Honestly, skirmish format is better, but it isn't what is keeping me out of Legion.

Like with X-Wing, which I stopped buying a little while after I started, the wacked out decision making of FFG of what to add to their Star Wars games and from where, makes all their games look less like Star Wars, and a lot more like somebody's personal game based loosely on Star Wars, even though the source of each miniatures comes from a book, or a video game, or somewhere.

Extended Universe people are the ones who seem to like this version of a Star Wars game the most. I personally can't stand it when I see what the games look like. I get the never ending release schedule as FFG tries to grab as much cash as it can from its game. That bothers me too, but less so, since I know they're looking to milk this like any other company does.

That's the problem I don't really see changing for me. Skirmish does help. But it's more that when I look at what FFG decided to put in its list, ships from esoteric books and video game for X wing, and units from those same things, it doesn't appeal.

15 hours ago, Squark said:

What's wrong with Imperial Assault for that?

Grid movement on boards instead of open movement with terrain has a bit of a different feel to it. I love Descent though, and am working towards collecting Imperial Assault for its Co-op play, however.

8 minutes ago, KelRiever said:

Honestly, skirmish format is better, but it isn't what is keeping me out of Legion.

Like with X-Wing, which I stopped buying a little while after I started, the wacked out decision making of FFG of what to add to their Star Wars games and from where, makes all their games look less like Star Wars, and a lot more like somebody's personal game based loosely on Star Wars, even though the source of each miniatures comes from a book, or a video game, or somewhere.

Extended Universe people are the ones who seem to like this version of a Star Wars game the most. I personally can't stand it when I see what the games look like. I get the never ending release schedule as FFG tries to grab as much cash as it can from its game. That bothers me too, but less so, since I know they're looking to milk this like any other company does.

That's the problem I don't really see changing for me. Skirmish does help. But it's more that when I look at what FFG decided to put in its list, ships from esoteric books and video game for X wing, and units from those same things, it doesn't appeal.

Uh... all of Legion's models thus far have been from films or TV shows. We're now getting a few things from Battlefront, but that's still very high profile for Star Wars.

Yes, that's true. But I'm sorry, when you pull from video games that are 20 years old and books nobody but us old fans have ever heard of, I'd call that pretty esoteric. And they are massively inconsistent too from where they decide to pull their releases.

By the way, this is not strictly FFG here, but I don't like the game at all the way it looks and plays now. First Order ships fighting Old Republic forces and nonsense like that.

FFG probably can't grab enough money from doing things like just sticking to the movies. That's fine. I'm just saying it isn't for me, and that's why I don't do Legion, it has nothing to do with Skirmish rules.

1 hour ago, Squark said:

Uh... all of Legion's models thus far have been from films or TV shows. We're now getting a few things from Battlefront, but that's still very high profile for Star Wars.

Isn't Sabine the only non-movie release? And technically she is in, her ship and name mentioned, the movies.

3 minutes ago, KelRiever said:

Yes, that's true. But I'm sorry, when you pull from video games that are 20 years old and books nobody but us old fans have ever heard of, I'd call that pretty esoteric. And they are massively inconsistent too from where they decide to pull their releases.

By the way, this is not strictly FFG here, but I don't like the game at all the way it looks and plays now. First Order ships fighting Old Republic forces and nonsense like that.

FFG probably can't grab enough money from doing things like just sticking to the movies. That's fine. I'm just saying it isn't for me, and that's why I don't do Legion, it has nothing to do with Skirmish rules.

At the tail end of X-Wing 1.0 then yes, I can see that point of view. K-Wings, E-Wings, Khiraxz fighters are all fairly obscure to casual fans. The game was really running out of steam as far as ship options went.

X-Wing 2.0 new releases have all been from movies or new TV shows. It seems like post Disney acquisition they are pivoting to make the game conform to the one new canon. Just look at Hyperspace format, its almost all canon ships from movies or popular TV shows.

As far as First Order fighting Republic. There isnt much you can do there. It would be lame if there was a rule that restricted what factions could fight each other. You'd show up to a game night and people would be like "Sorry we dont have compatible factions". When I play casually with my friends I will often choose my faction to be thematically appropriate to theirs.

Legion has the benefit of coming out post Disney acquisition, so it is all focused on the One True Canon centered around the movies and popular new TV shows and video games.

8 minutes ago, Cusm said:

Isn't Sabine the only non-movie release? And technically she is in, her ship and name mentioned, the movies.

When I was on my phone, I couldn't find the mention of the AT-RT appearing in RotS, so I thought that was video game and Clone Wars only. You are correct, Sabine is the only currently released model to lack a film appearance. I don't recall her name being mentioned, either; the ghost has gotten a couple cameos, but I don't think we've heard anyone talk about the Spectres yet.

1 minute ago, Squark said:

When I was on my phone, I couldn't find the mention of the AT-RT appearing in RotS, so I thought that was video game and Clone Wars only.

Forgot this one, it is in RotS for the Republic but never shown with the Rebellion. So two units not in the films exactly, pretty good for a Star Wars game. I have the same issue with X-Wing, I would go to tournaments and you would not know it was a Star Wars game based on models. And for years you would not find an actual X-Wing at an X-Wing tournament. Hopefully FFG goes slower with Legion and brings in EU and more obscure stuff slower.

19 minutes ago, Cusm said:

Forgot this one, it is in RotS for the Republic but never shown with the Rebellion. So two units not in the films exactly, pretty good for a Star Wars game. I have the same issue with X-Wing, I would go to tournaments and you would not know it was a Star Wars game based on models. And for years you would not find an actual X-Wing at an X-Wing tournament. Hopefully FFG goes slower with Legion and brings in EU and more obscure stuff slower.

Meanwhile you have people that say "I want Kyle Katarn and Mara Jade!"

So you cant please everyone

1 hour ago, Squark said:

When I was on my phone, I couldn't find the mention of the AT-RT appearing in RotS, so I thought that was video game and Clone Wars only.

Start at time index 2:14 >

It’s a Republic vehicle in the movie, so I’m sure Republic will get it soon. The rebellion has it now, cause they get all the old stuff no one wanted.😊

6 hours ago, Cusm said:

It is not dead, they stopped producing new physical content, but they just released new digital content within the last month with more in the works. But for skirmish (vs co-op) it is dead.

So for the purposes of this thread...it's dead.

I'd have loved a true set of skirmish rules for Legion, but I'm glad FFG is officially supporting the way many players have been enjoying the game.

2 hours ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

As far as First Order fighting Republic. There isnt much you can do there. It would be lame if there was a rule that restricted what factions could fight each other. You'd show up to a game night and people would be like "Sorry we dont have compatible factions". When I play casually with my friends I will often choose my faction to be thematically appropriate to theirs.

This deserves to be called out because it's so true. A rule forbidding certain factions from seeing the table against each other would be hugely detrimental to player choice (and for most, player experience as well). I play thematic games at home but I wouldn't expect that same standard to be upheld if I joined a public match at a game store or tournament. It simply doesn't make sense.

Not liking a game because you don't like or recognize some units is a terrible reason not to play. That's the equivalent of not liking on of the SW trilogies because they're not the same characters as in the last set of movies, or flying the same ships. If your problem is that the ones you like suck, and are auto-losses for you when playing against random fighter 1138, that's fine, but not that they are simply in the game.

And yes, I started playing X-Wing precisely because I knew what the E- and K-Wings were and loved that they were included in the game.

It's not 40k; without combining eras you don't get a reasonable amount of faction variety (which they keep trying to kill with symmetrical releases, but that's another thing).

On 11/22/2019 at 1:12 PM, Cusm said:

Isn't Sabine the only non-movie release? And technically she is in, her ship and name mentioned, the movies.

She isn’t mentioned in film. You’re thinking of Hera.

I would argue the basic rebel trooper unit is also non-movie release. It’s from the battlefront game, and we don’t see Rebels kitted that way - we see fleets, hoth troopers (veterans in game), and the commandos (SF). Also the Wookie warriors is a grey area - they look awesome and Wookies are iconic but the closest thing we have to them are RotS with the Kashyyyk battle.

On 11/22/2019 at 7:02 PM, KelRiever said:

Yes, that's true. But I'm sorry, when you pull from video games that are 20 years old and books nobody but us old fans have ever heard of, I'd call that pretty esoteric. And they are massively inconsistent too from where they decide to pull their releases.

By the way, this is not strictly FFG here, but I don't like the game at all the way it looks and plays now. First Order ships fighting Old Republic forces and nonsense like that.

FFG probably can't grab enough money from doing things like just sticking to the movies. That's fine. I'm just saying it isn't for me, and that's why I don't do Legion, it has nothing to do with Skirmish rules.

Pretty sure the vast majority of models/releases are all from the remakes of Battlefront and Battlefront 2 aren't they? Which are canon. So they're completely fair game (even if you haven't heard of them) and within the past 5 years and exposed to quite a good chunk of the fan base rather than the original lines/games? Like sure Thrawn isn't in Legion yet for example, but he is in the new books, he's in Rebels and will probably play a part in some other piece of the current EU.

"FFG probably can't grab enough money from doing things like just sticking to the movies" -- Playing Devils Advocate here since I definitely agree that money is obviously a huge part of it, BUT.....
It's more that you run out of things to do. GW encountered the same issues with the LoTR model line. There's only so much you can pull out of 10-20 hours of film outside of doing re-releases/poses. Like "HERE'S HOTH LUKE, HERE'S ENDOR LUKE, DEATH STAR LUKE, BESPIN LUKE" etc.

Star Wars is actually in quite a unique state(arguably a good one) currently because of the high profile games and shows being allowed into the actual canon, so we can pull from Rebels, Resistance (not a fan of it personally), The Clone Wars (I think it's canon as soon as the new season comes out?), and then Fallen Order/Battlefront 1/2.

Which all together, I'm super excited about honestly, as it'll give us room for SO MANY SKIRMISH OPTIONS.
Small little warbands, maybe someone will even develop something akin to Battle Companies from the Middle Earth SBG and you can run your own little narrative campaigns within the Star Wars universe, heck there's already so much of those extras/systems developed as part of the RPG's done by FFG.... (@devs, hint hint)

Star Warsmunda was definitely a missed opportunity...

Prequel trilogy, Clone Wars, Rebels, Solo, Rogue One, Original Trilogy, Sequel Trilogy, Mandalorian, countless books and comics. They are all Canon. They have a very large list of things to add to the game.

On 11/23/2019 at 7:40 AM, GreatMazinkaiser said:

It's not 40k; without combining eras you don't get a reasonable amount of faction variety (which they keep trying to kill with symmetrical releases, but that's another thing).

We don't even worry about combining eras in historicals! There's really no justification for my Pharonic period Egyptians fighting my friends Imperial Romans, except that they're both "ancients".

I think the problem of games "not looking like Star Wars" has more to do with number crunching the army lists. Make K-Wings or whatever, if people were a fan of that book or something. Rick Priestly I think, said in an interview that after many decades of game design, he realized that if he made a really balanced game it would be flavorless and boring, and points-buy systems will always get broken.

4 hours ago, Chudley said:

Prequel trilogy, Clone Wars, Rebels, Solo, Rogue One, Original Trilogy, Sequel Trilogy, Mandalorian, countless books and comics. They are all Canon. They have a very large list of things to add to the game.

And they haven't even sculpted the whole OT yet. This model line is very far from tapped out.

This new rule set means Gungans and Ewoks would be feasible.

Mandalorian death squads! Or all Bounty Hunter squads!