Prime Championships Data Collection 2019-2020 Season

By Truthiness, in Star Wars: Armada

8 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

Also keep in mind, it's 13% of Imperial winning lists. That 13% is comprised of literally one person: @Tokra. Like I said, it's very early to judge and the winner column makes for some funky numbers.

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

1 hour ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Or people know he's powerful, but don't want to win by abusing him.

Player were abusing squadrons, Rieekan, Raddus and Pryce all the time. And suddenly some might feel bad for using him? 😉🤪
Moralo is not this broken (was said all the time). He is easy to counter (was said all the time).

7 minutes ago, Tokra said:

Player were abusing squadrons, Rieekan, Raddus and Pryce all the time. And suddenly some might feel bad for using him? 😉🤪
Moralo is not this broken (was said all the time). He is easy to counter (was said all the time).

While I don’t disagree that there are answers to him, or that he’s a deeply flawed archetype in competitive situations, the answers to him are specific and require a high degree of commitment at the build stage (crazy bid, max squads, etc.) It’s the same problem with the SSD: another hurdle competitive fleets need to clear that ultimately discourages variety.

11 hours ago, Tokra said:

Player were abusing squadrons, Rieekan, Raddus and Pryce all the time. And suddenly some might feel bad for using him? 😉🤪

My point is that some people just want to play what's fun for them, and don't have the "win at all costs" mindset when fleet building. Everyone likes to win, but everyone has their own style too. 29% of players went with 0 squadrons. Are they all unaware that squads are powerful, or are they actively making a choice to play in a way that's enjoyable for them? (The data also shows that no squads can win too. Personally, I don't consider a Slicer Tools squadless Raddus list to be "abusing" the system.)

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10 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

While I don’t disagree that there are answers to him, or that he’s a deeply flawed archetype in competitive situations, the answers to him are specific and require a high degree of commitment at the build stage (crazy bid, max squads, etc.) It’s the same problem with the SSD: another hurdle competitive fleets need to clear that ultimately discourages variety.

He's being sarcastic. Tokra has been calling Moralo broken since day one.

12 hours ago, Tokra said:

Player were abusing squadrons, Rieekan, Raddus and Pryce all the time. And suddenly some might feel bad for using him? 😉🤪
Moralo is not this broken (was said all the time). He is easy to counter (was said all the time).

To be fair, I always said "I'll believe it when I see it." So far the only thing I'm willing to concede is we need to nerf you. But we already knew that :D

26 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

To be fair, I always said "I'll believe it when I see it." So far the only thing I'm willing to concede is we need to nerf you. But we already knew that :D

To quote Mike Polk, "it's like they're not even playing the same sport!"

I got @GiledPallaeon's winning list from Roseville, but don't have anything else quite yet from yesterday.

I emailed all the lists from Florida to @geek19. Let me know if I missed any or there are any issues.

1 hour ago, Truthiness said:

I got @GiledPallaeon's winning list from Roseville, but don't have anything else quite yet from yesterday.

@Alzer has all of them and will post them when he gets the chance.

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Good deal guys! No hurry.

6 hours ago, Truthiness said:

Good deal guys! No hurry.

STOP RUSHING ME!!!

On 12/6/2019 at 5:56 AM, Rimsen said:

Unfortunately, no. Maybe the organizer? @Wawa666

Dawid Czartoszewski I belive but can't check it now...

EDIT: 5th place Sebastian Bogusz

7th place Bartłomiej Kostuch

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@Truthiness I may be blind. But I don’t see anything SSD related. Title/command or prototype build.

13 hours ago, Packerman29 said:

@Truthiness I may be blind. But I don’t see anything SSD related. Title/command or prototype build.

They're there. Ravager+H9+QTC is being tracked under "RHQ" in upgrades (row 321). At the moment none of the other titles seem concerning. Both the Assault and the Command are being tracked by name, like all the ships (rows 167-169).

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On an unrelated note, the London, UK Prime is happening 4-5 January.

I'm sure we'll try to get the lists, but it may depend on how many people there are, and if anyone gets a bye.

Hey all! Played in the Florida Prime last weekend. Finished 10th with 18 points, here was my list:

Name: T - One Two Punch
Faction: Rebel
Commander: Admiral Raddus

Assault: Most Wanted
Defense: Hyperspace Assault
Navigation: Superior Positions

MC75 Ordnance Cruiser (100)
• Ordnance Experts (4)
• Electronic Countermeasures (7)
• External Racks (3)
• Assault Proton Torpedoes (5)
• Aspiration (3)
= 122 Points

Hammerhead Torpedo Corvette (36)
• Admiral Raddus (26)
= 62 Points

GR-75 Medium Transports (18)
• Bomber Command Center (8)
= 26 Points

GR-75 Medium Transports (18)
• Toryn Farr (7)
= 25 Points

Hammerhead Torpedo Corvette (36)
• External Racks (3)
= 39 Points

Squadrons:
• YT-1300 (13)
• Wedge Antilles (19)
• Dutch Vander (16)
• Lando Calrissian (23)
• Dash Rendar (24)
• Biggs Darklighter (19)
• Gold Squadron (12)
= 126 Points

Total Points: 400

Hopefully someone else can get you more lists from Florida, @CommanderDave might be able to help with that.

Jamie got Minnesota done.

I sent the images to @geek19, but I might have some time this afternoon and tomorrow for data entry if you guys want to pass permission my way.

I'll try to gather Madrid this Saturday.

It's already amazing we got full data of one tournament in Spain and I'm gonna try to bring every Prime here.

Btw, @Truthiness I have no idea at all how the sheet works so forgive my ignorance: I don't know how the data go from the tournament sheet to the general sheet but if it is something automatised, would it be hard to get data filtered by country?

Just curious, it seems we're gonna have a nice Prime Season here.

1 hour ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I'll try to gather Madrid this Saturday.

It's already amazing we got full data of one tournament in Spain and I'm gonna try to bring every Prime here.

Btw, @Truthiness I have no idea at all how the sheet works so forgive my ignorance: I don't know how the data go from the tournament sheet to the general sheet but if it is something automatised, would it be hard to get data filtered by country?

Just curious, it seems we're gonna have a nice Prime Season here.

Filtering by country would be rough for me to add. The first sheet with the percentiles is fully automated with formulas. The only thing I update throughout the season is the second sheet (barring an error, as we've seen). If you want to figure out what is specific for Spain, I would recommend you make a copy at the end of the season, go into the second sheet, and then remove any non-Spanish tournaments.

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I've got all lists from Madrid's Prime Championship. Because of some issues with the software the classification may wait awhile.

I'll post all the info ASAP.

On 12/10/2019 at 1:58 AM, Grumbleduke said:

On an unrelated note, the London, UK Prime is happening 4-5 January.

I'm sure we'll try to get the lists, but it may depend on how many people there are, and if anyone gets a bye.

Still a crap day to host it. Do they really expect a good turnout for a two day event on the first weekend of january.

All the data for the Massachusetts Prime has been posted, please let me know if anything else is required...

Hey @Truthiness, I'm local to the Florida Prime and the organizer still has the lists if they need a resend. Just let me know what format you prefer.