I got Edmonton in today as well.
Prime Championships Data Collection 2019-2020 Season
Chicago is entered
Oh wow so Rebels can win! But only in Canada it seems...
Who were the winners?
2 hours ago, Zamalekite said:Oh wow so Rebels can win! But only in Canada it seems...
Anyone know if any of the Krakow lists showed up anywhere? It's a Grand instead of a Prime, but it still provides a snapshot of the current high-level meta.
**Correction 2** So uh...nobody seems to know who did the input for Toronto. Maybe @jamie nasmyth?
Edited by TruthinessThe Polish Grand's organizer shared the fleets with the Hungarian group:
5 hours ago, Rimsen said:The Polish Grand's organizer shared the fleets with the Hungarian group:
That's very interesting! Last year Polish Nationals were dominated by squads. This year there were only 21 squads in the top 8 fleets. Quite a few squadless fleets doing well
And great to see another double Neb B fleet in 4th 
39 minutes ago, Zamalekite said:That's very interesting! Last year Polish Nationals were dominated by squads. This year there were only 21 squads in the top 8 fleets. Quite a few squadless fleets doing well
And great to see another double Neb B fleet in 4th
The double Neb was not 4th 😁. It was 10th.
4th place was the single SSD with squadrons.
The top 8 (7th is double in the list, 5th is missing) had a total of 35 squadrons, with an average of 71.6 points.
I would still call this squadron heavy 😉. 3 fleets had no or min. squadrons (2 times 0, 1 time random TIE fighter). The remaining fleets had an average of 113 points.
7th is double, this is why 5th was missing
55 minutes ago, Tokra said:The double Neb was not 4th 😁. It was 10th.
4th place was the single SSD with squadrons.The top 8 (7th is double in the list, 5th is missing) had a total of 35 squadrons, with an average of 71.6 points.
I would still call this squadron heavy 😉. 3 fleets had no or min. squadrons (2 times 0, 1 time random TIE fighter). The remaining fleets had an average of 113 points.
Ah doh, I thought the list on Warlords was in order. Missed the "place"in the title. So not as different from previous year as I thought!
On 12/4/2019 at 1:42 AM, Truthiness said:Anyone know if any of the Krakow lists showed up anywhere? It's a Grand instead of a Prime, but it still provides a snapshot of the current high-level meta.
Polish Grands were in Warsaw not Krakow (Euros were in Krakow tho).
Just for clarity 
@Truthiness on the Google sheet in the Imperial Commander section it looks like Emperor Palpatine is missing.
1 hour ago, xero989 said:@Truthiness on the Google sheet in the Imperial Commander section it looks like Emperor Palpatine is missing.
Yup, definitely is. I'll get it.
12 hours ago, Oldpara said:Polish Grands were in Warsaw not Krakow (Euros were in Krakow tho).
Just for clarity
Doh /facepalm
On 12/4/2019 at 12:07 AM, Rimsen said:The Polish Grand's organizer shared the fleets with the Hungarian group:
5th place is missing and there are two 7th place lists. Any idea which one was actually 5th?
Emperor fixed (I...uh...think? Nobody's taking him) and just noticed that @CyborgNinja beat me to the Warsaw data, even addressing my confusion with the placing.
Edited by TruthinessSo, if I'm reading that right...Moralo Eval spam has only been taken 3 times, resulting in 1st and 8th place in Germany, and 2nd place in Alberta?
So 100% of the lists taking him are top-8 placement?
Uhhh...that's...not bad. I mean, it's bad, but also...LOL.
8 minutes ago, xanderf said:So, if I'm reading that right...Moralo Eval spam has only been taken 3 times, resulting in 1st and 8th place in Germany, and 2nd place in Alberta?
So 100% of the lists taking him are top-8 placement?
Uhhh...that's...not bad. I mean, it's bad, but also...LOL.
I've been considering a Moralo tracker since he has the potential to be a problem. I might well do so since I'm sitting around waiting at a pharmacy.
Edited by Truthiness10 hours ago, Truthiness said:5th place is missing and there are two 7th place lists. Any idea which one was actually 5th?
Unfortunately, no. Maybe the organizer? @Wawa666
13 hours ago, xanderf said:So, if I'm reading that right...Moralo Eval spam has only been taken 3 times, resulting in 1st and 8th place in Germany, and 2nd place in Alberta?
So 100% of the lists taking him are top-8 placement?
Uhhh...that's...not bad. I mean, it's bad, but also...LOL.
12 hours ago, Truthiness said:I've been considering a Moralo tracker since he has the potential to be a problem. I might well do so since I'm sitting around waiting at a pharmacy.
I have got a problem. I'm in between of taking the fleet I want to play (double Cymoon with dictor) and the fleet I don't want to be played (Moralo's taxi business).
These are two things I want to proof. If Moralo is broken or not. And if my lovely fleet is as good as I think.
15 hours ago, Truthiness said:5th place is missing and there are two 7th place lists. Any idea which one was actually 5th?
Sebastian B (Imperial Jerjerrod) was 5th, Bartek K (Rebel) is true 7.
1 hour ago, ovinomanc3r said:
I have got a problem. I'm in between of taking the fleet I want to play (double Cymoon with dictor) and the fleet I don't want to be played (Moralo's taxi business).
These are two things I want to proof. If Moralo is broken or not. And if my lovely fleet is as good as I think.
The tracker for Moralo is up and running.
8 hours ago, Truthiness said:The tracker for Moralo is up and running.
It's interesting that it shows how powerful Moralo is, but that nobody seems to know it yet.
IE., 13% of winning lists have him, but only 3% of all lists brought him? I expect to see that number start to climb pretty quickly...
3 hours ago, xanderf said:It's interesting that it shows how powerful Moralo is, but that nobody seems to know it yet.
IE., 13% of winning lists have him, but only 3% of all lists brought him? I expect to see that number start to climb pretty quickly...
I say this every year, but it's worth saying again: I don't put much stock in the winners column. In three round tournaments, which most Primes tend to be, matchups matter a lot. 1st and 2nd place are usually separated by very few tournament points. I put more faith in the top 10% bracket, which includes a larger sample of the truly high performing lists.
Moralo is only at 8% in that bracket. Part of that is the Edmonton #2 who had extremely favorable matchups (because of how their standings were printed, I was able to figure how who played who for the most part). The only other list is Dennis. And well... it's Dennis. At this point, all I'm really willing to conclude is that Dennis is a magic Armada wizard that makes wierd **** work.
In general, I wouldn't make many conclusions this early. The early trends of last season changed a fair amount toward the latter half. There are some big metas coming up in the next few weeks that are a bit more plugged in to the online Moralo discussion. I'd be curious to see if he pops up there and how well he does.
3 hours ago, xanderf said:It's interesting that it shows how powerful Moralo is, but that nobody seems to know it yet.
Or people know he's powerful, but don't want to win by abusing him.
Also keep in mind, it's 13% of Imperial winning lists. That 13% is comprised of literally one person: @Tokra. Like I said, it's very early to judge and the winner column makes for some funky numbers.
Edited by Truthiness