A Compact weapon halves the range, the clip size and -1 to damage. Can one buy a Compact weapon with a Fire Selector, with the weapon still remaining Compact? And How about Silencer & Red-Dot Laser Sight to boot?

Jan Solo said:

What I meant to ask with the above is this: If you buy the Compact upgrade for a weapon, will it still remain Compact even if you pile every single available weapon upgrade on top of that, for example Silencer, Red-Dot Laser Sight, Fire Selector(increasing ammo capacity above the original levels), Targeter and let's say Twin-Linked too? All/Most of these upgrades increase the weight of the weapon, and even if you halve the weight increase, extending the effect of Compact to the other upgrades, it is still easy to surpass the original weight of the weapon before the Compact upgrade. For example:

Hand Cannon 3.5kg

- Compact (halves weight to 1.75kg)

- Red-Dot Laser Sight (0.5kg, or +0.25kg if Compact halves the weight of other upgrades)

- Silencer (+0.5kg or +0.25kg)

- Fire Selector (+0.5kg or +0.25kg)

- Targeter (+1.5kg or +0.75kg)

Now the weight of the Compact Hand Cannon is either 4.75kg or 3.25kg if the GM is generous and halves the weight of the other upgrades too. Can that Hand Cannon still be called Compact? And when Twin-Linked is added, the weight goes up even more, certainly above the original non-Compact 3.5kg. And one could also make each of the three clips Fire Selector provides into Duplus clips, so the Compact Hand Cannon will have (2.5 x 3)x2 bullets in it, either 18 if you round 2.5 up or 12 if you round it down; way more that the original 5 in non-Compact Hand Cannon. I don't know, perhaps I am being too anal about all this, but I would love to hear from anyone else who has run into this and has thought it might be a problem and what solutions were adopted etc

My opinion: of course you can do all those things! There's no reason you couldn't have a tiny gun with obnoxious amounts of add-ons and other crap dangling off it. I'm not sure I'd halve the weight of the upgrades too, but maybe for some of them I would.

The important point to remember is: Compact doesn't provide a single in-game benefit, other than lower weight. The entry says "favoured by those who prefer concealment over stopping power." For this single line of text with no in-game effect, you halve your clip and reduce your damage by 1. This means that the GM is in no way constrained to a particular effect of it's easier "concealment."

And no good GM would rule that with twin-linked, three clips coming off at odd directions, a laser sight, etc. etc. a weapon like that could be easily concealed by any stretch of the imagination.

Basically what I'm saying is, sure, you can do it. But all you've got is a weaker version of the same weapon that you paid more for and does nothing special.

Compact is only bought for the item. It's not a free upgrade to every attachment. I would make you buy compact on every attachment if you are looking to cut the items weight.
Remember that the Fire Selector will be added after the clip is cut in half by Compact. So if your clip was 10, with compact it's 5, and with the addition of a fire selector you would have a clip of 5/5/5.

Adding a Fire Selector, Targeter, or Silencer to a compact pistol will remove any willingness from me, as GM, to grant any concealment bonus. Twin linked would do the same in my game. I would also put a Str requirement on a twin linked hand canon, as it is they require two hands to fire.

Remember you can only have one sight attached to a weapon. So no you can't have a Red Dot and a Targeter and if memory serves you need to take another look at what a Duplus clip does, I think you might be confused.