@RyantheFett asked what stuff I like. I'll add to that list the Star Wars Lego cartoons. They're pretty good for what they're supposed to be. There's no real stories per se, but they're funny enough for the grownups and the kids like them. There's also a lot of characters and places my kids want to know about (but they can't grok the feature length films) and the Lego shows give a lot of good cameos and side-stories about them.

I can't stream the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon on Disney+, apparently. So I will be unable to give them a chance and get back to people. Also I probably won't subscribe for a full year after all. Like @Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun I will just do enough weeks to watch The Mandalorian and decide if I want the DVD. Signs point to 'yes'. Second episode was good. Watching that show with the English subtitles on is rewarding.

• The 2003 Clone Wars is very strange animal. They have parts I really like and parts I really do not like. If you even seen Samurai Jack you know what it will be like. The one thing I found in the show that always annoyed me were the power levels. Jedi could fight entire droid armies with their bare hands. Grievous was great thought especially with how Lucas treated him in the movie and 2008 TV show.
• 2008 Clone Wars starts off slow, but man by the end it was one of the best thing Star Wars you could find. Rex, Ahsoka, Hando, and Cad Bane all became some of my favorite Star Wars peeps.
• Rebels is good. The first season sort of sucks, but it really picks up once they leave that **** planet. By the end it is a good show, but I found it worrying that Hondo, Ahsoka, Rex, and Thrawn were the best parts of this series. Hera and Sabine grew on me tho.
• Resistance is a......thing. I am waiting for the series to finish before I make a judgment call. It may do so major stuff for the lore, but I think it was just a test to see if they could get away with a kid show with no real big canon events. At least they hint that the Colossus will be in 9 (the Ghost from Rebels is right there in the trailer as well!).
• The Mandorlain seems like its off to a good start and people seem to like the first two episodes. Will be intersting to see where it takes us with both the story and future TV shows.

OH! fun fact Dooku 1 pip is stright up from the 2003 show! I know it is not canon, but I can you can imply it happened since Dooku did train Grievous. This is a pretty good scene as well.

If u want to watch the 2003 clone wars cartoon it's all on YouTube.

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

I can't stream the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon on Disney+, apparently. So I will be unable to give them a chance and get back to people

8 minutes ago, lunitic501 said:

If u want to watch the 2003 clone wars cartoon it's all on YouTube.

This or ask one of our less... virtuous... members here who have the dvds to send a copy for lend.

Like @RyantheFett said, they're a very strange animal. I think they're worth seeing at least once. I like Genndy Tartakovsky's art style though. Especially his use (or lack there of) of dialogue.

I think Disney (and Lucas during the The Clone Wars cartoon) have preferred to pretend Tartakovsky's work doesn't exist (for no clear reason)

Star Wars cartoons? Do you mean Droids? or Ewoks?

Unpopular opinion: I despised the Tartakovsky Clone Wars cartoon.

Even more unpopular opinion: I think Durge is one of the reasons I hated it so much.

We still have Kenobi coming too. Can’t wait!! 😬 😍 🤩 🥳

Good assessment of the 2003 CW animated. It does have some great parts and some really bad parts, but overall it’s entertaining (if you don’t worry too much about realty or what it would be like in real life - that’s what the movies are for). I just wish they would have done Ventress’ scene where she meets Dooku in the 2008 CW animated. It’s an important part of her backstory we never get to see. I don’t know how to do the “spoiler” button thing or I’d explain further (some people haven’t seen either animated program yet... I know, shocker, right? 😁 ).

30 minutes ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

Unpopular opinion: I despised the Tartakovsky Clone Wars cartoon.

Even more unpopular opinion: I think Durge is one of the reasons I hated it so much.

That’s fair. 😌 I liked it, but I can understand why someone would hate it. Like I said, you kinda just have to not think too much when you watch it. That’s how I normally am, so it’s easy. 😏 🤪

8 hours ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

Unpopular opinion: I despised the Tartakovsky Clone Wars cartoon.

Even more unpopular opinion: I think Durge is one of the reasons I hated it so much.

I'm not the biggest fan of the series (especially the second season/part, with the odd Anakin story), but overall its not bad. The Muunilinst 10 part is my favorite of the entire show, but other parts are worth it. (armored Kenobi for instance)

I hated Durge during the first watch, and honestly the first decade after his character was introduced, but I actually wouldn't mind seeing him come back. The idea of an over the top villain with a grudge against the Jedi and Mandalorians being able to ignore lightsaber blows and take hits left and right is cool, especially if he isn't used in every story. And besides, his death has got to be the most over the top Anakin kill ever.

For those that are interested, all episodes and both seasons have been combined here:

Hopefully this isn't against any rules or such.

And it is interesting to see elements of this show reintroduced back into canon, be it indirectly (we never see Ventress and Anakin/Obi-Wan's first meeting, so something had to have happened), or implied. (Anakin being Knighted, the first appearance of Grievous). Even things that have changed still use elements from this show (besides various ships this show introduced later used in TCW, Ventress and Dooku's first meeting is at a gladiatorial arena, but the details of the meeting are different)

Ventress's ship and the Azure Angel would definitely be something they should've put into X-wing (even if it was just an alt scheme for the Aethersprite)

I can’t stand to look at the ‘08 CW, or Rebels, for more than half an episode. The polygon animation is not my thing.

The tendency of Lucas and Disney to re-write the history of the movies and shows is disturbing.

27 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

The tendency of Lucas and Disney to re-write the history of the movies and shows is disturbing.

Wish I would have been more active with Star Wars when George Lucas did the 2008 Clone Wars. That show straight up destroyed dozen of books, comics, video games, and even the 2003 TV show. My friend did not take it well and still despises Lucas for that move. I think it was made even worse when the Clone Wars eventually got good AND it was the only thing that became part of the Disney canon.

I loved Rebels. 😁

19 hours ago, RyantheFett said:

Wish I would have been more active with Star Wars when George Lucas did the 2008 Clone Wars. That show straight up destroyed dozen of books, comics, video games, and even the 2003 TV show. My friend did not take it well and still despises Lucas for that move. I think it was made even worse when the Clone Wars eventually got good AND it was the only thing that became part of the Disney canon.

It was frustrating, and was one of the factors that caused me to walk away from SW for a while. Most of the CW books weren't amazing (the Republic Commandos , Shatterpoint books , and Labyrinth of Evil are good, but everything else seems to drop off), but the Dark Horse Clone Wars comics are outstanding. I still recommend them for anyone wanting a more serious, darker take on the Clone Wars. Its always funny that a lot of prequel Jedi haters will talk about how stupid the Jedi were, or how morally bankrupt they must have been to fight in the war, and use "slave" soldiers, but these issues are all addressed in the comics, usually by the Jedi themselves. Just like in reality, the comics show how characters can be swept up in events and feel they have no choice but to continue on. TCW never gave us that nuance.

To be fair though, TCW didn't, at least originally, destroy all that much. It didn't "get stuff right" but the major issue was the time line, and fitting everything in. Anakin's early knighthood, for instance, really throws a monkey wrench into the works, even before he picks up a Padawan. It would have been interesting to see a revised timeline after the show ended that reshuffled most of the other stories to fit within the new timeline; things like the 2003 show would still largely fit, as would many of the books and comics, at least if they were bumped up by several months/years. Some major changes would be problematic, but those vary in scope. Quinlain Vos's character was just... off in TCW , and the ultimate fate of both Vos and Ventress in Dark Disciple really screws with both of their EU stories. I don't hate Dark Disciple, but it's definitely second best to the Dark Horse stories it was based on. Not everything was bad, however; Karen Traviss might not like it, but the new take on Mandalore was superior to her vision of a warrior utopia, and offered more interesting story-telling potential.

I am a fan of the new mandalore as well. Modern progressive pacifists that have lost touch with their own culture and a faction of ultra traditionalists that want to go back to the old ways. From watching the mandalorian, it makes me think that there may have been a big part of the population caught in between that still held to many of the old ways but were not violent terrorists. I also really liked the idea that obi wan did have a love interest and that his criticism of anakins feelings for padme were partly from being in denial about his own feelings.

I want a Star Wars show or even theatrical movie that explores other genres. Doing this Western is a good start, I hope they keep it up with Cassian Andor spy show and maybe making Obi-Wan's show a drama, not an action show.

@devin.pike.1989 A Star Wars cop show could be great.

The Moff is breathing down my neck on this one McKlunky!

You're off the case McKlunky, it's too personal!

[gavel slams] Detective McKlunky, you are out of order!

Boba Fett and Dengar doing Bad Boys II in space would be even better but apparently r-rated movies are against the spirit of Star Wars somehow...

(Don't ask me how Boba Fett's straight man plays against Dengar's even straighter man)

1 hour ago, GreatMazinkaiser said:

Boba Fett and Dengar doing Bad Boys II in space would be even better but apparently r-rated movies are against the spirit of Star Wars somehow...

(Don't ask me how Boba Fett's straight man plays against Dengar's even straighter man)

Or they could do a re-make of The Odd Couple . I guess if Dengar is the even straighter man that makes him Felix.

How about a show about a swoop bike gang? "The Sons of Anakin". Maybe a show about rebel partizans in their early days just trying to make it in the competituve world of rebel cells. "Better Call Saw".

On ‎11‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 12:12 AM, devin.pike.1989 said:

Unpopular opinion: I despised the Tartakovsky Clone Wars cartoon.

Even more unpopular opinion: I think Durge is one of the reasons I hated it so much.

I thought Durge was okay in the cartoon. It was in the Clone Wars comic that I fell in love with him. In the comics, he didn't die in the cartoon. It was actually really interesting to see what they ended up doing with an unkillable character.

1 hour ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

How about a show about a swoop bike gang? "The Sons of Anakin". Maybe a show about rebel partizans in their early days just trying to make it in the competituve world of rebel cells. "Better Call Saw".

That does it McKlunky! I need your badge and your gun! You're going on administrative leave until further notice!

Or a show about stormtroopers trying to keep order in an increasingly chaotic world!

2 hours ago, Darth 2Face said:

On 11/16/2019 at 1:12 AM, devin.pike.1989 said:

Unpopular opinion: I despised the Tartakovsky Clone Wars cartoon.

Even more unpopular opinion: I think Durge is one of the reasons I hated it so much.

I thought Durge was okay in the cartoon. It was in the Clone Wars comic that I fell in love with him. In the comics, he didn't die in the cartoon. It was actually really interesting to see what they ended up doing with an unkillable character.

That first Clone Wars show feels like it was made for Youtube. It has a ton of great scenes, but also a lot of bad scenes that people hate. Youtube a few scenes and you are good. For example: pretty much anything with Grievous is great to watch, but some Ani episodes just really suck.

I was in the camp that thought Durge was fine and his fight scenes pretty cool. The comics did have him do some crazy stuff that was really dark iirc. For me I truly hated how OP some of the Jedi were like Mace Windu when he took on an entire army without a lightsaber.

20 hours ago, RyantheFett said:

For me I truly hated how OP some of the Jedi were like Mace Windu when he took on an entire army without a lightsaber.

I always liked the idea that the Mace Windu story was actually the little girl's perceptions of the battle, and not what actually occurred. That's why Mace was so over powered and wrecked shop, because to the mind of a child, a Jedi Master in full combat mode was essentially a super hero.