2 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Makes sense, and it's fair. Generally speaking, though, he's recognizable enough to many through his brief but memorable role on Game of Thrones (enough so that his interview with Andi Gutierrez on The Star Wars Show referenced that character's fate and tied it in to wearing a helmet this time around 🤣). Heck...before The Mandalorian was even announced, I swiped his GoT look for a potential character in an Age of Rebellion campaign. He's not a huge name, but a big enough one, I'd say, that there were basic expectations of what he looks like under the helmet.

Huh. Maybe that's why. I never watched Game of Thrones, nor did any of my friends, so I wasn't really seeing anything about it.

2 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

I assumed it was Death Watch that saved him, but he wasn't raised by them. Maybe they delivered him to the tribe/clan we see, or something else happened.

Reasonable. Since he didn't have a signet, that seems to indicate he wasn't part of a clan. (The Armorer declaring him and Li'l Yoyo a "clan of two" with his new signet makes it sound like foundlings are part of the clan that raises them, at least until they swear to the Creed.)

1 minute ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Huh. Maybe that's why. I never watched Game of Thrones, nor did any of my friends, so I wasn't really seeing anything about it.

Kingsman: The Golden Circle, maybe? He was Whiskey in that. He's also Maxwell Lord in the upcoming Wonder Xena sequel.

Just now, Nytwyng said:

Reasonable. Since he didn't have a signet, that seems to indicate he wasn't part of a clan. (The Armorer declaring him and Li'l Yoyo a "clan of two" with his new signet makes it sound like foundlings are part of the clan that raises them, at least until they swear to the Creed.)

I imagine Season 2 will likely delve more into his time as a Foundling, especially since he now can impart that experience on to the Child.

3 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

I assumed it was Death Watch that saved him, but he wasn't raised by them. Maybe they delivered him to the tribe/clan we see, or something else happened.

That would make sense since the Death Watch isn't a proper clan itself. Its more of a paramilitary / terrorist / private military unit. They would have no place for foundlings. Members who saved a foundling would have to find them a home. Probably their own clan, but maybe the clan of a fellow member.

Props to Episode 8 and the series overall. Very well done.

45 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

I wonder if Din will go by Din now, or continue to go by Mando?

I suspect, at this point, that the only people who might call him that are Cara and Greef.

No one else, aside from the people in the room when he received his signet, have even heard it.

And, with the exception Mandos he meets in the future, I doubt he'll make it known.

1 minute ago, Vondy said:

I suspect, at this point, that the only person who might call him that is Cara.

No one else, aside from the people in the room when he received his signet, have even heard it.

And, with the exception Mandos he meets in the future, I doubt he'll make it known.

Greef might, but he's one of those people who might use it when he really needs something from him and would get the "shh, don't say that so loud" reaction.

2 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

Greef might, but he's one of those people who might use it when he really needs something from him and would get the "shh, don't say that so loud" reaction.

I was editing it to add Greef when you beat me to the punch with this!

25 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Kingsman: The Golden Circle, maybe? He was Whiskey in that. He's also Maxwell Lord in the upcoming Wonder Xena sequel.

The only other media I am familiar with him from is Wonder Woman 84 (which looks really good by the way. I'm a sucker for [well done] music-dubbed action scenes, but man that looks good). My tastes in Movies/TV are pretty selective. Over the past couple years, I've watched Star Wars, 1 or 2 Marvel movies, the classic Spiderman, and Air Force One with Han So- ermm... Harrison So- Grr. Harrison Ford (sorry buddy ). Oh, and Indiana Jones.

To sum it up, Star Wars, a couple Marvel, and some Harrison Ford.

1 hour ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

The main question regarding Death Watch is that the customs then seem to contradict what we've seen in other Canon sources. I was sort of expecting that it would be another Mandalorian group that had a more stringent version of the code, a Mandalorian group we haven't seen before. Making it Death Watch leaves some timing difficulties with the other Canon sources.

Death Watch was a political movement that violently opposed Satine's pacifist regime. Death Watch seems to have stopped existing somewhere around the end of the Clone Wars. But that doesn't mean the people making up the organisation stopped existing.

One of the members of the Covert, the one played by Jon Favreau, was called Paz Vizla.

As for differences in customs, being driven from Mandalore and being nearly extinct seems to have caused this particular group to take their code a lot more seriously than they did before.

43 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

The only other media I am familiar with him from is Wonder Woman 84 (which looks really good by the way. I'm a sucker for [well done] music-dubbed action scenes, but man that looks good). My tastes in Movies/TV are pretty selective. Over the past couple years, I've watched Star Wars, 1 or 2 Marvel movies, the classic Spiderman, and Air Force One with Han So- ermm... Harrison So- Grr. Harrison Ford (sorry buddy ). Oh, and Indiana Jones.

To sum it up, Star Wars, a couple Marvel, and some Harrison Ford.

Hope you enjoy WW84. As a lifelong comics and DC fan, I'm definitely not on board with the current franchise. Only made it halfway through the first (so-called) WW movie, and this one doesn't instill me with confidence either. But, these things are cyclical. Sooner or later, they'll relaunch the franchise, and hopefully I'll find something to like in it.

Coincidentally, though, while participating in this and a couple other threads earlier today, I had the TV tuned to the Paramount network and Air Force One, starring (as David Letterman routinely referred to him during the movie's release) Harrison Ford - @$$-Kicking President. 🤣

37 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

Death Watch was a political movement that violently opposed Satine's pacifist regime. Death Watch seems to have stopped existing somewhere around the end of the Clone Wars. But that doesn't mean the people making up the organisation stopped existing.

True. We have canon sources that tell us how it splintered and, in most cases, changed.

Rebels: Gar Saxon, one of the leaders of the Deathwatch, was the Imperial viceroy of Mandalore and turned his loyalist super-commandos into his personal force of Imperial-branded enforcers.

Rebels: Sabine's interactions with her family indicate some clans involved with the Death Watch still held out hope but didn't believe they could successfully remove Gar Saxon.

Rebels: Bo-Katan and her loyalists are still wearing the Deathwatch colors and sigil, but have effectively become a resistance movement in exile.

Battlefront II: Twilight Company: A group of deathwatch dissidents who refused follow Saxon or Bo-Katan settled on Ankhural and still

I had to check the "new canon" novel list to verify that last one.

6 hours ago, LordBritish said:

Ahhh, hadn’t thought of it that way. Droids do have a interesting way of thinking.

and ehh; the emperor being the dragon makes sense. He isn’t meant to be a redeemable villain like Vader, or a complex anti-villain like Kylo-Ren who feels the dark side is his only refuge, or even an anti-hero like Luke (ep8) or Han who needs their arm twisting to take action. The Emperor is a pure campy evil character who doesn’t undergo character arcs like every other softer sod, his character and motivation never changes no matter what movie you look at, he literally exists to do cool evil stuff with absolutely confidence only to crumble in the face of absolute good. The only thing that really changed was his methods; in the PT he didn’t really have the power he wanted so we got to see how he got there in the first place. And that is AWESOME because not every villain needs to be complex, Ultron in the MCU was a fine example of how complicating a villain can actually make them much less impactful.

There’s a reason why Disney villains of the older movies stick out to us so much, it’s fun to watch them crush the heroes with such confidence because when the tables turns its entertaining to watch that confidence crumble. It’s why recent super villains tend to be bleh, they are obsessed with making them relatable when they don’t have to be.

Exactly.

1 hour ago, micheldebruyn said:

Death Watch was a political movement that violently opposed Satine's pacifist regime. Death Watch seems to have stopped existing somewhere around the end of the Clone Wars. But that doesn't mean the people making up the organisation stopped existing.

One of the members of the Covert, the one played by Jon Favreau, was called Paz Vizla.

As for differences in customs, being driven from Mandalore and being nearly extinct seems to have caused this particular group to take their code a lot more seriously than they did before.

House Viszla also pretty much ran Death Watch, though it did include members from pretty much every house and clan.

28 minutes ago, Vondy said:

True. We have canon sources that tell us how it splintered and, in most cases, changed.

Rebels: Gar Saxon, one of the leaders of the Deathwatch, was the Imperial viceroy of Mandalore and turned his loyalist super-commandos into his personal force of Imperial-branded enforcers.

Rebels: Sabine's interactions with her family indicate some clans involved with the Death Watch still held out hope but didn't believe they could successfully remove Gar Saxon.

Rebels: Bo-Katan and her loyalists are still wearing the Deathwatch colors and sigil, but have effectively become a resistance movement in exile.

Battlefront II: Twilight Company: A group of deathwatch dissidents who refused follow Saxon or Bo-Katan settled on Ankhural and still

I had to check the "new canon" novel list to verify that last one.

Niiiice.

Hot take: I think the Armourer lied to Mando, that the coven was not in fact wiped out but instead they all just abandoned their armour and blended into the crowd. She stayed behind to melt the beskar back into bars to make it all easier to transport before establishing a new base of operations. The "true Mandalorians" could have been not telling the founding the whole truth the entire time. "Never take off your helmet...unless it is the bug out plan since we all just look like Joe Schmos nobody would ever recognise since we never show our faces"

She said they were killed by Imperials and a few made it off world. I think that caveat is CYA in case he encounters more elsewhere.

The armour in the pile looked undamaged, hers looked pristine and well, our main character is nothing special for a Mandalorian. He killed dozens of storm troopers on his own yet we are meant to believe a whole platoon of Mandalorians didn't just use a storm trooper battalion on their own turf as target practice? There was no hill of bodies, no pyres of dead Imperials so yeah I think she was lying.

Plus we see her kill half a dozen storm troopers with just a hammer. If she had a pistol, she could take out a whole star destroyers worth at that rate.

This is the way...from a certain point of view.

Eh, I don't think so. It seems way out of character, and nothing has led anyone to believe they wouldn't have been telling the truth about the helmet. Even Omera seemed to have some idea of it - I've seen theories she was a Mando once, or at least is familiar enough with that custom to understand what taking the helmet off means.

The only reason he was even able to overcome the Death Troopers was because IG-11 showed up - I could see them having ambushed/surprised the Mandos and been able to make short work of them.

They did it once before, obviously, with the razing of Mandalore.

10 minutes ago, DarkHorse said:

Hot take: I think the Armourer lied to Mando, that the coven was not in fact wiped out but instead they all just abandoned their armour and blended into the crowd. She stayed behind to melt the beskar back into bars to make it all easier to transport before establishing a new base of operations. The "true Mandalorians" could have been not telling the founding the whole truth the entire time. "Never take off your helmet...unless it is the bug out plan since we all just look like Joe Schmos nobody would ever recognise since we never show our faces"

She said they were killed by Imperials and a few made it off world. I think that caveat is CYA in case he encounters more elsewhere.

The armour in the pile looked undamaged, hers looked pristine and well, our main character is nothing special for a Mandalorian. He killed dozens of storm troopers on his own yet we are meant to believe a whole platoon of Mandalorians didn't just use a storm trooper battalion on their own turf as target practice? There was no hill of bodies, no pyres of dead Imperials so yeah I think she was lying.

Plus we see her kill half a dozen storm troopers with just a hammer. If she had a pistol, she could take out a whole star destroyers worth at that rate.

This is the way...from a certain point of view.

7 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

Eh, I don't think so. It seems way out of character, and nothing has led anyone to believe they wouldn't have been telling the truth about the helmet. Even Omera seemed to have some idea of it - I've seen theories she was a Mando once, or at least is familiar enough with that custom to understand what taking the helmet off means.

The only reason he was even able to overcome the Death Troopers was because IG-11 showed up - I could see them having ambushed/surprised the Mandos and been able to make short work of them.

They did it once before, obviously, with the razing of Mandalore.

I could see it going either way. Given how both Din and the Armorer are able to take out many foes single handed, and the fact that the armor in the pile is undamaged does support @DarkHorse‘ theory, and that it would take a seriously overwhelming force to destroy an entire enclave of Mandalorian warriors.

It is also possible that the Imperial forces on the planet did bring such an overwhelming force to bear. We really don’t know, so it could go either way.

It could also be a prop-department error. Maybe no one said "put battle scarring on the armor." Stuff happens.

27 minutes ago, DarkHorse said:

The armour in the pile looked undamaged, hers looked pristine and well, our main character is nothing special for a Mandalorian. He killed dozens of storm troopers on his own yet we are meant to believe a whole platoon of Mandalorians didn't just use a storm trooper battalion on their own turf as target practice? There was no hill of bodies, no pyres of dead Imperials so yeah I think she was lying.

Unless it was a trick of the light, I believe that the helmet Din picked up had a cracked visor around the stem of the "T", such as you might get from being shot there. Plus, not every piece of armor would be damaged. Probably a fairly small fraction of the armor.

Also, it was indicated that these were not the local Imperials, but Imperials brought in for the express purpose of taking out the Mandos, probably at the behest of Moff Gideon.

1 minute ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Also, it was indicated that these were not the local Imperials, but Imperials brought in for the express purpose of taking out the Mandos, probably at the behest of Moff Gideon.

He did have a team of "Death Troopers" on hand in Episode 7 and 8.

8 hours ago, Vondy said:

I suspect, at this point, that the only people who might call him that are Cara and Greef.

No one else, aside from the people in the room when he received his signet, have even heard it.

And, with the exception Mandos he meets in the future, I doubt he'll make it known.

I was wrong about this. I re-watched the episode for fun today and...

Moff Gideon uses the Mandalorians full name when addressing him while they are pinned down.

Other things I love about Episode 8 that haven't been mentioned...

When IG-11 was making his ride through town, he shot 2 Stormtroopers with a Jawa standing between them. After the troops dropped the Jawa looked at both of them then back to the camera like "What the frak just happened".

When they first meet the Mando Blacksmith in the sewers there was a large pile of armor to be melted down. When the Stormtroopers showed up (for their beatdown) a few minutes later, that pile was gone. I have a feeling we'll be seeing her next season.

2 minutes ago, T70 Driver said:

Other things I love about Episode 8 that haven't been mentioned...

When IG-11 was making his ride through town, he shot 2 Stormtroopers with a Jawa standing between them. After the troops dropped the Jawa looked at both of them then back to the camera like "What the frak just happened".

When they first meet the Mando Blacksmith in the sewers there was a large pile of armor to be melted down. When the Stormtroopers showed up (for their beatdown) a few minutes later, that pile was gone. I have a feeling we'll be seeing her next season.

The scout troopers where cool, I loved their banter about the Moff.

IG-11 was freaking awesome, he was epic in that fight. I was worried his legs would melt before he got to the stormtrooper platoon.

The Mandalorian blacksmith was bad ***, I love her character.

29 minutes ago, T70 Driver said:

When IG-11 was making his ride through town, he shot 2 Stormtroopers with a Jawa standing between them. After the troops dropped the Jawa looked at both of them then back to the camera like "What the frak just happened".

Had the camera stayed on the Jawa a few more seconds we all we would have seen him helping himself to the stormies blasters, wallets and shoes.

3 minutes ago, penpenpen said:

Had the camera stayed on the Jawa a few more seconds we all we would have seen him helping himself to the stormies blasters, wallets and shoes.

True story.