16 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:As mentioned, it would require some finesse to the timeline, such as saying that the celebration on Lothal was an anniversary of the end of the war (or Lothal’s liberation) or somesuch. It’s not probable, but possible, especially if there are plans to eventually tell that Sabine/Ahsoka story while having a Sabine appearance on this show and keeping the quest’s full outcome open.
The Mandalorian is around 5 ABY not 10.
I like that the Armorer literally smashed the face of a storm trooper helmet.
2 minutes ago, Daeglan said:The Mandalorian is around 5 ABY not 10.
No, it's 5 years after the battle of Endor (not Yavin) which makes it 9 ABY.
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Edited by Vondy2 hours ago, Vondy said:I absolutely love Thrawn. I regard him to be far more compelling than the Emperor was as a villain.
Palpatine is always fun to watch, but he's a very shallow character that doesn't have a lot going for him other than a very entertaining actor.
13 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:Palpatine is always fun to watch, but he's a very shallow character that doesn't have a lot going for him other than a very entertaining actor.
Yes. He's a fun "Central Casting" villain. He was presented with a dollop of camp in the prequels, but overall, he's a caricature rather than a character
Pretty much. The emperor doesn’t function too well as the focus villain as he’s not so much a character as the physical embodiment of the dark side/evil itself. He is everything evil in the universe who ravages everyone and everything he can get his hands on for no reason but personal gratification. As such once he got power there’s you can’t really construct a plot around him; the main reason the OT worked was ultimately Luke’s relationship with Vader being the driving force, the emperor has no room for doubt or conflicting emotion, evil only wants to consume..
That is precisely why “balancing the force” doesn’t work by using any quality of dark side, life works perfectly fine by itself, it is the evil of man that ruins worlds with its depthless greed.
with that tangent done; I loved this episode. I do wonder though, why did IG-11 take the kid right into the war zone? Wouldn’t that have invalidated his primary programming?
Edited by LordBritish49 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:Palpatine is always fun to watch, but he's a very shallow character that doesn't have a lot going for him other than a very entertaining actor.
34 minutes ago, Vondy said:Yes. He's a fun "Central Casting" villain. He was presented with a dollop of camp in the prequels, but overall, he's a caricature rather than a character
That’s because he’s not meant as a “character” in that sense of the word. He’s the “Devil”, the ultimate Evil with a capital “E”; Darkness and Evil personified. As such he’s more a force of nature. He’s the great Dragon that the heroes must defeat, the evil that they must overcome.
17 minutes ago, LordBritish said:with that tangent done; I loved this episode. I do wonder though, why did IG-11 take the kid right into the war zone? Wouldn’t that have invalidated his primary programming?
He probably surmised Din wouldn't like a droid running off with his ship and thought that Din and company were the Child's best hope of survival aside from that, and he likely knew he could mow down some of the Imps and help them escape.
Did anyone else think they recognized the voice of one of the Scout Troopers at the start of the episode? I'm speaking of the one that seemed to be the ranking trooper carrying the Yobaby satchel. I've viewed the "Troopers (Cops)" clip several times, and he instantly made me think of the main trooper in this youtube clip. Perhaps it was just the same bored, disgruntled soldier attitude, and not the voice itself?
5 minutes ago, Sturn said:Did anyone else think they recognized the voice of one of the Scout Troopers at the start of the episode? I'm speaking of the one that seemed to be the ranking trooper carrying the Yobaby satchel. I've viewed the "Troopers (Cops)" clip several times, and he instantly made me think of the main trooper in this youtube clip. Perhaps it was just the same bored, disgruntled soldier attitude, and not the voice itself?
The way these things go, it'd seem a missed opportunity not to drop in a cameo. Either way, that dialog — verbal and nonverbal! — was a riot.
19 minutes ago, Sturn said:Did anyone else think they recognized the voice of one of the Scout Troopers at the start of the episode? I'm speaking of the one that seemed to be the ranking trooper carrying the Yobaby satchel. I've viewed the "Troopers (Cops)" clip several times, and he instantly made me think of the main trooper in this youtube clip. Perhaps it was just the same bored, disgruntled soldier attitude, and not the voice itself?
It was Jason Sudekis and Adam Pally.
5 hours ago, Vondy said:This isn't a criticism because I really enjoyed the scene, but the opening with the scout troopers vibed "elevated fan film" to me.
Oh, no way. This is the kind of stuff I really wish there was more of in the other media. It's like when reading Lord of the Rings, the scenes with the Orcs grumbling to each other about how much they hated their bosses and wouldn't it be great to just leave it all and set up on their own... There's not a wasted bit of dialogue that doesn't in some way contribute to the world building, it gives that "lived in" feeling to the world that Lucas managed so well in E4.
Anyway, really enjoyed the finale episode, and the darksaber at the end was the icing on the cake. The pacing of the entire season has been spot on. The reveals are slow enough that they aren't overwhelming, and not so slow they leave you hanging.
I have to say too, one of the best things about these show so far is that you really don't have to know anything about Star Wars to enjoy it. Even the protagonists know less than the SW-fan audience, which is kind of amusing. Baby Yoda is going to keep this franchise alive.
And speaking of it, Baby Yoda *is* the Mandalorian... 
...it's not the guy in the armour...
5 hours ago, Vondy said:They certainly could have found Ezra by now, but I secretly hope Ezra is still riding that whale into oblivion...
Yup. If I never see Star Wars Wesley Crusher (except they inexplicably made him the hero of the show instead of tastefully shuffling him offstage) again, that will be exactly soon enough.
Edited by DaverWattraYeah, I loved the two Scout Troopers. It really gave them a sense of personality you don't usually see from Imperial troops.
That Scout Trooper scene was fantastic, the entire episode was really, but the Inaccurate 4 on their blaster pistols was hilarious! In my mind IG stole the show though, it’s character arc payed out so well.
2 hours ago, whafrog said:Oh, no way. This is the kind of stuff I really wish there was more of in the other media.
I guess calling out that it wasn't criticism and that I really liked the scene wasn't enough. 🙄
4 minutes ago, Vondy said:I guess calling out that it wasn't criticism and that I really liked the scene wasn't enough. 🙄
Maybe I'm interpreting "elevated fan film" more negatively than you meant.
1 hour ago, whafrog said:Oh, no way. This is the kind of stuff I really wish there was more of in the other media. It's like when reading Lord of the Rings, the scenes with the Orcs grumbling to each other about how much they hated their bosses and wouldn't it be great to just leave it all and set up on their own... There's not a wasted bit of dialogue that doesn't in some way contribute to the world building, it gives that "lived in" feeling to the world that Lucas managed so well in E4.
I completely agree with you. I really liked that it showed how callous and uncaring these random goons from the Imperial remnant are. They don't care about the Child, they don't care that other Imperial soldiers got killed by the Moff, they are just a pair of jerks who no doubt are typical of the other jerks in white armour. Having said that, I now want a series of 5 min shorts of these two guys shooting the breeze, talking about random stuff, being annoyed at the universe.
9 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:
That’s because he’s not meant as a “character” in that sense of the word. He’s the “Devil”, the ultimate Evil with a capital “E”; Darkness and Evil personified. As such he’s more a force of nature. He’s the great Dragon that the heroes must defeat, the evil that they must overcome.
That's not really a good excuse. There's plenty of stories with similar villains, including about the actual devil, that give the villain layers, reasons why they're evil, stuff like that.
15 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:That's not really a good excuse. There's plenty of stories with similar villains, including about the actual devil, that give the villain layers, reasons why they're evil, stuff like that.
Palpatine was the most layered character in the pt.
Having said that when they tried having a layered villain (Kylo) people complained about him being whiney and “emo”.
6 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:Palpatine was the most layered character in the pt.
Having said that when they tried having a layered villain (Kylo) people complained about him being whiney and “emo”.
Most layered character in the prequels?
a) I'm not seeing it and b) talk about damning with faint praise.
They also tried having a somewhat layered villain with Vader/Anakin, and people kinda seemed to like that one. Plusn it's not as if Kylo Ren isn't one of the most popular characters in the sequel trilogy.
17 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:talk about damning with faint praise.
I sprayed my drink through my nose from laughing!
18 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:Plusn it's not as if Kylo Ren isn't one of the most popular characters in the sequel trilogy.
He is now. After TLJ he had a lot of detractors.
12 hours ago, StarkJunior said:He probably surmised Din wouldn't like a droid running off with his ship and thought that Din and company were the Child's best hope of survival aside from that, and he likely knew he could mow down some of the Imps and help them escape.
Ahhh, hadn’t thought of it that way. Droids do have a interesting way of thinking.
and ehh; the emperor being the dragon makes sense. He isn’t meant to be a redeemable villain like Vader, or a complex anti-villain like Kylo-Ren who feels the dark side is his only refuge, or even an anti-hero like Luke (ep8) or Han who needs their arm twisting to take action. The Emperor is a pure campy evil character who doesn’t undergo character arcs like every other softer sod, his character and motivation never changes no matter what movie you look at, he literally exists to do cool evil stuff with absolutely confidence only to crumble in the face of absolute good. The only thing that really changed was his methods; in the PT he didn’t really have the power he wanted so we got to see how he got there in the first place. And that is AWESOME because not every villain needs to be complex, Ultron in the MCU was a fine example of how complicating a villain can actually make them much less impactful.
There’s a reason why Disney villains of the older movies stick out to us so much, it’s fun to watch them crush the heroes with such confidence because when the tables turns its entertaining to watch that confidence crumble. It’s why recent super villains tend to be bleh, they are obsessed with making them relatable when they don’t have to be.