4 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

This seems to be one of those books-only things. Or even a this-specific-book-only thing.

No there are cameras in the detention block on the Death Star it’s been in the media from day one.

About the lack of masks by the crooks and security cams on the ship, it was probably an unspoken thing that they had planned on killing the one organic that was seemingly in charge of the ship, and then ghosting out to leave the Mando holding the bag. There were after all a lot of things that the Mando only learned about what the job entailed after he'd accepted it, Or they could have planned all that behind the ringleader guy's back, as collectively they didn't seem to be the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Then again, just because the Empire was a near-Orwellian organization with cameras to observe things all over the place (helps with oppressing the populace if they think Big Brother is always watching for any sign of seditious activity), that doesn't mean the New Republic operates the same way. If anything, the New Republic likely makes it a political point to NOT have their citizens under near-constant surveillance. Then again, a lot of the plan relied on the droid being able to hijack the ship's network, so he was probably meant to do something to ensure there'd be no video evidence of who was involved with the jailbreak, except that got scuttled when the Mando decided some retribution was in order.

2 minutes ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

Then again, just because the Empire was a near-Orwellian organization with cameras to observe things all over the place (helps with oppressing the populace if they think Big Brother is always watching for any sign of seditious activity), that doesn't mean the New Republic operates the same way. If anything, the New Republic likely makes it a political point to NOT have their citizens under near-constant surveillance. Then again, a lot of the plan relied on the droid being able to hijack the ship's network, so he was probably meant to do something to ensure there'd be no video evidence of who was involved with the jailbreak, except that got scuttled when the Mando decided some retribution was in order.

It's a prison ship, not the town square, prisons had camera's even in the 1970's.

I had assumed that the droid was pulling the classic "loop 10 blank seconds" trope. Other than that, I assumed he was going to cover their tracks in some other way.

We know that they had cameras all over the ship. After all, we see Mando at one of the security consoles watching his enemies moves.

Just now, Eoen said:

It's a prison ship, not the town square.

Read that last sentence in the post of mine you quoted. Zero had interfaced with the prison ship's network, and was probably doing something to screw with the video feeds, making the wearing of masks a moot point if there's no video evidence they were ever there.

Just now, Donovan Morningfire said:

making the wearing of masks a moot point if there's no video evidence they were ever there.

Aside from eye-witness testimony from the prisoners, which would be questionable under the circumstances.

1 minute ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

Read that last sentence in the post of mine you quoted. Zero had interfaced with the prison ship's network, and was probably doing something to screw with the video feeds, making the wearing of masks a moot point if there's no video evidence they were ever there.

I don't disagree that was his roll but the security droids are harder to remote hack, it would have been prudent to wear facial concealment, like Mando does.

Just now, Eoen said:

I don't disagree that was his roll but the security droids are harder to remote hack, it would have been prudent to wear facial concealment, like Mando does.

Unless you upload a virus that goes into effect the moment they plug into their charge ports. 😈

Just now, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Unless you upload a virus that goes into effect the moment they plug into their charge ports. 😈

True.

2 hours ago, DanteRotterdam said:

Oh don’t get me wrong I am on board with the concept it just strikes me as something an actual guild would never agree to.

The first bounty we hear about in Star Wars is the dead or alive one Jabba the Hutt put out on Han Solo. Later the Empire hires a bunch of bounty hunters to capture out heroes because they are on the lam in areas outside of heavy imperial control. Remember, Boba Fett eventually collects a bounty on Han twice. Once from the Empire (government) and then once again from Jabba (crime lord). The latter would be entirely extra-legal, no? The bounty hunters guild is a stateless private military contracting match-making service who conduct business for whoever can afford their specialized services. They are ruthless mercenaries, not crusading cops or defacto government agents. The Old Republic didn't have an intergalactic law enforcement agency to run people down or recover lost items, and the Empire didn't have absolute control everywhere, but they were hardly the guilds only clients. If a person of means, a company, guild, criminal enterprise, or planetary government wanted something or someone found, killed, recovered, or destroyed they could turn to the guild. The guild's ethics and rules are based not on law and morality, but on pragmatic concerns about being able to continue to provide their essential, if unseemly, and often extra-legal, services. They wouldn't take every job, I assume, but they would take a lot of "dubious" ones and not ask questions.

8 hours ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

Side note: those X-Wing pilots? They're directors from the show, being Dave Filoni, Deborah Chow, and Rick Famuyiwa, which I thought was a fun touch.

And the New Republic soldier was Matt Lanter, voice actor for Anakin on Clone Wars.

1 hour ago, Eoen said:

I don't disagree that was his roll but the security droids are harder to remote hack, it would have been prudent to wear facial concealment, like Mando does.

Their main plan was to avoid the droids as much as possible. Also depends on if the droids' photoreceptors acted as cameras that whoever was on charge of the ship could see through, which may well have not been the case. It may well be that it was presumed by the NR that the droids would send a signal for help if they encountered something that their security protocols deemed to be too much of an issue for them to handle. Or could again be Zero messing with internal comms on the ship, given that he was able to redirect the alarm (once raised) to a different section of the ship.

As had been said earlier in the thread, Star Wars tech doesn't exactly match up to tech in our world. Just because modern tech is able to do a thing doesn't always mean Star Wars tech can do likewise.

@Donovan Morningfire Droids have onboard memory investigators could just look at after the fact. The dismembered ones aren’t going to make it back to the charge port to trigger the virus.

I think we all agree that the biggest difference between an Imperial and a New Republic prisoner ship is this, the inmates are in there for very good reason.

4 hours ago, micheldebruyn said:

I think there are legal law enforcement bounties, and off-the-books, under-the-table bounties.

This is how I view it. Bounty hunters here on earth are an extension of the law sometimes pushing things officers can't do.

In Star Wars and other sci -fi settings, bounty hunters are often criminals receiving bounties on non-criminals placed on the targets often by criminal organizations.

Look at Han Solo, he's a smuggler but the bounty on him was placed by Jabba the Hutt, not any law enforcement agency.

In my most recent game, a wealthy Corp executive placed an underground (non-legal) bounty on two characters in my groups party.

Some bounties only pay out on live targets, others on dead or alive and others on proof of death only. One of the factions in the Bounty Hunters Guild (I forget the name at the moment) only take "proof of death" jobs, they never take prisoners.

In the real world, at times, bounties were paid on scalps, ears, other body parts depending on the target. These were all proof of death bounties. Most often for pest animals, some times for humans. American states in past would pay bounties on Native American scalps. There was no option of bringing them in alive.

The Guild has lasted longer than the Sith Empire, the Old Republic, the Empire, the New Republic and every other local government that has risen and fallen over the millenia. Why should they care who deems what legal? That government will rise and fall but the Guild will always remain. The only thing that matters to them is their code and getting paid, whoever hands out the cash. If you don't want to murder kids, don't take the job. There will be plenty of Trandoshans, droids and Gand willing to end any mechanical or organic life for a Guild contract of the right price.

2 hours ago, Eoen said:

@Donovan Morningfire Droids have onboard memory investigators could just look at after the fact. The dismembered ones aren’t going to make it back to the charge port to trigger the virus.

Or not. Video is very memory intensive, and guard droids don't need to be especially complex with massive memory cores. If the guarded location is already covered by security cameras, having every guard also running constantly recording body cams is excessive and redundant. Totally an upsell option a government wouldn't pay for.

4 minutes ago, Ghostofman said:

Or not. Video is very memory intensive, and guard droids don't need to be especially complex with massive memory cores. If the guarded location is already covered by security cameras, having every guard also running constantly recording body cams is excessive and redundant. Totally an upsell option a government wouldn't pay for.

Droid technology is thousands of years old who says they didn’t solve memory storage thousands of years ago. SW Has specialized droid archaeologists.

6 hours ago, DanteRotterdam said:

I don’t usually visit wookieepedia to find the meaning of well-established terms to be honest.
And let’s be frank, if people put up money for kidnappiNg or killing a baby we would never call that a bounty, would we?

Jabba had a bounty on Han. It was not because Han broke a law. It was because Han lost a spice shipment.

There have always been Bountys on people placed by criminals. That is what is on Baby Yoda. He has bounty on him from the Imperials.

The mistake you are making is thinking only law enforcement can place bounties on people or things.

So after watching again i get the impression Baby Yoda picked this job....

17 minutes ago, Eoen said:

Droid technology is thousands of years old who says they didn’t solve memory storage thousands of years ago. SW Has specialized droid archaeologists.

It's not a matter of solving, it's a matter of need and expense. I can put a GoPro with 8 hours of record time on every prison guard right now. But a few hundred dollars of GoPro for each guard, plus replacement of broken ones, downloading and storage (properly catalogued and indexed in a searchable database) of video... It adds up. So if my entire prison is already covered by a built in video system, why spend the time and money on individual gopros, maintenance, management, and storage for each guard too?

Prison guard droids are only marginally different from other basic class 4 droids, it's not hard to believe they would be similarly built with affordability and ease of repair in mind...

5 hours ago, micheldebruyn said:

This seems to be one of those books-only things. Or even a this-specific-book-only thing.

The whole setup at the beginning of Jedi Fallen Order is because Cal gets caught using the Force by a Probe Droid. Boom, Inquisitors within a very short period of time.

4 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

And the New Republic soldier was Matt Lanter, voice actor for Anakin on Clone Wars.

Caught that on the second viewing this evening. I knew he was familiar at first sight but I couldn't place him til I focused more on his face this 2nd time.

3 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

So after watching again i get the impression Baby Yoda picked this job....

The closing line does seem to suggest that...

Bill Burr! That was a great episode, glad he's not dead