Mandalorian - Spoilers inside, don't read until watched

By Varlie, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

1 hour ago, GroggyGolem said:

Well interestingly, beskar is now steel and not iron based on everyone calling it steel in the mandalorian.

I always assumed Beskar 'iron' was just a colloquial term for a non-iron metal alloy specific to the planet Mandalore. I've heard it refered to as Beskar steel plenty of times as well.

People need to stop taking what characters say so literally when those characters are just having a discussion and aren't writing an encyclopedia. It's the same thing with the whole "Mandos never remove their helmets" discussion.

45 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

I always assumed Beskar 'iron' was just a colloquial term for a non-iron metal alloy specific to the planet Mandalore. I've heard it refered to as Beskar steel plenty of times as well.

People need to stop taking what characters say so literally when those characters are just having a discussion and aren't writing an encyclopedia. It's the same thing with the whole "Mandos never remove their helmets" discussion.

I agree I just rewatched the scene about the ingot payment it is unclear wether Herzog is talking about the metal ingots or using it as a metaphorical barb to needle the Mandalorian about his inquiry.

I assume it’s called iron or steel because it has the properties of iron or steel but better.

It could also be a isotope of iron unique to Mandalore and Concordia.

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3 hours ago, Eoen said:

Gym weights are the answer. That square column would weigh more than equivalent stack of iron gym weight plates which are round. And what is 20 x 5lbs?

  • In Imperial or US customary measurement system, the density is equal to 491.5 pound per cubic foot [lb/ft³], or 4.551 ounce per cubic inch [oz/inch³] .

Why do you use iron as your basis? Maybe it is more like titanium?

1 minute ago, Daeglan said:

Why do you use iron as your basis? Maybe it is more like titanium?

Because it’s called iron.

I'm not sure where you are getting your 100 pound measurement. I ran a rough calculation of what the Beskar would weigh if it was steel (.29 pounds per cubic inch). Going with a size of 5x2x.5 inches for the ingots, that would put the total weight at about 29 pounds. (5x2=10, 10x.5=5, 5x20=100, 100x.29=29)

Which is irrelevant because we don't know how much Beskar weighs.

11 minutes ago, Eoen said:

Because it’s called iron.

That doesnt mean it has the same mass. And for armor having the same mass wiuld make it less awesome. The impression i get is it would fit titanium more. Stronger lighter. The way the stuff was in the show it seemed fairly light. The armorer didnt act like the stack she picked up was heavy

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That would put it at 16 pounds if it is analogous to titanium.

33 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

I'm not sure where you are getting your 100 pound measurement. I ran a rough calculation of what the Beskar would weigh if it was steel (.29 pounds per cubic inch). Going with a size of 5x2x.5 inches for the ingots, that would put the total weight at about 29 pounds. (5x2=10, 10x.5=5, 5x20=100, 100x.29=29)

Which is irrelevant because we don't know how much Beskar weighs.

After watching the blacksmith scene I guestimate the whole block is approximately 5 (to 6) x5 x4 inches but maybe slightly around an eighth of a cubic foot 493 lbs (steel)/.125 = approx 61 lbs.

The Wookieepedia says Beskar is pretty dense though.

49 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

That would put it at 16 pounds if it is analogous to titanium.

That would also fit how it is used they use it in starship frames which you want light.

1 minute ago, Eoen said:

After watching the blacksmith scene I guestimate the whole block is approximately 5 (to 6) x5 x4 inches but maybe slightly around an eighth of a cubic foot 493 lbs (steel)/.125 = approx 61 lbs.

The Wookieepedia says Beskar is pretty dense though.

It the portion the armorer grabbed was not handled like it was 30lbs. 8lbs is more akin to how she handled it.

1 minute ago, Daeglan said:

It the portion the armorer grabbed was not handled like it was 30lbs. 8lbs is more akin to how she handled it.

She’s holding a prop in real life. Likely made from resin and shoe polish.

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I think its time we admit Beskar is the Mando'a for Mithril and be done with it. 😉

1 minute ago, Vondy said:

I think its time we admit Beskar is the Mando'a for Mithril and be done with it. 😉

I agree

17 minutes ago, Eoen said:

She’s holding a prop in real life. Likely made from resin and shoe polish.

More like a low melting point metal to get the forge shots.

1 minute ago, Daeglan said:

More like a low melting point metal to get the forge shots.

The actress doesn’t even have to be in the room for most of those shots. It could be tin or whatever.

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"This is Mandalorian armor, made from beskar (Mandalorian iron). It is rare, cumbersome, and heavy."

―Daniel Wallace[src]

Beskar'kandar was first introduced to Star Wars canon in the 2012reference book, Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side, by authorDaniel Wallace.

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Did anyone notice the "Armorer" fighting in the end of chapter 3?

No where was she?

5 hours ago, micheldebruyn said:

People need to stop taking what characters say so literally when those characters are just having a discussion and aren't writing an encyclopedia. It's the same thing with the whole "Mandos never remove their helmets" discussion.

Yeah, the whole "I need to scientifically justify Star Wars to Mr. Wizard" thing is odd. I mean, the Yodling carriage moves according to scene blocking needs. This is Star Wars .

2 hours ago, Eoen said:

The actress doesn’t even have to be in the room for most of those shots. It could be tin or whatever.

Yes. But my way means you can pour back in the molds after the shot and can be used again. Ans you can hydro dip for the look. Having worked in hollywood it doesnt make sense to make multiple kinds of props. You just make what you need.

2 hours ago, Eoen said:

"This is Mandalorian armor, made from beskar (Mandalorian iron). It is rare, cumbersome, and heavy."

―Daniel Wallace[src]

Beskar'kandar was first introduced to Star Wars canon in the 2012reference book, Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side, by authorDaniel Wallace.

That is no longer canon. What we see in the mandalorian is canon and makes the Beskar appear to be lightweight

49 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

That is no longer canon. What we see in the mandalorian is canon and makes the Beskar appear to be lightweight

Citation? I see nothing in the show to indicate its light (Mando is used to walking around in durasteel armor already he’s used to the weight), and the legends material indicates its heavy, and just a special type of iron ore. The lightweight Star Wars super metal with Titanium like properties is Phrik.

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41 minutes ago, Eoen said:

Citation? I see nothing in the show to indicate its light (Mando is used to walking around in durasteel armor already he’s used to the weight), and the legends material indicates its heavy, and just a special type of iron ore. The lightweight Star Wars super metal with Titanium like properties is Phrik.

Multiple people handling it as and it not appearing ro way much in anyones hands. And being used to handling something does not mean it.is goingntonappear light. Also if it were heavy jetpacks wouldnt work as well as they do. Also Sabine is wearing Beskar and she does very acrobatic stuff would work. Not.to mention the way it is worn wouldnt work if it were heavy. The person who wrote that book knows nothing about armor. Armor needs to have a high strength to weight ratio. IE strong yet light weight. If it were super heavy as you think it would pull the fronts ofthe under garment down. And behave very differently with the way it is worn.

@Daeglan Someone who is used to wearing armor can do cartwheels in 14th century steel plate armor or vault on to the back of a horse. It typically weighs around 60 lbs, you could even swim in it if your a strong swimmer. I saw nothing in the show in the fifteen minutes he had with the Beskar armor that he didn’t already demonstrate with his old mostly durasteel suit (where he climbs up the side of the crawler).

His armour isn’t full either if was steel it likely be under 35 lbs, and Sabine’s armour has less plate material it probably would weigh under 25 lbs if it was modern steel.

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27 minutes ago, Eoen said:

@Daeglan Someone who is used to wearing armor can do cartwheels in 14th century steel plate armor or vault on to the back of a horse. It typically weighs around 60 lbs, you could even swim in it if your a strong swimmer. I saw nothing in the show in the fifteen minutes he had with the Beskar armor that he didn’t already demonstrate with his old mostly durasteel suit (where he climbs up the side of the crawler).

I have worn armor. And you attitude is it is heavier than steel. I dont think so. I have worn armor as well. And no where do we know what his starting armor was. I suspect it had lower purity beskar as it still worked far better than other armor we have seen.

You are making a lot of assumptions based on old canon and stuff not in the show. This show is thenfirst show we have seen something we knownis beskar in action. It appears lightweight based on how it is handlednin ingot form. A block of iron the size they were handling would have had noticeable weight. It was handled with minimal effort. That says it is light.

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