So my wife was just watching Solo, and she asked me about the dice, and if they were actually in the original films. And I couldn't recall. Now, I'm not talking about some novel that describes them, I mean in the actual, Original Trilogy, were the gold dice actually in it? The pair of gold dice that are presented as being a symbol for Han in Last Jedi, and also in Solo.
They appear so fast you can miss them in one scene in the original Star Wars film (ANH). They don't appear again until TFA and SOLO.
1 hour ago, Vondy said:They appear so fast you can miss them in one scene in the original Star Wars film (ANH). They don't appear again until TFA and SOLO.
What scene in ANH? Do you recall?
They're hanging in the cockpit, but they're so tiny... you'd practically have to be looking for them to see them.
That's the "approaching the deathstar" scene I believe, since Ben was never on the ship after that. Thanks.
Also can be seen as Chewie is getting in the cockpit on Tatooine just before the Stormtroopers attack, he brushes them as he goes by and they catch the light.
3 hours ago, bsmith23 said:Also can be seen as Chewie is getting in the cockpit on Tatooine just before the Stormtroopers attack, he brushes them as he goes by and they catch the light.
oh yeah that's a MUCH better shot of it! the other one as they approach the death star was really hard to spot due to the shadow boxing at the top and bottom of the frame. Thanks!
The original dice were just ordinary d6s painted gold, however. They added the space-dice symbols for Solo/TLJ. I like world building like that
16 hours ago, KungFuFerret said:What scene in ANH? Do you recall?
The scene I was thinking of is Scene 28 entitled "That's no moon..."
The scene with Chewie that others mentioned is Scene 25 entitled The Millennium Falcon.
Just now, Vondy said:The scene I was thinking of is Scene 28 entitled "That's no moon..."
The scene with Chewie that others mentioned is Scene 25 entitled The Millennium Falcon.
Yeah the "that's no moon scene", it's hard to spot it, at least with a cursory youtube check. The shadowboxing at the top and bottom basically cut out the dice entirely from the top of the shot. The one with Chewie prepping the Falcon though is perfect, you can clearly see him bonk his head on them and send them jangling about.
Those are dice? I thought it was just random cables hanging from the roof.
On 11/10/2019 at 4:40 PM, Vondy said:The scene I was thinking of is Scene 28 entitled "That's no moon..."
The scene with Chewie that others mentioned is Scene 25 entitled The Millennium Falcon.
You have a movie screenplay with numbered scenes with
titles?!?!?
(To quote Old Ben . . . . "THAT's no screenplay!").
My next jarring bit of confusion is that these two scenes are only separated by three scenes? And there is NO way that Scene 25 is the introductory cockpit shot for the Millennium Falcon. Even AFTER the final cut!
(I can't believe I'm about to break down ANH. Blasted Pretentious Film School training)!!!!!
Good gravy! They haven't even introduced Luke Skywalker by (final edited) scene 25!!!!!
Please tell me you didn't pay good money for that "Screenplay!"
50 minutes ago, Mark Caliber said:
(I can't believe I'm about to break down ANH. Blasted Pretentious Film School training)!!!!!
- //snip
I'm not going to get into a whose-the-alpha-nerdiest-of-them-all competition with you.
If you really want to beat your chest about scene numbers, take it up with Monmouth College's film school.
https://department.monm.edu/classics/starwars.htm
Edited by Vondy27 minutes ago, Vondy said:I'm not going to get into a whose-the-alpha-nerdiest-of-them-all competition with you.
If you really want to beat your chest about scene numbers, take it up with Monmouth College's film school.
All 6 films neatly having 50 scenes each strikes me as extremely unlikely. Also, the guy that wrote this, one prof. Tom Sienkewicz, doesn't teach any course related to film making or screenwriting accoring to is CV.
1 hour ago, micheldebruyn said:All 6 films neatly having 50 scenes each strikes me as extremely unlikely. Also, the guy that wrote this, one prof. Tom Sienkewicz, doesn't teach any course related to film making or screenwriting accoring to is CV.
Eh, it wouldn't surprise me. I've watched some videos on youtube by people who have taken classes on film study and screen writing, and they have frequently mentioned certain "rules" of the narrative, that would imply a very specific structure. I forget the specifics, but I know he mentioned one guy wrote a book on screenwriting, and said by like page 13, there should be an action scene. I think he even mentioned it should be ON page 13 of the script, there is an action scene. Or something like that. Some people in the industry have a VERY structured method to the process.
So it wouldn't really shock me to learn that somewhere in Movie Land, there is some unspoken rule to have films be 50 scenes long. At least back when movies were much shorter. Nowadays with movies going 2.5-3 hours, that would be harder to pull off. But back in the 60s-80s? I could easily see that being some rule that editors went by. "More than 50 scenes is too long! The audience will get bored and lose interest! Cut it down to 50 scenes! That will keep it under 1hour 45 minutes! Perfect length for a film!" *puffs on cigar while editing films*.
The channel in particular I remember this being mentioned multiple times was Lessons From the Screenplay, on youtube. He frequently refers to certain authors on "how to write movies" or "how to direct movies", etc, when he's doing his essays. So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if that was a thing at one time. Whether it still holds up today? *shrugs* Probably not.
Yeah and I read the original Star Wars screenplay in Film School.
The link with the "50 scenes each" is garbage, not worth the bits used to program it, and clearly demonstrates that the author has NO clue what a real screenplay looks like or how they work.
I'm happy to learn that you didn't pay anything for that worthless dreck. Thanks for that much. <whew>
Scenes in a Movie aren't like scenes in a play. And I think that's where some of the 'confusion' comes from. Numbering scenes is also pointless. There's so much editing done to the Screenplay during production that numbering scenes is pointless. You MIGHT enumerate them after you wrap production as a tool for the editor . . . maybe, but in reality, that's additional work that a PA would have to do and it's not necessary. It's actually a waste of precious production budget.
So to say that a movie is limited by the number of scenes is a misnomer. No one counts the scenes! Not even the Production Manager (who breaks down the screenplay to figure out how many settings and locations are needed for the shoot)!
The real metric of a screenplay are the pages. And with the screenplay formatting each page of screenplay is comparable to about 1 minute of run time. So a 90 page screenplay should have a run time of about 90 minutes. (And THAT was the limit people were fixated with during the 80's and 90's).
Back OT for a bit. The dice are an interesting 'detail.' Back in the 70's fuzzy cloth dice that you'd hang from your rear view mirror were a common fad and I think that George (or the Set Decorator) adapted that Fad for the Millennium Falcon back in '75-'76. It's a nice touch, but I think the new movies over sentimentalized the dice in the newer movies.
31 minutes ago, Mark Caliber said:Back OT for a bit. The dice are an interesting 'detail.' Back in the 70's fuzzy cloth dice that you'd hang from your rear view mirror were a common fad and I think that George (or the Set Decorator) adapted that Fad for the Millennium Falcon back in '75-'76. It's a nice touch, but I think the new movies over sentimentalized the dice in the newer movies.
Considering I didn't know they even existed in the films until they showed up in the new films would support that thought. It didn't bother me though, as suggesting that a person like Han, who was a lifelong scoundrel and gambler, who frequently talked about Luck, as a driving force in the galaxy, for someone like that, to have some dice as a keepsake? Yeah that didn't really phase me at all. I remember in the films thinking the following in quick succession.
1. Huh, maybe that's from one of the comic books or novels, as a subtle reference for fanservice.
2. Maybe it's something Leia gave to him during the happy days, like a wedding gift or something.
3. Or maybe they just made it up because a smuggler having a visual keepsake of gambling dice is entirely fitting for the character.
None of which really bothered me in the context of the film.