Main Scheme / Threat Question

By BClemson, in Marvel Champions: The Card Game

Playing solo against Ultron and The Crimson Cowl is in play. End of first hero's turn. 1 threat goes on main scheme. Then Ultron schemes (in alter-ego for hero) so it is 1 plus a 1 (yet the card drawn also has a surge). There is also a drone still in play. My question is at what point in time does the scheme get completed and moved onto the next one and if the drone (or now two drones as next scheme places an additional drone into play) would then place a threat on the newly revealed scheme?

Thanks.

1 hour ago, BClemson said:

Playing solo against Ultron and The Crimson Cowl is in play. End of first hero's turn. 1 threat goes on main scheme. Then Ultron schemes (in alter-ego for hero) so it is 1 plus a 1 (yet the card drawn also has a surge). There is also a drone still in play. My question is at what point in time does the scheme get completed and moved onto the next one and if the drone (or now two drones as next scheme places an additional drone into play) would then place a threat on the newly revealed scheme?

Thanks.

As soon as the threat gets placed equal to/in excess of the total scheme value.

So, yes, if every player places drones (or in solo, if you place one) it’s going to skip that stage pretty much immediately absent some kind of emergency/she hulk.

Edit: Also, Ultron only places a drone after attacking, so he wouldn’t be scheming in that scenario (not would the drone).

They also would not attack the same round they are placed by Ultron’s attack power, since minions activate at the same time as the villain.

Edited by Derrault

Sorry, still not following.

  • Hero is in alter-ego form, one drone is in play. It is end of 1st round.
  • Villian phase starts
    • Step 1 - 1 threat goes on Crimson Cowl
    • Step 2 - Ultron schemes (base value of 1) boost card adds another 1 plus surge (surge card adds another 2) (at this point I've reached the threshold of the scheme, so I now reveal Assault on Norad which adds another drone into play, so two drones total now).
    • My question is at this point do the drones, that haven't yet gone, now scheme adding 2 threat onto Assault on Norad? Or does Ultron and drones all "scheme" at same time, thus all excess threat is disregarded?

It sounds like your reply is more that all drones (minions) and Ultron are attacking at the same time so the excess threat (from the one drone in play at that time) is disregarded, and the new drone has now come in after all minions/villains attacked, just want to confirm.

Edit:

Similar situation came up in an earlier game. 5 drones in play. Ultron schemes, causing Assault on Norad to be completed. 3rd scheme needed only 5 threat to resolve, and with 5 drones all about to scheme I had assumed the game was over at that point (or if they all scheme at same time did I have 1 more round left?).

Thanks again.

Edited by BClemson
3 hours ago, BClemson said:

Sorry, still not following.

  • Hero is in alter-ego form, one drone is in play. It is end of 1st round.
  • Villian phase starts
    • Step 1 - 1 threat goes on Crimson Cowl
    • Step 2 - Ultron schemes (base value of 1) boost card adds another 1 plus surge (surge card adds another 2) (at this point I've reached the threshold of the scheme, so I now reveal Assault on Norad which adds another drone into play, so two drones total now).
    • My question is at this point do the drones, that haven't yet gone, now scheme adding 2 threat onto Assault on Norad? Or does Ultron and drones all "scheme" at same time, thus all excess threat is disregarded?

It sounds like your reply is more that all drones (minions) and Ultron are attacking at the same time so the excess threat (from the one drone in play at that time) is disregarded, and the new drone has now come in after all minions/villains attacked, just want to confirm.

Edit:

Similar situation came up in an earlier game. 5 drones in play. Ultron schemes, causing Assault on Norad to be completed. 3rd scheme needed only 5 threat to resolve, and with 5 drones all about to scheme I had assumed the game was over at that point (or if they all scheme at same time did I have 1 more round left?).

Thanks again.

The Minions activate after the Villain, so the result of Ultron’s scheme advances the main scheme, which is fully resolved, then you move on with the Villain phase - both Drones scheme and put a threat on Assault on NORAD.

9 hours ago, BClemson said:

Step 2 - Ultron schemes (base value of 1) boost card adds another 1 plus surge (surge card adds another 2)

Boost card adds its icons to Ultron's scheme value, their text (other than boost text) is ignored when drawing as a boost, so they do not surge. Surge, like other text, is only used when you're drawing the card as an encounter card.

9 hours ago, BClemson said:

Step 2 - Ultron schemes (base value of 1) boost card adds another 1 plus surge (surge card adds another 2)

Surge doesn't work for boost cards.

Edited by Khudzlin

Thanks all, I appreciate it. I believe the surge was due to a starred Boost (don't remember the card off-hand) but had both a star & a single addition on it.

Edit: Card that was draw during the boost was Repair Sequence. Guess I shouldn't have done the "when revealed part" and only the Boost part.

Edited by BClemson

Titania’s Fury is effectively a boost card with surge (Give the villain 1 additional boost card for this activation)