Hi.

During my last play session, i fell into an interesting timing issue where Peter Parker (not Spiderman!) was about to be dealt massive damage from Overkill, which first went through an ally he controlled who got exhausted for defending an attack against Captain Marvel. I had a "backflip" card in my hand, and here's what it does:

" Interrupt (defense): When you would take any amount of damage from an attack, prevent all of that damage. "

The thing is, since no form is specified on the card, nothing appears to prevent me from playing it as alter-ego which are normally not involved in defense reactions, but thematically it feels a bit odd - though in the movies, Peter Parker DOES backflip, but it ain't a movie, it is a game with a clear set of rules, yet rather unclear here in fact. Overkill rules reads that excess damage to a defending ally is dealt to the controlling hero , but i wasn't in hero form, so it felt OP to have the damage automatically canceled because of that wording, though that might have been the intent in the rules.

Also, i wasn't certain whether the defense keyword on the card applied only to the defending ally, or was applicable to Peter Parker as well as part of the attack resolution process because of the card mention of you . Nothing in the rules about the you keyword. I suspect the card being usable only for the character acting as defender as an immediate interrupt to his/her defense reaction, not for other characters victim of collateral damage since it would be too late during the attack process (the defense reaction already occured).

The you wording is a bit confusing as well. Based on my assumption, an ally you control isn't you, your hero/alter-ego is, unless the real meaning is for any element of the game that you control as a player.

I ended up playing the card on Peter Parker to shrug off all the damage on him, but i feel like i cheated. I still lost so it doesn't mean much in the end.

You guys encountered some weird timing situation like this?

As a heads up, you can’t be attacked while you are in alter-ego form so this situation cannot occur.

How did you end up in this situation?

2 minutes ago, nungunz said:

As a heads up, you can’t be attacked while you are in alter-ego form so this situation cannot occur.

How did you end up in this situation?

did

sorry i should have specified that earlier, but Peter Parker's ally was defending an attack made against Captain Marvel. As the ally's controller, it made him the target of Overkill damage

10 minutes ago, Shirys said:

Overkill rules reads that excess damage to a defending ally is dealt to the controlling hero , but i wasn't in hero form, so it felt OP to have the damage automatically canceled because of that wording, though that might have been the intent in the rules.

Your answer is here though, since you did not have a controlling hero the damage was not dealt to you. Think of it like Peter Parker being in a totally different place from when his ally was being attacked.

1 minute ago, Palpster said:

Your answer is here though, since you did not have a controlling hero the damage was not dealt to you. Think of it like Peter Parker being in a totally different place from when his ally was being attacked.

So you would think that the extra damage is lost?

This is what i originally thought but it appeared overpowered =/

9 minutes ago, Palpster said:

Your answer is here though, since you did not have a controlling hero the damage was not dealt to you. Think of it like Peter Parker being in a totally different place from when his ally was being attacked.

Now that i think about it, this makes a ton of sense.

I think you just found it 😃

A similar interaction can occur with Quickstrike. I hit this when I drew Shadow of the Past and the Vulture showed up while I was Peter Parker... Quickstrike attacks your hero, so if you're in alter-ego when it happens you're safe from it.

The only doubt comes with Hulk.

If anyone discard a Lighting resorce Hulk hits 1 damage to each character.

And Heros, Villans and AlterEgo are character.

So Hulk hit Peter Parker's face.

but even suffering that damage, I think I could not use the blackflip because Peter haven't Defender Icon

22 minutes ago, Titshel said:

but even suffering that damage, I think I could not use the blackflip because Peter haven't Defender Icon

True since backflip is part of a defense reaction, which does not apply to Hulk's effect.

Can't "defend" from this

8 hours ago, Shirys said:

So you would think that the extra damage is lost?

This is what i originally thought but it appeared overpowered =/

Nope, in multiplayer this is a valid strategy to deal with overkill. Some cards combinations with overkill can one a shot a hero, even with a ally defending.

Captain Marvel receive the damage. She is the original target.

8 hours ago, Fegurth said:

Captain Marvel receive the damage. She is the original target.

This is not correct. Page 5 of the RRG, last bullet point.

Since a card controller by the Player with the Spider-Man/Peter Parker identity is defending that player is now the target of the attack.

Since that Player’s identity is on alter-ego and the alter-ego can’t be attacked, the Overkill does nothing.

I had not read it. I was so clear that I didn't even look at it. 😛