1 hour ago, ficklegreendice said:

I think predator could easily be 1 point on i3-4, but if we just make it one point then we're buffing Soontir for no reason

Ditto stuff like outmanuever or elusive or fearless etc

Totally agree again.

I think it'll take another year or so of adjustments before the I6s feel right.

If you tax every toy/efficiency the aces can use, and then tax the aces for being a 5 or 6, things build up and you have the Poe Effect: people will run the them with practically no toys or just not at all.... Because now they're just not fun (rather, not competitive...same difference).

15 minutes ago, underling said:

For FO you could possibly list Fanatical .

I know, right?!

Fanatical was "supposed" to be the bee's knees go-to talent. But we saw a bunch of shirtless Kylo's and Tavson Shuttles and .... Like one Fanatical at worlds? None?

...

The initial version of the Omega Special: Fan+Optics x 5sf.

Then people figured out it was just better with 5 crack+optics and one guy as Backdraft.

.....

Was it an efficiency issue on SFs HP ratio? Was it that the style of the list lends itself to jousting?

Was it because these efficiency lists need every possible advantage and tool to push damage through and win harder before the end-game?

2 hours ago, dsul413 said:

I'm interested in the I4 and I5 ba as well. I definitely believe FO get at least two ships next year after the ba in Q4. They'll have enough content for three at least (TIE Dagger, TIE Whisper and/or Kylo's TIE, new TIE bomber from the Resistance show), and who knows what else will show up. Phasma + others in the card pack may turn the tide as well.

The I5 automatically shoving a self-debuff to a friend will synergize so well with the Upsilon or blockers. And I'm not talking about Hux + Stridan or Phasma+Thannison: this will be very easy to apply. Can't make out the I4, but looks to be a great side piece of the ability is in fact similar to OG Carnor (as hypothesized), like the I4 Silencers, but easier to use because it's not as good of a ship and will thus be notably cheaper (plus, native evade really helps arc-dodger craft moving early). Don't know how I'll feel about Kylo's TIE. Kylo's Silencer, is so beautiful, customizable, has auto thrusters, etc. terrifyingly efficient even when fat: I don't care if the new TIE has I6 3 force Kylo finishing what Vader started, as they'll balance it to avoid the terror of I6 Super Kylo by no autothrusters/interceptor dial (apparently SNR are only for the V1 and the Silencer).

I'm cool with FO's power level atm and super stoked for the new content, but all the same...

The Static of my brain Muses into the Null of my Midnight ceiling, Scorching with the need for an Avenger, the Backdraft of my run's Longshot refusing to Blackout. I wonder..."If I had Vonreg in Quickdraw's stead, would I have really won that 1 additional match needed?"

3 hours ago, player3010587 said:

The I5 automatically shoving a self-debuff to a friend will synergize so well with the Upsilon or blockers. And I'm not talking about Hux + Stridan or Phasma+Thannison: this will be very easy to apply. Can't make out the I4, but looks to be a great side piece of the ability is in fact similar to OG Carnor (as hypothesized), like the I4 Silencers, but easier to use because it's not as good of a ship and will thus be notably cheaper (plus, native evade really helps arc-dodger craft moving early). Don't know how I'll feel about Kylo's TIE. Kylo's Silencer, is so beautiful, customizable, has auto thrusters, etc. terrifyingly efficient even when fat: I don't care if the new TIE has I6 3 force Kylo finishing what Vader started, as they'll balance it to avoid the terror of I6 Super Kylo by no autothrusters/interceptor dial (apparently SNR are only for the V1 and the Silencer).

I'm cool with FO's power level atm and super stoked for the new content, but all the same...

The Static of my brain Muses into the Null of my Midnight ceiling, Scorching with the need for an Avenger, the Backdraft of my run's Longshot refusing to Blackout. I wonder..."If I had Vonreg in Quickdraw's stead, would I have really won that 1 additional match needed?"

Congrats on a good run at a Worlds and hard luck on falling one short. Do you mind me asking what you were flying?

8 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Could use some more low cost and low impact options maybe? Of existing ones its hard to find any that should be decreased closer to 1. I imagine its tough for ffg to design 1-2 pt upgrades that are available to so many ships. Crackshot is kinda the sweet spot with so many built in restrictions.

There some decent options at least, predator, crack, heroic, fanatical, lone wolf, snapshot, squad leader, expert handling, composure, juke, swarm tactics, intimidation, and trickshot are all useful in several spots. I wonder about ruthless to, its worked ok for me in a few lists.

Any thoughts on some new 1 pt talents they could add?

A once per game upgrade where you can shoot at range 0, treated as a range 2 attack.

11 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Any thoughts on some new 1 pt talents they could add?

chaff & flare: 2 single-use charges, spend 1 charge to roll 1 additional green die against a missile/torpedo attack if the attacker is beyond range 1 and outside your front arc

edit: it's not really a talent though, so:

JUKE, only you need to have bullseye, be outside the opponent's front arc, and spend your evade token

Interesting that Resistance had the second smallest representation, yet RZ-2s are the third most-represented ship.

5 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Interesting that Resistance had the second smallest representation, yet RZ-2s are the third most-represented ship.

Because they go by # of models, and you can get a LOT of rz-2's per list

This is easy to verify because the #2 Resistance pilot was the cheapest generic Rz-2

whereas you'd "only" get one Vader per list

4 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Because they go by # of models, and you can get a LOT of rz-2's per list

I get that. I'm just surprised that there were more RZ-2s than X-Wings or TIE Fighters. I guess the larger factions must have been much more diverse.

5 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

I get that. I'm just surprised that there were more RZ-2s than X-Wings or TIE Fighters. I guess the larger factions must have been much more diverse.

most likely, or they simply have more named pilots to crutch on (ala wedge and vader) which leaves less room for more ships. Meanwhile, Finn only takes the space of one Blue Squadron Recruit!

The Blue Squadron Recruit is also just a rare example of a good, reliable generic. Makes sense to see them en masse, though not as en masse as Trade Feds!

13 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Could use some more low cost and low impact options maybe? Of existing ones its hard to find any that should be decreased closer to 1. I imagine its tough for ffg to design 1-2 pt upgrades that are available to so many ships. Crackshot is kinda the sweet spot with so many built in restrictions.

Honestly Dedicated and Treacherous are right in there with Crack Shot and Heroic. I feel like Daredevil could be too; I still can't imagine it being used that much because red boosts are rough.

Ruthless is just so so bad though. I feel like it has to be free and even then it would rarely be used. I definitely wouldn't mind it being the default for any I3+ ship in Galactic Empire.

For faction talents that could go down a point, I honestly think that Sefless and maybe Fearless could stand to lose one. It would make them slightly more efficient than they're worth, but at 3 they're slightly less. They still wouldn't be anywhere near as ubiquitous as Heroic, and if it's truly how the faction was designed to play, I'd like to see them used more.

Fanatical is great where it's at though. In general there should be less gap between generics; generally one point is plenty (a little more for I3-4 generics on interceptor-type platforms).

I'm just laughing at the fact that "Sun Fac - The Meta Changing Menace" made almost no appearances, and no form of Nantex even appeared in the most played ship or pilot.

7 hours ago, Stagsquad13 said:

Congrats on a good run at a Worlds and hard luck on falling one short. Do you mind me asking what you were flying?

Haha, actually I had terrific variance with 6 good matchups and only 1 bad matchup. I'm just really good at choking bubble matches.

It's a list that I've been playing with since early August: a netlist Phil Horny's Top 50 invitational winning list, except I tweaked it so that a mortal can wield it. Kylo trades Pattern Analyzer (and thus some unpredictability) for a 1 pt bid and some significantly higher damage consistency. Quickdraw reluctantly loses Pattern Analyzer to boost that bid to 6pt, as well as yielding even fewer points when I trade her for something that needs to die. To push the bid to 9 (and to thus outbid most variants of regen Jedi, as I don't care how deep CIS bids because a just out of range 3 Supernat tight candy cane>>optics+force scares an approaching Fac away real hard, and even if I could bid deeper than 2 I6 + I5, it's an uphill match), Null gets swapped for Rivas. Unlike Null, Rivas' gun hits things, plus his I1 is very handy for blocking opposing filler, droid swarms, Howlswarms, etc. and causing mayhem on the initial engagement.

Kylo Ren + Supernatural Reflexes + Advanced Optics
"Quickdraw" + Fire-Control System + Special Forces Gunner + Fanatical
Lieutenant Rivas

39 minutes ago, feltipern1 said:

I'm just laughing at the fact that "Sun Fac - The Meta Changing Menace" made almost no appearances, and no form of Nantex even appeared in the most played ship or pilot.

Which does not say much, as Worlds was really close after the Nantex release. People had not much time to practice with Nantex lists.

Let's wait some more tournament results, before calling anything.

Also the recent change of "Tractored" on medium and large bases weakens the ship, compared to the "Tractored" condition when the Nantex was presented and was raising concerns.