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◊ During the End Phase, each ship with a Force capacity recovers only a number of [Force charges] equal to the recurring charge symbols on its ship card, regardless of the number of recurring charge symbols that appear on its upgrade cards.

-EDIT- The following question has been answered (by rule, all Force capacities have a secret regeneration arrow). Leaving this here for posterity (i.e. people who are as bad at reading as I am)

So, on the absolutely literal face of it, this would invalidate the recurring charge symbol on all Force upgrade cards.

I am not alone in thinking that this is ridiculous and obviously not what FFG was going for, but it takes a bit of logical stretching to get to where I think they were trying to go (i.e. that Force charges are cumulative between ship/upgrades, but Force regeneration is not). This seems like the most reasonable interpretation to me, I just wanted to bring it to everyone's attention and see whether there was consensus.

1 minute ago, Maui. said:

So, on the absolutely literal face of it, this would invalidate the recurring charge symbol on all Force upgrade cards.

I am not alone in thinking that this is ridiculous and obviously not what FFG was going for, but it takes a bit of logical stretching to get to where I think they were trying to go (i.e. that Force charges are cumulative between ship/upgrades, but Force regeneration is not). This seems like the most reasonable interpretation to me, I just wanted to bring it to everyone's attention and see whether there was consensus.

That is in the new rules reference? That has to be a mistake. That pretty much makes any force user upgrade a one time use if they are not on a force using pilot. Five gunners and 10 or 11 crew.

17 minutes ago, Maui. said:

So, on the absolutely literal face of it, this would invalidate the recurring charge symbol on all Force upgrade cards.

Disagree. Force crew/gunners add the "+1^" to the ship card, so they'll work fine.

I heard someone say Resistance Leia misses the "+" (haven't personally checked), but that's a separate issue.

18 minutes ago, Maui. said:

So, on the absolutely literal face of it, this would invalidate the recurring charge symbol on all Force upgrade cards.

I am not alone in thinking that this is ridiculous and obviously not what FFG was going for, but it takes a bit of logical stretching to get to where I think they were trying to go (i.e. that Force charges are cumulative between ship/upgrades, but Force regeneration is not). This seems like the most reasonable interpretation to me, I just wanted to bring it to everyone's attention and see whether there was consensus.

Yeah... I'd have to agree that RAW, you only get force regen if the PILOT has force regen, and that crew force regen is not a thing that happens. RAI, I would also agree, that a pilot only recovers force equal to that pilot's regen abilities, NOT the cumulative number of recurring arrows on the ship.

(Interestingly, I'm wondering if they're trying to open up some design space for a pilot, like Yoda, that can regen more than one force charge per round)

Just now, emeraldbeacon said:

(Interestingly, I'm wondering if they're trying to open up some design space for a pilot, like Yoda, that can regen more than one force charge per round)

I'm pretty sure that this is exactly what they are doing with the wording change.

28 minutes ago, Maui. said:

So, on the absolutely literal face of it, this would invalidate the recurring charge symbol on all Force upgrade cards.

I am not alone in thinking that this is ridiculous and obviously not what FFG was going for, but it takes a bit of logical stretching to get to where I think they were trying to go (i.e. that Force charges are cumulative between ship/upgrades, but Force regeneration is not). This seems like the most reasonable interpretation to me, I just wanted to bring it to everyone's attention and see whether there was consensus.

Recurring Charges section of page 7:

Recurring Charges
Some charge limits, shield capacities, and all Force capacities have a recurring charge symbol . During the End Phase, each card with a recurring charge symbol recovers one charge.

First diamond point of the Force Charges section of page 8:

◊ A ship card that does not have a Force capacity on its ship card has a Force capacity of “0,” but that capacity can be increased by upgrade cards that have a Force capacity.

For safe measure, first bullet of Charges section on page 7:

When an effect instructs a ship to recover a charge, an inactive charge on that ship (ship or upgrade card) is flipped to its active side. A card cannot recover a charge if all of its charges are on their active side.

In summary, every ship has a Force Capacity with a single recurring charge symbol. For most ships the capacity is 0, but upgrades (Maul, Fifth Brother, etc) can increase this.

Page 8, Force Charge

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A ship card that does not have a Force capacity on its ship card has a Force capacity of “0,” but that capacity can be increased by upgrade cards that have a Force capacity.

Page 7, Recurring Charge

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all Force capacities have a RECURRING CHARGE SYMBOL

All ship now have a force value (at 0 for most) and is is allways a recurring charge.

Crisis averted.

Groovy, we can put this one to bed. Thanks guys

RAW requires careful reading. Who'd have thunk it?

10 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Disagree. Force crew/gunners add the "+1^" to the ship card, so they'll work fine.

I heard someone say Resistance Leia misses the "+" (haven't personally checked), but that's a separate issue.

you're saying if you can take palpatine on dooku or maul, that infiltrator would recover two force charges every round since the recurring force charge symbol would be added to the ship card? nah, you don't mean that.

i'll agree with everyone. each ship has a force pool (even if it's 0) and recurring symbols are not cumulative from several cards.

9 minutes ago, meffo said:

you're saying if you can take palpatine on dooku or maul, that infiltrator would recover two force charges every round since the recurring force charge symbol would be added to the ship card? nah, you don't mean that.

i'll agree with everyone. each ship has a force pool (even if it's 0) and recurring symbols are not cumulative from several cards.

Never said that.