49 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Sounds great.

Can I get in on the pre-order for the next special repaint?

Yep, sign up for the next tournament that has them.

Just now, Darth Meanie said:

Well, not anymore; FFG has decided who's who in that account.

This is about whether you are disaffected by that paradigm.

Bull. You decided that.

If you wish to be disaffected over someone getting something you can easily have through other means, go right a head. But I think that’s a bit entitled, even though I too am Plo-less.

23 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Well, not anymore; FFG has decided who's who in that account.

This is about whether you are disaffected by that paradigm.

This is getting ridiculous.

Your quality of life is not impacted one way or the other by having or not having a pretty Aethersprite model. You can play X-wing just fine with or without it. Someone who has one does not have an inherent advanage over someone who doesn't. You just want one and are annoyed because you can't get one without paying more than you think it's worth.

Well, I'm sorry, but welcome to the real world, where we can't always get what we want. Nowhere is it written that you have some sort of innate right to have easy access to every cosmetic for any game you play. FFG aren't villains for not granting it to you.

I am rather mystified about how many people come in and say: "your desire to have something is wrong and you should feel bad for it." For something that you say doesn't matter you sure seem to be vocal about how much it doesn't. Venting frustration about not being allowed to get something because of artificial scarcity really shouldn't be met with this level of ridicule. So get over yourself, it's not your place to tell other people what they should or shouldn't want or what should matter to them in their life.

People like shiny things. That's okay, it's the basis of multi-billion dollar industries. This really isn't a moral issue, it's an issue of unmet demand that maybe FFG meets and maybe they don't. I've long thought that selling a "worlds prize kit" for people who can't attend made sense. Especially considering how much more exclusive the event is now compared to previous years.

43 minutes ago, DarkArk said:

I am rather mystified about how many people come in and say: "your desire to have something is wrong and you should feel bad for it." For something that you say doesn't matter you sure seem to be vocal about how much it doesn't. Venting frustration about not being allowed to get something because of artificial scarcity really shouldn't be met with this level of ridicule. So get over yourself, it's not your place to tell other people what they should or shouldn't want or what should matter to them in their life.

Literally no one has said that people should feel bad for wanting the ship. People have said that it is ridiculous to complain about it when there are several ways to get the ship, it just depends on whether you want to spend the money, invest in going to the events, or your own time to paint your own.

8 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Alts may not affect play, but full-color, pre-painted miniatures are a key feature of the game, so I think that they are the one component that should be equally available.

...and pretty much everyone has access to, not one, but two full-color, pre-painted miniatures representing the Aethersprite.

7 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Lastly, as "veteran" player who just went to his FLGS this week to play public XWM for the first time, there is (even for me} a huge intimidation factor to walking up to opponents who have 2017 Championship Mats, swag Force Coins, and Alt Art Cards. So it's a bummer that the ships have gone Elite, too.

Could you please clarify your logic here? What I'm getting is, "it's intimidating facing people who play in tournaments, therefore I should have a repaint."

4 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Yeah, some people spent a thousand bucks to get there. I spent a thousand bucks on Huge Ships. And FFG got every SINGLE DOLLAR of my contribution to the game. Can I expect my Exclusive Repaint in the mail??

Presumably, you also got a thousand bucks worth of Huge Ships. You got what you paid for. Why start demanding more because someone else paid for something else and got it?

4 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

That way, attendees get a special ship, and the rest of us could still get Plo's Aethersprite at some point.

...or they just wouldn't make Plo's at all. You pose this as a choice between "Plo for some!" and "Plo for all!" However, given that there are already two other official models, it's more likely "Plo for some!" or "Plo for none!"

3 hours ago, Ikka said:

The other side of the coin is that FFG has to look at their models and plan for what will sell. While some players may like and purchase three or more different paint schemes of the same ship, FFG has to balance that on whether or not it will be cost effective to have that many of the same model on the market. Shop shelf space is limited, and it may work out better for FFG's business to have three different ships produced at the same time rather than one with three paint jobs. Doing a small run of 100-500 alt art ships is much less of a gamble than making 3k+, and potentially having a lot of them sit on shelves for years.

Yeah, I don't know if our local store has shelf space to start supporting an Aethersprite Repaint Miniatures Game.

2 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Sounds great.

Can I get in on the pre-order for the next special repaint?

Considering the special repaints are produced for specific events and likely to all be distributed, I'd say that's unlikely. But by all means, contact FFG and ask them.

57 minutes ago, DarkArk said:

I am rather mystified about how many people come in and say: "your desire to have something is wrong and you should feel bad for it."

Who has said this? I don't think anyone is of the opinion that wanting one is wrong. But I do think some of us are genuinely confused as to how this is any different from alt-art cards or acrylic tokens (which most people seem fine with). And when people start feeling entitled to the repaints, or implying that if they can't have them then no one should, some folks get a little irritated.

I think this all boils down to people with self entitlement issues.

FFG doesn't owe you anything just because you want it.

How did worlds exclusive prizes become such an issue for some that never attended?

Just paint the ship yourself or find one of the many talented painters in the community to do it for you.

Painting them to look exactly like the factory paint jobs is a really easy task for anyone that's had even a small amount of experience painting miniatures. And plenty of amazing painters that can paint them far better for some truly stunning looking ships on your tabletop.

Would they sell if FFG mass produced them? Yeah probably but that shouldn't be expected and met with anger and frustration just because they didn't.

Maybe I'm getting older but i really don't understand these kinds of selfish mentalities

54 minutes ago, DarkArk said:

I am rather mystified about how many people come in and say: "your desire to have something is wrong and you should feel bad for it." For something that you say doesn't matter you sure seem to be vocal about how much it doesn't. Venting frustration about not being allowed to get something because of artificial scarcity really shouldn't be met with this level of ridicule. So get over yourself, it's not your place to tell other people what they should or shouldn't want or what should matter to them in their life.

People like shiny things. That's okay, it's the basis of multi-billion dollar industries. This really isn't a moral issue, it's an issue of unmet demand that maybe FFG meets and maybe they don't. I've long thought that selling a "worlds prize kit" for people who can't attend made sense. Especially considering how much more exclusive the event is now compared to previous years.

There is nothing wrong with wanting it. I also want to have a nice different colour scheme if I can get it, but I am realistic enough to know that we will not get all the different jedi paint schemes through normal packs from FFG. As that would not be profitable for them and takes a lot of extra shelf space for shops without much extra income for them. So I can either be happy for the people that got them, or be jealous and let it annoy me. I chose the 1st option.

And if it's not our place to reply with our opinions on the matter, then all this thread would be, is the opinion that FFG did something wrong here. Which they really didn't in my eyes.

On the matter of it being a good option to give players attending a premier event like worlds:

Beside money spend on their products tournaments give FFG a couple extra benefits over playing on your own dining table at home.

It gives then data about the game. They wouldn't be able to do the point adjustments properly without tournament data. As they don't see what results are on people's home games and looking at the points adjustments thread a lot of people wishlist based on personal experience that varies from those of others.

But most importantly it gives them advertising through exposure. People see others play at the game store or somewhere else and get interested. That person might be the next one spending lots of money on the game. Even on products you and I will not buy more of as we already have them.

Also the coverage of premier events give them that. I watch them back via coverage of Gold squadron podcast etc. This let's me see lists flown that interest me. I have bought multiple ships because of that. It also keeps me engaged with the game in times that I dont have much time to play myself. Making sure I keep up my interest and will to buy more of the game.

So yes I think the players spending time and money to give FFG that should be able to get/win something nice. I think a repaint that we otherwise likely would not get at all is a good option.

Posts like this ironically are just advertising to FFG that they have successfully triggered your FOMO and that there are probably hundreds of players just like you that CAN afford to go to Worlds and whose decision whether to go or not was influenced by what are basically alt-art ships.

FFG thanks you for your freely given data-point of whining and is now that much more likely to keep doing these promotions because of it.

@Darth Meanie I am personally in the eh doesn’t matter to me camp. However I appreciate your opinion on the situation. You suggested this: do a generic Worlds exclusive scheme instead of a known ship.

my question then becomes two fold. Being another Alt-paint ship would you want that too for your collection to be complete? If you were debating going to such an event, would you be more interested in Plo’s Ship as a prize you could get or Generic Event Aethersprite 20**?

While I don’t know your answers I believe most people would vote for a chance at Plo if they are going to get yet another Aethersprite for their collections. Again not saying your opinion is wrong just offering an actual different perspective of things.

Generally the US gamers have much easier to get over any extra alt arts and models, especially if living near FFG (making the argument about the oh soooo high costs untrue for some).

While I can somewhat sympathise with the feeling of being cheated out, cause lets face it, some of us have a real life and family and other obligations; the 2 FFG extra models so far were not that well painted, that you cannot do it yourself, or get it done by commission easily.

On 10/24/2019 at 1:01 PM, LagJanson said:

Do it. I’m up to six sick Scyks, no two have the same paint scheme.

Same here.

On 10/24/2019 at 3:49 PM, LagJanson said:

Oh, so shiny! I have one with purple, red and gold, thats fits well.

On 10/24/2019 at 4:20 PM, Magnus Grendel said:

Light colours with very pronounced panel-lining tends to look good for the hutt fighters. There's a bit of artwork of the Kimogila called Hutt Greed that looks really nice compared to the sandy dun of the normal paintjob.

Agreed. M12L Kimogilas looks really sharp with light colours (actually anything is better than the ugly Hutt factory scheme).

On 10/23/2019 at 9:50 PM, Estarriol said:

I’ll get around to painting my own

Then you'll have what you want, so why do you care?

On 10/23/2019 at 9:50 PM, Estarriol said:

I’m annoyed that they were only available to a select few with the wherewithal to travel across the world, and (a percentage of) the people who got them only did it for the dollar value when selling them on

"I'm annoyed that people with enough money and time to attend worlds sold their participation prize to recoup some of the money they spent traveling there"

Stop grumbling and go paint your plo already

57 minutes ago, Managarmr said:

Agreed. M12L Kimogilas looks really sharp with light colours (actually anything is better than the ugly Hutt factory scheme).

The kimogila looks very similar to a banshee to me (and the scyk is then a ghost, of course), so I painted my first one in purple.

an easy fix would be for FFG to sell that ship at a later date maybe at the next re release. So folks still get the exclusivity of it for a few months or more, but others can take heart in knowing it will be available to them eventually at normal prices. BTW WK did this for years with its prize ships. However I did like having to go to the LGS in order to win a potential ship or get one in a blind. although they ran into the same problems by not making them available to the general public at a later date. But yeah a cool new ship beats the heck out of some "Tokens" as a prize or a 5th addition of a range ruler... just saying..Oh and I liked the challenge coins, however they need to be in some kind of rank order so you can use them properly for drinks at the LGS...lol

6 hours ago, DarkArk said:

I am rather mystified about how many people come in and say: "your desire to have something is wrong and you should feel bad for it." For something that you say doesn't matter you sure seem to be vocal about how much it doesn't. Venting frustration about not being allowed to get something because of artificial scarcity really shouldn't be met with this level of ridicule. So get over yourself, it's not your place to tell other people what they should or shouldn't want or what should matter to them in their life.

People like shiny things. That's okay, it's the basis of multi-billion dollar industries. This really isn't a moral issue, it's an issue of unmet demand that maybe FFG meets and maybe they don't. I've long thought that selling a "worlds prize kit" for people who can't attend made sense. Especially considering how much more exclusive the event is now compared to previous years.

As others have pointed out, no one saying wanting Plo is wrong. I personally have been suggesting ways to make that desire a reality, and I’m not the only one.

Someone else shouldn't be allowed to get something cool, unless I get one too? Are we children?

4 hours ago, Tvboy said:

Posts like this ironically are just advertising to FFG that they have successfully triggered your FOMO and that there are probably hundreds of players just like you that CAN afford to go to Worlds and whose decision whether to go or not was influenced by what are basically alt-art ships.

Yeah, the fomo in these threads is so thick I can slice it with a knife. It’s insanity to me that anyone should care that much about a thing that doesn’t even alter the game state.

I won’t go so far as to say Plo was the only reason I went to the LCQ to try and make it into Worlds, but it was a huge contributing factor and I would love to see more alt paint ship prizes on the ffg prize wall — even for events I cannot make just because I want them there at the ones I can make as well. I don’t need to have all of them (I don’t have the golden vulture), but for the events I can make it’s a fun souvenir for sure. And it will get more use than an alt art for a pilot I may or may not want to fly.

7 hours ago, DarkArk said:

I am rather mystified about how many people come in and say: "your desire to have something is wrong and you should feel bad for it." For something that you say doesn't matter you sure seem to be vocal about how much it doesn't.

Nobody has said they can’t want a thing. What we have said is their expression of how it shouldn’t exist (ie “if I can’t have it no one can!”) is uncalled for. Everyone on the side of “it’s not fair” assumes the alternative to event exclusive prizes is that everyone gets the product - the reality is if it wasn’t an exclusive odds are good that the product merely wouldn’t exist because it was designed by the Organized Play element of ffg specifically for prize support.

So yes, we are going to be salty at those who feel nobody should have a toy because they couldn’t get one.

I’m fine with you wanting one, but the griping about how you “can’t” make it happen and it’s unfair is a bit of a problem.

2 hours ago, Managarmr said:

Generally the US gamers have much easier to get over any extra alt arts and models, especially if living near FFG (making the argument about the oh soooo high costs untrue for some).

While I can somewhat sympathise with the feeling of being cheated out, cause lets face it, some of us have a real life and family and other obligations; the 2 FFG extra models so far were not that well painted, that you cannot do it yourself, or get it done by commission easily.

Tell that to the Legion players who missed out on two models: one at celebration (while in the US, not a minis event and basically sold out by the time ffg got around to telling us) and then in Germany.

I do not think any of us don’t “have a real life.” While I was at worlds, I saw plenty of wedding bands on the dudes I was playing and I’ve never met a guy who wore one just for the fun of it. The answer isn’t “having a life or not”, it’s a matter of priorities. For me, xwing is one of the bigger consumers of hobby time. I don’t play on console games, I don’t go out for beers with the guys after work or whatever else “normal” people “with lives” do to unwind outside of with the family. I spend most of my not-at-work time at home with the family. Occasionally that means I get to have a small vacation. My wife does too - she’s going on a road trip with some of her friends coming up and it’ll be my turn to manage the house alone.

The “folks who have lives”, or rather the assertion that those who go to these events don’t have them, is far far worse than any potential “you should feel bad for wanting this exclusive” sentiments.

Here's certainly one thing I'd say: if FFG had a subscription repaint club that folks could buy into, get an alternate repaint every wave, there'd be a lot of folks who'd buy in. I actually probably wouldn't, but it'd be nice to think I could if I wanted to.

11 hours ago, IridiumR6 said:

Yep, sign up for the next tournament that has them.

I was at Adepticon. I walked away empty handed because of the limited supply. Maybe that's different with this ship?

7 hours ago, Ronu said:

@Darth Meanie I am personally in the eh doesn’t matter to me camp. However I appreciate your opinion on the situation. You suggested this: do a generic Worlds exclusive scheme instead of a known ship.

my question then becomes two fold. Being another Alt-paint ship would you want that too for your collection to be complete? If you were debating going to such an event, would you be more interested in Plo’s Ship as a prize you could get or Generic Event Aethersprite 20**?

While I don’t know your answers I believe most people would vote for a chance at Plo if they are going to get yet another Aethersprite for their collections. Again not saying your opinion is wrong just offering an actual different perspective of things.

Since I don't really go to tournaments, I guess this is pretty hypothetical, but I guess I would be OK with either.

The point is that attendees get a reward. The other point is that fans want an FFG repaint of Plo's ship and feel like they are missing out if that paint scheme is "used up" as a prize.

It seems to me the middle ground is to create a made-up livery (maybe featuring FFG's colors of blue and white?) that gets reissued onto various chassis as convention give-aways.

4 hours ago, Wayne Argabright said:

an easy fix would be for FFG to sell that ship at a later date maybe at the next re release.

Yeah, but then that diminishes the value of the reward ship.

I'm not saying that people don't deserve a perk for attending, I'm saying it might be nicer if (hey, I learned a new term) it didn't generate FOMO for the rest of the community. If the Convention Repaints didn't represent an in-universe, lore-based opportunity but rather a special FFG-specific prize livery.

3 hours ago, svelok said:

Someone else shouldn't be allowed to get something cool, unless I get one too? Are we children?

Since this is an argument over a toy spaceship game. . .

The whole **** game is a luxury item that no one needs, only wants. Wanting it is what keeps FFG in business.

So, "I don't care and neither should you" is probably less valid than "I want one," even if that does sound entitled.

10 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

The point is that attendees get a reward. The other point is that fans want an FFG repaint of Plo's ship and feel like they are missing out if that paint scheme is "used up" as a prize.

Those saying that the paint scheme has been "used up" as a prize must be assuming that if the event didn't happen it would be released as a third repaint of the ship. That's never going to happen.

10 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

It seems to me the middle ground is to create a made-up livery (maybe featuring FFG's colors of blue and white?) that gets reissued onto various chassis as convention give-aways.

🤮 Good grief, no one will want that

14 minutes ago, gadwag said:

Those saying that the paint scheme has been "used up" as a prize must be assuming that if the event didn't happen it would be released as a third repaint of the ship. That's never going to happen.

Repaints have a been a part of this game since the first Aces pack. I'm pretty sure they drive sales for many. So "never" is a pretty strong position to take.

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🤮 Good grief, no one will want that

Oh, so now the paint job does matter. . . 😁

@Darth Meanie - I definitely don’t think the ffg colors on a ship will be as big of an event driver as the lore based alt paint schemes. Though in fairness, they’ve only done that once - the golden droid isn’t exactly canon.

The colors have always mattered in a “we want the perk/prize to look good” way, but I maintain it doesn’t matter from a gameplay perspective.

I managed to win a Plo; I completely missed the droid (wasn’t even at Adepticon to have the chance). I am happy ffg did both, and I would expect Adepticon 2020 to have some exclusive I won’t be able to grab either. That’s ok with me - even if it ends up being some super cool canon lore artwork I can’t have.

I would be less enthusiastic about “here’s FFG’s personal delta 7” than I was about Plo. But, maybe if they made it look cool they could do it once? As a whole fleet of promos, not so much.

The only thing i think we will never see are ships with modifications such as led lights for engine glow.

51 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

@Darth Meanie - I definitely don’t think the ffg colors on a ship will be as big of an event driver as the lore based alt paint schemes. Though in fairness, they’ve only done that once - the golden droid isn’t exactly canon.

The colors have always mattered in a “we want the perk/prize to look good” way, but I maintain it doesn’t matter from a gameplay perspective.

Yeah, I guess I just can't easily swallow the "It matters for some but shouldn't matter to the rest" position.

I also find the "Life isn't fair" counterargument fairly disingenuous also. Yeah, life isn't fair. So I play Little Toy Spaceships to get away from all that. But then the "We Are the 1% With Plo And You Can't Be Mad Because We Earned It" faction shows up in XWM, and my escapist hobby just looks like the real world again.

😥

33 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Yeah, I guess I just can't easily swallow the "It matters for some but shouldn't matter to the rest" position.

I also find the "Life isn't fair" counterargument fairly disingenuous also. Yeah, life isn't fair. So I play Little Toy Spaceships to get away from all that. But then the "We Are the 1% With Plo And You Can't Be Mad Because We Earned It" faction shows up in XWM, and my escapist hobby just looks like the real world again.

😥

I suppose the problem is that you’ll always have some “real world” sneaking into escapism because the escapists all live in, well, the real world.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say you can’t be mad, but I would say you probably shouldn’t. To me, it feels like a really small thing in the scheme of things to hang your happiness on. So, while yes you CAN do it, you’re really only harming yourself by being upset over it.

i am happy I manage to earn it (and since I was not an invitee and had to LCQ qualify I would argue that it was earning). I recognize I may not be so fortuitous in a future year. I’ll enjoy when I succeed, I’ll adapt and learn when I fail.

I have friends with the golden vulture droid - I say “good for you!” And “that looks awesome!” I don’t say “argh ffg should have given me a chance on my terms for it!” like some of the people in the thread have.

Other people having good things happen to them does not immediately put me at a negative.

59 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

But then the "We Are the 1% With Plo And You Can't Be Mad Because We Earned It" faction shows up in XWM, and my escapist hobby just looks like the real world again.

😥

If this is your perception of what’s going on, then I kind of understand your point. But that’s missing the key fact that the entire opposing side isn’t just people who have it. It includes individual like myself who don’t have Plo, but are still fine with what happened. Like I said, it’s not “Haves vs Have-nots”. There is more nuance to it that is important to consider if you want to convince others to your way of thinking.