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Was it just an insidious plot all along?!+1

Both the trailer and poster are pretty light on alien species... I hope the movie isn’t.
Other than that I am very intrigued.

Fair.

I'm excited. Real excited.

B-wing. I say no more.

Don’t get me wrong I am super excited too... I just love me some aliens! 😂😂😂

The Ghost has a cameo, in amongst the Resistance Fleet. Which makes me happy. I don’t have any expectation of cameos from the Rebels cast. I just like seeing the Ghost as an easter egg.

I want to be whelmed, but I am underwhelmed. The trailer is ok, but didn't grab me like E7. When I heard Disney was working with several possible endings, something crystallized: they aren't in it for the craft, the passion to tell a story, they are trying to figure out how to make the most money without angering the fans.

Saga By Committee. Guaranteed Mediocrity.

By the Force I hope I'm wrong.

I really like the trailer, but I'd say overall I'm cautiously optimistic. I'd feel better if RJ or someone new was directing this, as JJ is really hit or miss with me and normally he is more miss.

I will say that my friends did get me really hyped, their reactions, excitement and even tears reminded me just how much Star Wars means to people!

Here is hoping the movie is as good as the trailer makes it out to be!

6 hours ago, whafrog said:

I want to be whelmed, but I am underwhelmed. The trailer is ok, but didn't grab me like E7.

Yeah, I've had and been hearing a lot of a similar reaction to this trailer. Folks still liked it, but their not nearly as jazzed about a new Star Wars movie as they were when the trailers for TFA were being dropped.

Maybe it's simply movie fatigue (the whole "new Star Wars movie every year!" hasn't exactly panned out as well as many would like), which I recall Star Trek hitting pretty hard with the NextGen movies after First Contact and prior to the JJ Abrams' reboot films (which pretty quickly hit the same fatigue after the first one). The MCU films have been going strong for over a decade, but now that they've gotten past Endgame, it remains to be seen if they can keep that momentum going or if viewer fatigue will also begin to set in.

10 hours ago, whafrog said:

they aren't in it for the craft, the passion to tell a story, they are trying to figure out how to make the most money without angering the fans.

Disney are the masters of maximizing every penny they can from whatever project is in front of them, so I realized that long ago. The one thing I am kind of surprised by is that while they have a Profit Uber Alles philosophy, they've also mastered the art of simultaneously delivering entertaining product. To drop the ball so completely and utterly like this - that's like a page straight out of the early eighties Disney playbook, when they almost went bankrupt.

4 hours ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

but now that they've gotten past Endgame, it remains to be seen if they can keep that momentum going or if viewer fatigue will also begin to set in.

That's me. I have no ill will towards marvel - well beyond my usual hatred and distrust of a billion dollar multimedia monopoly - but beyond probably renting the Spiderman movies, I'm pretty much done with them. It was a great 12 year run, but Endgame was a good place to close the book on that story.

1 hour ago, Desslok said:

It was a great 12 year run, but Endgame was a good place to close the book on that story.

I was sick of it before Endgame...the only reason I kept watching was to see how the story ended, but I rented whereas I used to buy. I know it's not just me, my son and a bunch from his generation are very "meh" about the whole Marvel thing. Mostly because they are *all the same*. I will say I really enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy, but only the first one. The rest were generic.

My hope is the Disney behemoth collapses under its own weight. They spent billions buying all this IP, but I don't think they understand that "buying a built world" is far less valuable than just telling a good story.

14 hours ago, whafrog said:

When I heard Disney was working with several possible endings, something crystallized: they aren't in it for the craft, the passion to tell a story, they are trying to figure out how to make the most money without angering the fans.

Which seems like a weird crystallization seeing how it is still Lucasfilm calling the shots. Also I seem to recall the last movie they put out did no such thing...

I get slightly more excited about this than I got for RotS a decade and a half ago. RotS was slightly different though, maybe, because I was younger, but also less exciting as we kind of knew where it was leading, it was mainly for the exposition it represented. TRoS is different, to me. I don't know if the rounding all three trilogies up into on massive ending is what gets me excited, but perhaps it is somewhat that.

But of course the cynic in me is sceptical, but I'm too sceptical to be reductionistic and simplistic about it too, by for instance blaming a company or the "qualities" of a director.

Many people in daily life would describe me as somewhat Of a cynic too, yet somehow I have never been cynical about Star Wars.

I have been disappointed with Star Wars -season one of the Clone Wars springs to mind, as does the moment I finally realized that I just didn’t care for the prequels until RotS came along and I still can’t stand the first half or maybe even two thirds of Rogue One- but that never brought me to the point where I was not eagerly awaiting whatever was coming next.
To be so dismissive of something on forehand (and because of a throw away line that was without any context on top of that) seems, to me, to be about as cynical as one can get.

Just to drop some differing viewpoint - I'm hype as **** about this. I've loved every SW movie put out since Disney took over, far more than the PT or the OT. (Yeah, I know, heresy.) Can't wait to see it all wrap-up in IMAX.

(And I can't wait for Phase 4 and beyond of the MCU - especially the new format of the TV shows actually leading into the movies. I trust Feige and he's always delivered in the end.)

I just want some original ship designs.

That trailer was amazing and I'm excited as all **** for TRoS. My mom, who's been a fan since the beginning, almost started bawling watching it. I think its safe to say that we're greatly anticipating Episode IX.

I'm gonna see this movie just for the scenes in that ocean with the Death Star remnants. That looks amazing.

On 10/22/2019 at 3:10 AM, DanteRotterdam said:

Both the trailer and poster are pretty light on alien species... I hope the movie isn’t.
Other than that I am very intrigued.

Is that really something you are concerned about? What about the little dude working on 3PO? There's a Mon Calamari in one of the shots among other aliens. I am sure there will be plenty of action figure-worthy aliens.

8 hours ago, Archlyte said:

Is that really something you are concerned about?

Did my post read like “concerned”!

1 hour ago, DanteRotterdam said:

Did my post read like “concerned”!

Yeah. When you said "I Hope it isn't" to me that implied that you felt that it was not as good an outcome if it was light on aliens. I didn't envision you having a panic attack because I used the word concerned though.

Well, Have my tickets for 5PM on 12/19

I'll be ready to post spoilers around 9pm

This will be the first Star Wars film I will not be seeing in theaters.

Not because of fatigue, but because of the complete mismanagement by Disney and its team of producers, writers, and filmmakers more bent on trying to please the "normies" and activists than on creating something new and engaging.

While I actually enjoyed Rogue One and Solo and am actually looking forward to The Mandalorian (yeah, thank God Favreau understands what makes Star Wars tick with that show's Western and Kurosawa influences), this new trilogy and its planned follow-up trilogies have left me unbelievably underwhelmed and frustrated. And I will never view them as canon.

I'm afraid anything with Jedi and the Force as its focus will be an automatic pass from me from this point forward.

Though to be fair, the voiceover promises all manner of aliens, Return of the Jedi's trailer shows only a handful, and we know what a creature-feature that turned out to be.

On 10/23/2019 at 7:11 AM, Donovan Morningfire said:

Yeah, I've had and been hearing a lot of a similar reaction to this trailer. Folks still liked it, but their not nearly as jazzed about a new Star Wars movie as they were when the trailers for TFA were being dropped.

Maybe it's simply movie fatigue (the whole "new Star Wars movie every year!" hasn't exactly panned out as well as many would like), which I recall Star Trek hitting pretty hard with the NextGen movies after First Contact and prior to the JJ Abrams' reboot films (which pretty quickly hit the same fatigue after the first one). The MCU films have been going strong for over a decade, but now that they've gotten past Endgame, it remains to be seen if they can keep that momentum going or if viewer fatigue will also begin to set in.

As a tremendous Star Trek fan, I can assure you it was not fatigue but the fact that Insurrection and Nemesis sucked donkey balls that put the nail in the Trek coffin for a time.

What was a downright shame is that DS9 airing at the same time as Insurrection might have just been the pinnacle of Trek writing, acting, directing, and the like...

But, yeah, 3 of the 4 NextGen films were poorly produced trash with no real respect for the source material.

Abrams’ first Trek venture went over pretty well with everyone despite its few continuity glitches because it was fun, dynamic, and looked good. Plus, we hadn’t had new Trek in years! But its sequels started showing (clearly!) the chinks in the armor. And once Abrams lost the Trek faithful, it was all over.

EDIT: The Marvel films are still going strong due to capable casts, new ideas, and a sincere love for the interconnected world that’s been created.

Oof, the second I see someone using the term "normies" and activists unironically in regards to SW and the ST, that's a big flag for me. Can we not use it here? It's fine to not like something, but don't lambaste it by saying they're pandering and using those terms, when SW has always - ALWAYS - had the exact same kinds of messages that people claim the ST is pandering to. The OT had a big anti-"The Man" message, and the PT was a big anti-capitalist message, and the entire saga has always been anti-authoritarian and anti-xenophobia, and pro-progessivism and pro-diversity.

It's not new, has been there since ANH, and they aren't pandering to anyone. The ST has new ideas and capable casts. It's fine not to like whatever the new ideas and themes are, but it's not absent and it's not 'less' than the OT. The filmmakers behind the ST love SW just as much as us, I don't think you can really say they don't. It just might not match what you love about it, but it's there. When you use the terms like that, it implies some very unfortunate things and makes the critique come off as disingenuous.