39 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

See section: "Deceptive Trailers"

It is a decent indicator, but we've been tricked before (Jedi Finn for example).

The book is still open on that one in my mind, given that he could sense Hosnian Prime’s destruction. I’m pretty sure that Finn is Force sensitive as well. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him take up the Jedi Path as well by the end of the movie.

Excited & cautiously optimistic. I've enjoyed most of the JJ's works, including TFA.

7 hours ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

Well, there's bound to be some explanation for why Palpatine's still around 30 some-odd years after his death in RotJ.

We don't know THAT he's still around. All we have is a voice-over.

For all we know Rey stumbles over it on Space Wikipedia.

17 hours ago, KungFuFerret said:

Sadly they both have equal precedent in the franchise, so it could go either way.

But cloning is the lazy way out. Have seen it so often not just in Star Wars that someone is brought back with that so often that it just causes eyerolling now.

5 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

We don't know THAT he's still around. All we have is a voice-over.

For all we know Rey stumbles over it on Space Wikipedia.

So that is what the movie is about. Palpatine reading his testament for 3 hours^^

13 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

... given that he could sense Hosnian Prime’s destruction ...

Would you be so kind and please elaborate on this particular observation?

3 hours ago, Jegergryte said:

Would you be so kind and please elaborate on this particular observation?

In TFA, the edit makes Finn seem to react to the sound of the cries of the people on Hosnian Prime just before it explodes. Tramp has posited it a couple times before, saying it's evidence of Finn's force sensitivity, and as you may have noticed, once he has "evidence", it's off to the races.

Sometimes you just get a feeling in the back of your neck, it doesn't mean you're force sensitive or have a spidey-sense.

So one thing I've not seen mentioned here with regards to the trailer...

C-3P0's fate.

His line of "looking at my friends one last time" along with Poe's very concerned "what are you doing?" question is fairly ominous in the implication that long-serving (and suffering) protocol droid is about to do something that he's fairly sure he won't be coming back from. It could be that he's about to make like L3-37 in Solo and upload himself into either the Falcon or another ship's computer.

Given how long Anthony Daniels (who is no spring chicken even if not suffering the health problems that Peter Mayhew was suffering from) has been playing the role, I'm leaning towards this movie being 3P0's final appearance in the films, with Anthony retiring the role. Which is fitting as putting another actor into that suit wouldn't be quite the same. Granted, they could just do with 3P0 what they did with Chewbacca, and just get a different (and much younger) actor to wear the suit and perhaps have AD provide the voice in post-production.

5 hours ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

C-3P0's fate.

His line of "looking at my friends one last time" along with Poe's very concerned "what are you doing?" question is fairly ominous in the implication that long-serving (and suffering) protocol droid is about to do something that he's fairly sure he won't be coming back from. It could be that he's about to make like L3-37 in Solo and upload himself into either the Falcon or another ship's computer.

Given how long Anthony Daniels (who is no spring chicken even if not suffering the health problems that Peter Mayhew was suffering from) has been playing the role, I'm leaning towards this movie being 3P0's final appearance in the films, with Anthony retiring the role. Which is fitting as putting another actor into that suit wouldn't be quite the same. Granted, they could just do with 3P0 what they did with Chewbacca, and just get a different (and much younger) actor to wear the suit and perhaps have AD provide the voice in post-production.

Yeah. I've thought about that.

Maybe he overrides droid-palps? 🤡

*Slides into the thread*

As a casual consumer of banter; I wouldn't be at all surprised if Rey was a clone that Kylo put false thoughts into and left on a planet. His reaction to her leaving it in Episode 7 seemed was much stronger then simply losing the data. Furthermore, her lack of any background and being stonewalled in her own dark vision (along with the thousands of copies of herself) indicates that while whom she is isn't important, she literally has no origin to speak of. That much she has in common with Finn, who likely never knew who his mother or father was, only the new order.

Mind you, not gonna lose any sleep over it and really it doesn't matter whom she is a clone of; probably Luke given the similarity of their progression and about them both generally being pretty impulsive, dashing individuals that are larger then life. But again it doesn't really matter who; she could be the biological clone of the emperor and I would still be pretty stoked for predicting the cloning theory 4 years ago. Based on instinct, her fairly clear paraelles drawn between her and Han's Friendship, and the power of 1000 anorexic wombats.

And since I haven't watched the trailer, I'm gonna slide off the trails. Just I will be watching for threads after the movie. The salt can be considered by some to be, unnatural

*Slides into the darkness cackling, adds in some extra CGI beasts into the foreground, then bangs head on door as leaves.*

If she were the clone of some guy, I'd expect her to be, well, a guy. And if she were Luke's clone, I'd expect her to be a blond, blue-eyed guy.

57 minutes ago, LordBritish said:

As a casual consumer of banter; I wouldn't be at all surprised if Rey was a clone that Kylo put false thoughts into and left on a planet.

As a theory, I like the clone theory, but there is a major oversight in your theory: Kylo would have been approximately 6.

6 hours ago, LordBritish said:

she literally has no origin to speak of.

...what.

6 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

...what.

As in, she remembered having a family, but there’s no evidence that she ever had one, aside from her memory. Basically, aside from being a slave on Jakku we don’t know anything about her, even she doesn’t know which is a fact that frustrated her.

12 hours ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

As a theory, I like the clone theory, but there is a major oversight in your theory: Kylo would have been approximately 6.

Oh aye, but again, her memory of the incident might not be real. She might be much younger then she remembered, but Kylo put the seed of deception in my mind.

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16 minutes ago, LordBritish said:

As in, she remembered having a family, but there’s no evidence that she ever had one, aside from her memory. Basically, aside from being a slave on Jakku we don’t know anything about her, even she doesn’t know which is a fact that frustrated her.

No, we see her as a desperate child being held back by the food trader alien and shouting for someone to come back to her. That isn't a memory, it's part of the Force vision she has in Force Awakens. None of the other events shown are from her memory; there's nothing suggesting that just this one would be purely a memory or fabricated.

Yeah, I'm not seeing how Rey is a clone, either of Kylo, Luke, Palps, or anyone else for that matter.

One of the themes of the new films (though perhaps a bit subtle) is that anyone can become the hero if they've the will to do it. Rey being "nobody from nowhere" and not tied to any of the greater legacies or figures of power from the previous movies makes for a better character.

As Stan said, we do see a brief flash of her past, when her parents abandoned her. And given how Kylo seems to her mind through their Force bond, he's probably on some level aware of what she knows about her own past, and used that in TLJ to try and get her to join him, getting her to at last confess out loud that her parents were nobody.

One of Rey's arcs through the two films thus far is trying to get some form of replacement for her departed parents, be it Han in TFA as a supportive father-figure or Luke in TLJ as a mentor, and her Force vision in the Atch-To cave was the Force's way of showing her that she didn't need to rely on parents (actual or substitute or mentors to support her, but that she was capable of supporting herself, that all the answers she'd been craving were inside herself.

It's not unlike Anakin's appearance in TPM (going solely by what's in the movie), in that he just "showed up" being unusually strong in the Force, and not even having a father. And as other Jedi had to come from somewhere, why is it so hard for some to accept that Rey was created the natural way and that the Force for ineffable reasons selected her as the new "chosen one' to combat the rising darkness that is Kylo Ren? Even in Legends, we've had Force users that came from nowhere who turned out to be astonishingly strong in the Force, with Revan of the KOTOR era being a prime example, with the only "legacy" he had was the one he forged for himself.

(Shrugs) as said, its the plot twist I’m expecting from this movie, I don’t really care about the small details, just the idea. If I’m wrong, not gonna lose much sleep over it.

3 hours ago, LordBritish said:

(Shrugs) as said, its the plot twist I’m expecting from this movie, I don’t really care about the small details, just the idea. If I’m wrong, not gonna lose much sleep over it.

I'm not so sure there's going to be any big plot twist in this one, at least with regards to Rey. TFA had the plot twist (of sorts) of her being the main hero as opposed to Finn like a number of folks thought, and then TLJ had the minor twist of her parents not being anybody important to the franchise (debunking a lot of speculation that she was the special daughter of any number of individuals), along with the surprise of offing Snoke during the second act. About the only twist/surprise I could see them doing would be having her die at the end, or renouncing her Force user status entirely and disappearing into myth.

Revealing Palpatine to have cheated death (however he winds up doing it) and being the mastermind behind the First Order's actions would have been good to keep as a plot twist, contrived as him being the mastermind might be. But the trailers have already spoiled that one.

Wild speculation that might not be borne out at all, but my guess is that there will be some plot twist regarding whether Palpatine actually is the big bad, we never get to see his face in the trailer, you know. We heard his (ghostly) cackle, and saw a shoulder shot of someone in a black, hooded robe.

I'm not suggesting that there is someone bigger and badder, just that it might not go the way we would expect it to.

Star Wars trailers have been yanking fan's chains, pouring fuel on the flames of speculation, and pulling baits and switches since Empire's trailers hit in 1979. Yes, that's right, they've been screwing with us for Forty Years . Palatine's voice could just be a trailer voiceover that never appears in the movie. It could also just be something that is heard in Jedi dreams and visions with him never physically appearing or directly driving the plot. Or we could be dealing with an EU style clone... I hope not. Too cheesy.. Honestly, the first or second strike me as being the most likely. On the other hand, Mark Hammill is listed in the main cast so we are quite likely to get some hard-core force ghost action. Who knows? I've been a fan since seeing the first film at the age of five in 1977. What I know is that we won't know until we see it!

My theory, based on nothing but personal preference, is that Palpatine has been dead and ghosty but dormant for the last 30 years, in his final resting place, the Death Star. And that it's only now that he became active, having been woken up by Kylo Ren who was looking for a new and better teacher.

3 hours ago, Vondy said:

I've been a fan since seeing the first film at the age of 1977.

Are you a really old vampire?

On 10/25/2019 at 9:23 AM, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Sometimes you just get a feeling in the back of your neck, it doesn't mean you're force sensitive or have a spidey-sense.

In the real world, I would agree. But in a fictional world, fabricated by writers and directors, who have ultimate control over what we are shown and in what context, and in a fictional world that actually DOES have magical-like stuff going on, it could be a subtle hint.

Though I do find it funny, that in all the griping about the new films, nobody ever seems to call BS on how Finn was able to hold his own for an impressive amount of time against Kylo (even hurting him in the melee), considering he apparently doesn't have force powers, and was never trained in melee weapon fighting that we ever see. But somehow that's ok and believable, and Rey doing the same WITH force powers isn't. Even though the fundamental lesson of Old Ben's teaching to Luke in New Hope about using the saber is to act on instinct, which precludes actual training. So...yeah, lovely double standard there.

2 minutes ago, KungFuFerret said:

nobody ever seems to call BS on how Finn was able to hold his own for an impressive amount of time against Kylo (even hurting him in the melee), considering he apparently doesn't have force powers, and was never trained in melee weapon fighting that we ever see. But somehow that's ok and believable, and Rey doing the same WITH force powers isn't.

I can't speak for everyone, but I have no double standard. I love TFA and hated TLJ. I defended Rey against Mary Sue allegations after TFA. That went out the window after TLJ. However, I still defend TFA because it didn't go too far.

I cannot remember the name of the book, it was a pretty generic name, but it was basically the backstory of Finn, Rey, and Poe. There were a few training scenes for Finn that demonstrated that he excelled at melee combat, was top of his class, in fact. The weapon he specialized in was not too dissimilar in concept to a lightsaber, as far as shape and methods go (I know, the lightsaber is different from everything, but some stuff can carry over [part of my defense of Rey in TFA]).
Anyway, there was only one stormtrooper in his class (or whatever you would call it) who could best him, and it was FN-2199 ("Nines" or "Traitor") with the shock baton. And that was after Finn had already gone several rounds, topping all of his opponents.

9 hours ago, micheldebruyn said:

Are you a really old vampire?

Fixed.