3 hours ago, Wraithdt said:

Except it does make complete sense. To be fair my initial reaction was similar to yours, and I agree the practicality of reusing an already made CG model is definitely a factor in the decision making, but it also fits narratively speaking.

I’m quite confident that this Sith fleet is a big part of Palpatine’s contingency which means he probably planned for it early in his reign and it would’ve taken him a significant amount of time to amass and hide away a fleet this large and under the utmost secrecy in the Unknown Regions. Hence its reasonable to assume that he would use ISD Is just because it was in service a lot earlier in the Empire’s reign, whereas the ISD II was only in service for a maximum of 4-5 years before the end of the Galactic Civil War.

Agree this makes sense. This could have been a boneyard of sorts for Imperial I’s that we’re replaced by Imperial II class.

This kind of stockpiling of surplus military equipment happens all the time in real world.

32 minutes ago, Braddock76ie said:

Agree this makes sense. This could have been a boneyard of sorts for Imperial I’s that we’re replaced by Imperial II class.

This kind of stockpiling of surplus military equipment happens all the time in real world.

I think (correct me if I am wrong) that part of the reason that all that gear was stored in that fashion was that as part of the disarmament treaties between NATO and the Warsaw Pact the disarmed equipment had to be visible by satellites passing over (so that it could be verified that it actually WAS decommissioned). The Soviets did the same with their huge bomber fleets.

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32 minutes ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

Based on the open "wings," pretty sure the ship labelled "Liberator CR-90 Corvette" is actually a Modified Pelta-class Frigate.

Is that an assault frigate mk 2 on the bottom left side of the screen?

4 hours ago, Felswrath said:

Is that an assault frigate mk 2 on the bottom left side of the screen?

It does have the right silhouette.

Did anyone else look at this and think "Well that turn 1 is going to see a **** of a lot of overlapping."

24 minutes ago, Frostweasel said:

Did anyone else look at this and think "Well that turn 1 is going to see a **** of a lot of overlapping."

"Admiral Konstantine to the bridge"...

12 hours ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

The red and white ship in the middle you ID'd as a Defender class is a Free-Virgilia class bunker buster.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Free_Virgillia-class_Bunkerbuster?file=Ninka_DB.png

The Ocean Moon of Kef Bir is confirmed.

I'm pretty sure half of those guesses are wrong... Sorry

Liberator is a pelta

Gr75 is another assault frigate looking ship. Look closer, it has the structure extending down it's underside. Also way to far back to be a GR 75. It's behind the Neb b/c and it's as big of not bigger.

Hammer head corvette?? No

The modified HH, that's correct.

1 hour ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

The Ocean Moon of Kef Bir is confirmed.

So the Empire built a third Death Star that fell apart?

29 minutes ago, Forresto said:

So the Empire built a third Death Star that fell apart?

To be fair, we never in canon got an explanation for the Endor situation. IE., 'the forest moon of Endor' means what...Endor is a planet with many moons, and only one of them is forested, and that's where RotJ was mostly set? Or Endor is the name of the 'forest moon' itself, in which case what is the name of the planet it orbits, and what/where are the other moons? Having RotJ's ground combat set on a moon rather than a planet sets up all kinds of weird questions.

In the EU, it was hand-waved away by the planet Endor having a forest moon ALSO named Endor. Which was dumb as a box of rocks, but whatever.

Nothing about getting a name 'Kef Bir' for the ocean moon necessarily conflicts with this being anything but the second Death Star. Maybe Endor had an ocean moon just behind the forest moon that we didn't really see much of, and that's where parts of the Death Star went down, in addition to the forest moon (named whatever), and probably every other moon of the planet (maybe named Endor).

9 minutes ago, xanderf said:

To be fair, we never in canon got an explanation for the Endor situation. IE., 'the forest moon of Endor' means what...Endor is a planet with many moons, and only one of them is forested, and that's where RotJ was mostly set? Or Endor is the name of the 'forest moon' itself, in which case what is the name of the planet it orbits, and what/where are the other moons?

Its all very simple:

The Endor system contains Endor 1, a Star and Endor 2, a second star. Orbiting the binary pair is a gas giant called Endor with a forest moon called Endor. Endor is the name for one star system, two stars one gast giant and one moon. Very simple. 😂 (I am not making this up)

But it is never stated that there aren't other bodys orbiting any of the Endors.

2 hours ago, Forresto said:

So the Empire built a third Death Star that fell apart?

I suppose it's entirely possible that the debris never actually fell planet side? Maybe it stayed in orbit and had to be hauled for disposal due to the indigenous life.

If I remember correctly some of the early cuts of EP VII, JJ had Star destroyers being dumped on Jakku.

Could be JJ reused the idea for the death star debris?

8 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

I suppose it's entirely possible that the debris never actually fell planet side? Maybe it stayed in orbit and had to be hauled for disposal due to the indigenous life.

If I remember correctly some of the early cuts of EP VII, JJ had Star destroyers being dumped on Jakku.

Could be JJ reused the idea for the death star debris?

That's cool and high plausible.

On a related note The Star Wars Show may have just indirectly confirmed the presence of the Colossus in the shot of the massive Resistance fleet. 😲

On 10/23/2019 at 7:54 AM, Felswrath said:

Is that an assault frigate mk 2 on the bottom left side of the screen?

Could be a cargo Corvette like the one TLJ's resistance Fleet.

It looks to me like a CGI dump. That's why there's three+MC-75's (3d model made for Rogue One) and not a single MC80A, MC80B, or MC80L, though from what we know about Endor they ought to have been a lot more prevalent. Several of the ships are recolors but exactly the same render, down to the camera angle (saves money for the CGI artists). These will likely have little to no import in the battle to come- it's a sloppy, hasty shot meant to be impressive and we'll never see them again.

No biggie, this was done in RotJ too, pre CG of course (just take a look at how many exactly the same MC-80A's and Nebulon-B there are in some of the composited shots- I think there's like 9 Neb-B's all with the exact same profile, scaled differently in one scene)

Definitely maybe a Corellian Gunship (or two) in that shot.

4 hours ago, DUR said:

That's why there's three+MC-75's (3d model made for Rogue One) and not a single MC80A

There's at least one MC80 Home One in the full trailer, in the top right of the image. Lucasfilm do have a CGI model for the MC80 Home One - it was included in the Rise of the Resistance trailer. The MC75s also seem to be a bit different, not all have the bit sticking down. But yes - a lot of the other ships seem to be copy-pasted. The final version might be a bit different.

There are a few mystery ships I'm still a bit confused by. I have a feeling I should recognise the second one (looks like a YV- model), and that the third is probably some freighter/bomber we've already met. But I think the first and 4th are interesting new designs; some sort of corvette. [pictures taken from Mel's wonderful combined image.]

What I read for Armada in this, is that the Resistance might probably better be handled like in X-Wing 1.0. Given that the vast majority of ships they use seem to be old leftovers, making them a subfaction seems to be more appropriate than a new one with largely the same roster. Heck, even the FO uses old imperial stuff like ISD's in the books.

On 10/24/2019 at 12:12 PM, DUR said:

It looks to me like a CGI dump. That's why there's three+MC-75's (3d model made for Rogue One) and not a single MC80A, MC80B, or MC80L, though from what we know about Endor they ought to have been a lot more prevalent. Several of the ships are recolors but exactly the same render, down to the camera angle (saves money for the CGI artists). These will likely have little to no import in the battle to come- it's a sloppy, hasty shot meant to be impressive and we'll never see them again.

No biggie, this was done in RotJ too, pre CG of course (just take a look at how many exactly the same MC-80A's and Nebulon-B there are in some of the composited shots- I think there's like 9 Neb-B's all with the exact same profile, scaled differently in one scene)

Mc80 home one style in upper right corner.