On 10/23/2019 at 2:07 PM, LordCola said:

Its all very simple:

The Endor system contains Endor 1, a Star and Endor 2, a second star. Orbiting the binary pair is a gas giant called Endor with a forest moon called Endor. Endor is the name for one star system, two stars one gast giant and one moon. Very simple. 😂 (I am not making this up)

But it is never stated that there aren't other bodys orbiting any of the Endors.

Which is why the Ewoks had to live outside in treehouses not proper homes. Everything would get too confusing if they also lived indoors.

4 hours ago, Tayloraj100 said:

Everything would get too confusing if they also lived indoors.

You mean... Endors...

On 10/21/2019 at 9:41 PM, xanderf said:

(And I still remain convinced the Onager was supposed to be what appeared as the fleet of ships in the movie instead of those Star Destroyers - but JJ wanted something more familiar, ergo the blatant rip-off of the Rogue One CGI model despite it making no sense for an Imperial-I...even modified...to still be in use 30 years after Endor.)

I see this argument all the time that “it makes no sense for 30 year-old ships to still be in use.” However, Naval doctrine all throughout history on Earth has used ships that are well over 30 years old.

Minimum expected service life of any new ship today is AT LEAST 30 years. A new US Navy carrier, such as the Gerald Ford, is built with a 50 year expected service life. Even smaller ships, such as destroyers and cruisers, routinely see 30+ years of service. When the US is done with those ships, they often get sold to other navies and continue to serve for another 20+ years. The USS Wisconsin served in WWII and the first gulf war, almost 50 years later.

In my opinion, seeing entirely new fleets between clone wars and GCW, and again between GCW and Resistance/FO conflicts doesn’t make a lot of sense. You would of course see newer ships, but you could very possibly see Clone Wars ships still serving in the Resistance era. A platform that size (and that expensive to build) isn’t going to just be discarded.

7 minutes ago, bkcammack said:

I see this argument all the time that “it makes no sense for 30 year-old ships to still be in use.” However, Naval doctrine all throughout history on Earth has used ships that are well over 30 years old.

'...has used' is one thing. 'Fleet 100% composed of' is quite another.

If the US Navy fought their component of the Gulf War with nothing but WW2-era battleships, your argument would be comparable. But it didn't. We had 2 of them there.

Even the dawn of World War 2, where the major world navies had been almost completely constrained in their construction of new warships by the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922, still saw only a few dozen (in many cases, nearly completely rebuilt) battleships from WW1 - a conflict barely 20 years ended.

In either case, the ships actively being built today on the slipways are current designs. No ship design stays in active production as a frontline unit for 30 years. Closest comparable I can think of recently is the Spruance-class whose hull was also used for the Ticonderoga-class. There you've got "the same hull" (kinda/sorta/more-or-less) being built as new construction over 20 years. Still not 30. (And we're talking even longer - it was 30 years between RotJ and TFA. The ISD-I was in mass production at least by Rogue One - 5 years prior to RotJ - and we have no idea yet how far out TRoS is set from TFA.)

I think restricting a fictional spaceship’s lifespan in a fictional universe to real ships in a real navy is a bit flimsy.

What makes something obsolete?

1) Rate of Technological Advancement

2) Rate of Decay

3) Ability to Repair

4) Cost of Refitting Versus Cost of Manufacturing a New Model

5) Circumstance

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One thing Star Wars makes abundantly clear in the 60 year timespan we witness from The Phantom Menace to The Rise of Skywalker is that technology advances at a glacier pace. Yes things improve but it never seems to outpace old tech given some upgrade or another.

The Millenium Falcon is one of the best ships in the movies and predates the Clone Wars.

I mean for goodness sake most of the Rebel Fleet is ridiculously old. The Mon Calamari ships were originally mobile city structures!

Part of the charm of Star Wars is that it feels like an incredibly old and lived in universe.

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So no it doesn’t bother me that the main enemy vessel in TROS are ISD-Is.

IF they’re ISD-Is.

After all ISD-IIs don’t all necessarily have to look like they do in ESB and ROTJ. 25,000 ISDs in the fleet. I could easily see plenty of ISD-IIs retain the aesthetics of the ISD-I while only the critical parts were refitted.

11 hours ago, Forresto said:

I think restricting a fictional spaceship’s lifespan in a fictional universe to real ships in a real navy is a bit flimsy.

What makes something obsolete?

1) Rate of Technological Advancement

2) Rate of Decay

3) Ability to Repair

4) Cost of Refitting Versus Cost of Manufacturing a New Model

5) Circumstance

-

One thing Star Wars makes abundantly clear in the 60 year timespan we witness from The Phantom Menace to The Rise of Skywalker is that technology advances at a glacier pace. Yes things improve but it never seems to outpace old tech given some upgrade or another.

The Millenium Falcon is one of the best ships in the movies and predates the Clone Wars.

I mean for goodness sake most of the Rebel Fleet is ridiculously old. The Mon Calamari ships were originally mobile city structures!

Part of the charm of Star Wars is that it feels like an incredibly old and lived in universe.

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So no it doesn’t bother me that the main enemy vessel in TROS are ISD-Is.

IF they’re ISD-Is.

After all ISD-IIs don’t all necessarily have to look like they do in ESB and ROTJ. 25,000 ISDs in the fleet. I could easily see plenty of ISD-IIs retain the aesthetics of the ISD-I while only the critical parts were refitted.

And that's just in the canon. Jump back to the TOR era EU, and some of the tech hasn't really been "improved" for millennia.

18 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

And that's just in the canon. Jump back to the TOR era EU, and some of the tech hasn't really been "improved" for millennia.

It belongs in a museum!

Wait, wrong Lucasfilm product.

1 minute ago, geek19 said:

It belongs in a museum!

Wait, wrong Lucasfilm product.

I'm just reminded of how SWtOR had a "skyhopper" taxi that was basically a T16 made of Lego bricks. lol

On 10/24/2019 at 4:55 PM, Grumbleduke said:

There's at least one MC80 Home One in the full trailer, in the top right of the image. Lucasfilm do have a CGI model for the MC80 Home One - it was included in the Rise of the Resistance trailer. The MC75s also seem to be a bit different, not all have the bit sticking down. But yes - a lot of the other ships seem to be copy-pasted. The final version might be a bit different.

There are a few mystery ships I'm still a bit confused by. I have a feeling I should recognise the second one (looks like a YV- model), and that the third is probably some freighter/bomber we've already met. But I think the first and 4th are interesting new designs; some sort of corvette. [pictures taken from Mel's wonderful combined image.]

I stand corrected!

Hopefully they actually shoot at each other and there isn't a strange "Wait! I'll settle this in a one-on-one duel with ye isntead!" moment

1 hour ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

Also u/Hufa123 thinks he spoted an Acclamator Class.

I think that's a Pelta. It matches the silhouettes on the right, and the ones at the top.

It would be nice if there was a handy guide of all the EU material we're supposed to be reading/watching before Rise of Skywalker. The downside of these big multimedia projects is that it is hard to keep track of everything.

2 minutes ago, Grumbleduke said:

It would be nice if there was a handy guide of all the EU material we're supposed to be reading/watching before Rise of Skywalker.

The problem is that the stuff is also nested. Like Resistance Reborn is recommended for The Rise of Skywalker but there are other things that are recommended for Resistance Reborn itself, like the Poe Dameron Comics or the story from Battlefront 2. I am already reading many of the canon comics but I have not started the Poe Dameron series yet. (mainly because I strongly dislike the character) But there is simply no way I can finish the whole Poe Dameron comic as well as Resistance Reborn before TROS comes out.

11 minutes ago, Grumbleduke said:

I think that's a Pelta. It matches the silhouettes on the right, and the ones at the top.

It would be nice if there was a handy guide of all the EU material we're supposed to be reading/watching before Rise of Skywalker. The downside of these big multimedia projects is that it is hard to keep track of everything.

The Pelta Class definitely got love in that shot.

I’m watching at least three screenings in the first ten days. The latter two just to take notes down.

🤣

Wish there was more new ships in this, not that much that we get to add to our games or the SW universe. Disappointing.

There are at least 5 new ship classes in that one image, with maybe 2 legends-only ones (DP20 and Assault Frigate), and three that have only appeared in the cartoons. Plus probably a few we can't make out clearly.

I think that's more than we've had in any one film since maybe RotJ.

Seems like one more ship from the money shot was identified.

Strange, from the trailer I had expected that the ship we see in the trailer would be much bigger than the GX1 but its profile fits the ship in the trailer perfectly.

Hmmmm. I wonder if that’s going to be the case in the film or if that’s simply the graphic designers using whatever ISD pictures they have available?

Or they could have built more than one new class of ISD.

Yah I'm doubting that too.

5 hours ago, Grathew said:

Or they could have built more than one new class of ISD.

Yah I'm doubting that too.

Not the imperial way. One class fits all. If that class isn’t enough on its own, then you bring multiple.

that’s just science

/s