7 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

Being one of three factions with access - even for generics - to tech

Minor correction. Quads have the slot.

Here’s a list I’ve played a couple times on the casual side with success. I’m thinking about taking it to a store tournament and see how it does in a more competitive setting.

RE Rey’s Fives

(73) Rey [Scavenged YT-1300]
(6) Korr Sella
(10) Finn
(4) Stealth Device
(5) Rey's Millennium Falcon
Points: 98

(36) Tallissan Lintra [RZ-2 A-wing]
(1) Heroic
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 41

(55) Nien Nunb [T-70 X-wing]
(0) Integrated S-foils
(1) Heroic
(5) Pattern Analyzer
Points: 61

Total points: 200

No bid I know but overall seems solid.

7 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

I keep wanting to try and get some use out of the ultimate 'positioning' squad - Han carrying GA-97 and WHEN SUDDENLY POE - but I'm not sure I'm good enough to turn controlling deployment like that into actual winning games...

I've been having fun with SUDDENLY REY. You end up with a slimmer Han, but Rey murders things, and really appreciates the positioning advantages.

20 minutes ago, IridiumR6 said:

Here’s a list I’ve played a couple times on the casual side with success. I’m thinking about taking it to a store tournament and see how it does in a more competitive setting.

RE Rey’s Fives

(73) Rey [Scavenged YT-1300]
(6) Korr Sella
(10) Finn
(4) Stealth Device
(5) Rey's Millennium Falcon
Points: 98

(36) Tallissan Lintra [RZ-2 A-wing]
(1) Heroic
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 41

(55) Nien Nunb [T-70 X-wing]
(0) Integrated S-foils
(1) Heroic
(5) Pattern Analyzer
Points: 61

Total points: 200

No bid I know but overall seems solid.

I would drop stealth device for Black One on Nien, and then either crack shot on Tallie and a 1 point “bid” or just a 2 point bid.

Important I5 lists to try and outbid either have no bid or a tiny 1-2 point bid (other Resistance 5 lists or Obi-Wan + ARCs), or the bid is so astronomical it’s better to punish the opponent for wasting so many points (some Anakin/Obi/Ric builds).

At least, from what I have seen and heard about. I’m not a competitive player, I just follow the competitive scene as I am able to, do grain of salt and all that.

What is Suddenly Rey?

Also what's your fav Rey builds? I prefer slim, cuz the Res-Falcon doesn't have the health for bloat.

I don't naked is the right call. (Not PG-13 either)

Slimmest I've considered is Heightened + Title.

But I think I'd rather have Heightened, Korr Sella, Title.

Is Finn REALLY necessary?

1 hour ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

I think of it a little differently. I don’t think there’s really much of a cost problem... You can still cram 5 A-Wings, or 4 T-70s into a list. That’s fairly on par with Rebels, just with less room for upgrades and more tricks inherently built into the ships. But it feels to me more of an impact if you lose one of those A-Wings or T-70s.

I wouldn’t say Soontir, or Wedge, or Guri, or Vader, or Anakin, etc. are at all expendable. But rather that within those factions you can easily find filler ships that you can treat in an expendable manner. Soontir is not expendable, but Alpha interceptors and Planetary Sentinel strikers are. So are Pheonix or even Green squadron RZ-1s, Blue Squadron B-Wings, most generic scum, the generic clone pilots for the Republic, and like 90% of the entire Seperatist faction. But with the Resistance I don’t get that feeling, no matter how many RZ-2s I can fit in a list... There’s just something about the way they play and the feel of their ships that makes me feel like they all have to outperform in ways different from what I’d normally expect of a squadron.

I think we might be talking at cross-purposes.

There's no-expendable-filler (thematically interesting, and probably fine when it comes to balance), then there's everything in the faction having a bit of Sisyphus' task of rolling a boulder up a hill (potentially an issue... maybe that hill's too steep and that boulder is too heavy).

Seems a lot harder for Ello Asty with Heroic to earn back 57 points for the list than Wedge or Soontir with Predator. Or Poe to earn is 71+ points compared to Fenn Rau or Guri (depending on how loaded he is). Or a Resistance Bomber compared to a Upsilon. Somewhat different roles, to be sure, but given that the game is always won by destroying the opponent, *shrug*.

I mean, if Resistance have a harder time earning their cost back, maybe their costs are a bit too high.

9 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

What is Suddenly Rey?

Also what's your fav Rey builds? I prefer slim, cuz the Res-Falcon doesn't have the health for bloat.

I don't naked is the right call. (Not PG-13 either)

Slimmest I've considered is Heightened + Title.

But I think I'd rather have Heightened, Korr Sella, Title.

Is Finn REALLY necessary?

Throwing on Finn and Rose feels really good. Finn’s blank can either be modified by Rey’s ability or used to fuel Rose. It hits hard, though is quite expensive (and ultimately should, just needs some adjustment).

Is there a better build for something like this?

Rey (73)
Heightened Perception (3)
Korr Sella (6)
Rey’s Millennium Falcon (5)

Nodin Chavdri (36)
Jamming Beam (0)
R4 Astromech (2)

Poe Dameron (68)
Crack Shot (1)
R2 Astromech (4)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Jamming Beam (0)
Total: 200

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

11 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

Is there a better build for something like this?

Rey (73)
Heightened Perception (3)
Korr Sella (6)
Rey’s Millennium Falcon (5)

Nodin Chavdri (36)
Jamming Beam (0)
R4 Astromech (2)

Poe Dameron (68)
Crack Shot (1)
R2 Astromech (4)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Jamming Beam (0)
Total: 200

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

If you wouldn’t mind, talk me through this Nodin. Have you used it yet?
Just looking at the list, it seems that Nodin is there as support for Rey’s action economy. But things like the red coordinate and when he uses his ability makes his help intermittent, at best.

1 minute ago, SabineKey said:

If you wouldn’t mind, talk me through this Nodin. Have you used it yet?
Just looking at the list, it seems that Nodin is there as support for Rey’s action economy. But things like the red coordinate and when he uses his ability makes his help intermittent, at best.

I haven't. Looking for advice.

Oh right. I see. Yeah that's not useful at all...

4 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

I haven't. Looking for advice.

Oh right. I see. Yeah that's not useful at all...

Gotcha.

Hmm. I like the idea behind Nodin, but kind of feel he needs Korr to really work out. But then, Rey doesn’t have Korr.
I’d recommend replacing Nodin. For a coordinate buddy, the generic transport with Tactical Officer is the same points. Also at 38 points is a Blue Squadron Recruit with Heroic (or other 1 point talent of your preference) and Advanced Optics, a jaunty little blocker with some consistent damage potential. You could go for a lighter third ship to try to beef Rey up more, but I tend to think the slimmer the Falcon, the better.

1 hour ago, theBitterFig said:

I think we might be talking at cross-purposes.

There's no-expendable-filler (thematically interesting, and probably fine when it comes to balance), then there's everything in the faction having a bit of Sisyphus' task of rolling a boulder up a hill (potentially an issue... maybe that hill's too steep and that boulder is too heavy).

Seems a lot harder for Ello Asty with Heroic to earn back 57 points for the list than Wedge or Soontir with Predator. Or Poe to earn is 71+ points compared to Fenn Rau or Guri (depending on how loaded he is). Or a Resistance Bomber compared to a Upsilon. Somewhat different roles, to be sure, but given that the game is always won by destroying the opponent, *shrug*.

I mean, if Resistance have a harder time earning their cost back, maybe their costs are a bit too high.

I don’t think they have necessarily a harder time earning their points back. In the example you gave, a 57pts Ello Asty compared to Soontir or Wedge with Predator, leaves out some important things to consider...

Soontir has increadible action economy if he lands something in his bullseye, but is effectively flying a more-lethal Tie Fighter in terms of survivability. Wedge is a powerhouse, as he cuts down the number of agility dice rolled for whoever he’s attacking. He can be exceedingly lethal. Ello Asty is an initiative 5 T-70 pilot who has an extra shield on Wedge, and an extra 3 shields and hull on Soontir. His action economy isn’t on par with Soontir, and his attack potential isn’t quite as deadly as Wedge. But neither Wedge nor Soontir are flying a 7 hit point ship that can white Tallon Roll so long as he has less than 3 stress tokens.

You don’t earn your points back with Ello by treating him as a “not as good as Wedge or Soontir.” You get your points back with him by treating him as the I-5 beefy T-70 he is, who can Tallon Roll with impunity.

3 hours ago, Blail Blerg said:

What is Suddenly Rey?

It's a squad concept where you have a GA-97 carrier (usually Han) who keeps Rey in reserve for the first few turns. Then she emerges, undamaged, to swoop in from a good angle and eat someone's face.

Re comparing t-70s to other aces, it's as One if Ours pointed out. They're not remotely similar outside of initiative, except for Poe

Poe at 68 mirrors Fenn at also 68. Seems fair to me

For Ello, it's all about manueverability (sort of a faction theme there). Specifically, it's about appreciating what a white t-roll does for you once it gets you behind the enemy. You gain a ridiculous positioning advantage over other forward arc ships

As I learned with 1st Ed defenders, Soontir & co are FAR less impressive after you've white k-ed behind them

44 minutes ago, ChahDresh said:

It's a squad concept where you have a GA-97 carrier (usually Han) who keeps Rey in reserve for the first few turns. Then she emerges, undamaged, to swoop in from a good angle and eat someone's face.

Yeah, a fully kitted out Rey behind you is a terrifying experience.

10 minutes ago, Octarine-08 said:

Yeah, a fully kitted out Rey behind you is a terrifying experience.

GA-97 is really good to use with heavy hitters like Rey, Poe, or even an MG-100 space prawn. Being able to hold back something that you want to be one of your clinch hitters until after the alpha strikes and initial engagements is awesome.

And yeah... a kitted out Rey doesn’t give you a safeword when she’s coming in from behind...

2 minutes ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

GA-97 is really good to use with heavy hitters like Rey, Poe, or even an MG-100 space prawn. Being able to hold back something that you want to be one of your clinch hitters until after the alpha strikes and initial engagements is awesome.

I tried it with Cat. It... wasn't great, not really. I feel like the firepower should be better for the effort I'm putting into it, and the ship is still a lumbering target after you get your best shot in.

Rey's another story.

Incidentally, how've you been loading Rey? I put the title on Han to help him dance while GA-97 counts down, so Rey doesn't get it. A lot of the upgrade slots for Rey underwhelm me. I've been sticking with just Finn and Leia. Finn is self-evidently correct. I know Leia and Rey are always fighting over Leia's force point, but that ability is just so good.

7 minutes ago, ChahDresh said:

I tried it with Cat. It... wasn't great, not really. I feel like the firepower should be better for the effort I'm putting into it, and the ship is still a lumbering target after you get your best shot in.

Rey's another story.

Incidentally, how've you been loading Rey? I put the title on Han to help him dance while GA-97 counts down, so Rey doesn't get it. A lot of the upgrade slots for Rey underwhelm me. I've been sticking with just Finn and Leia. Finn is self-evidently correct. I know Leia and Rey are always fighting over Leia's force point, but that ability is just so good.

Mostly I’ve used GA-97 with loaded up Poe. Black One makes it so they can’t even hide in the middle of the board without him screaming in for some thrilling heroics.

With Rey... I don’t know. I haven’t found a build that I’ve fallen in love with, yet. Finn is pretty much a given for the gunner. But I can’t figure out what Force power or crew to give her. And I keep going back to Engine Upgrade, even if she doesn’t exactly need it. I also tend to build her rather thicc... Probably a bit more than she really needs to be.

9 hours ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

Mostly I’ve used GA-97 with loaded up Poe. Black One makes it so they can’t even hide in the middle of the board without him screaming in for some thrilling heroics.

Indeed. I've seen a build with SUDDENLY POE using outmanoeuvre and focus/locked advanced proton torpedoes. That just feels a bit mean, frankly.

9 hours ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

With Rey... I don’t know. I haven’t found a build that I’ve fallen in love with, yet. Finn is pretty much a given for the gunner. But I can’t figure out what Force power or crew to give her. And I keep going back to Engine Upgrade, even if she doesn’t exactly need it. I also tend to build her rather thicc... Probably a bit more than she really needs to be.

There really are no force powers that suit her which is very sad... She pays for the slot but has no use for it, given the current selection I'd rather have an EPT slot for her.

1 hour ago, Lyynark said:

There really are no force powers that suit her which is very sad... She pays for the slot but has no use for it, given the current selection I'd rather have an EPT slot for her.

I don't think that would help. What EPT goes on Rey? That's slim pickings too for a Falcon, though at least it's not draining her Force. I guess Lone Wolf wouldn't feel terrible? Frankly, the perfect Force power for Rey exists already. It's called Hate. Gosh, can you imagine Hate on Rey? Maybe it's just as well she can't take it.

25 minutes ago, ChahDresh said:

I don't think that would help. What EPT goes on Rey? That's slim pickings too for a Falcon, though at least it's not draining her Force. I guess Lone Wolf wouldn't feel terrible? Frankly, the perfect Force power for Rey exists already. It's called Hate. Gosh, can you imagine Hate on Rey? Maybe it's just as well she can't take it.

While there might not be all that much to choose from the EPT pickings are better. I'd consider any of these on Rey if she were to suddenly have an EPT:

• Heroic - It would be really dirty in conjunction with Finn gunner. So much in fact that it is a good thing she can't take an EPT. Her defense would be through the roof!
• Trick shot - Extra attack dice are always nice.
• Lone Wolf - would work out nicely.
• Crack shot - It's only one point but does carry benefit.

Sense is good wherever you can put it

And we got the Awings with which to exploit it

Generally, though, I highly doubt you pay for the Force slot as much as you pay by having it.

It's an essential balancing factor that keeps passive mods out of the already passive modified

Except baby bananakin flying the otherwise unimpressive n1

5 hours ago, Lyynark said:

There really are no force powers that suit her

As noted, I think Sense (depending on the rest of your squad) and Heightened Perception are basically all I've ever considered. But she's fine without one.

I've been flying this tool box list recently, and its really fun and pretty decent (16-10 in tournaments with it including a hst top 8).

A medium deal

(36) Greer Sonnel [RZ-2 A-wing]
(1) Heroic
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 41

(38) Cova Nell [Resistance Transport]
(2) R4 Astromech
(19) Leia Organa
(1) Heroic
Points: 60

(29) Finn [Resistance Transport Pod]
(8) Perceptive Copilot
(1) Heroic
Points: 38

(55) Nien Nunb [T-70 X-wing]
(0) Integrated S-foils
(1) Heroic
(5) Pattern Analyzer
Points: 61

Total points: 200

Cova with Leia is just so fun, and R4 for when you want to let Finn do a red and still action but still trigger Cova's ability, letting you fly Cova without much downtime (you can even use Leia and R4 to make the red 1 turn blue!).

Finn, Greer and Nien do exactly what you'd expect them to do in this list, and I vary my tactics based on the enemy list.

The fact you have 4 very different ships in a list keeps this list fun to fly, and while I keep meaning to try out other lists, im not bored of this one yet.