I'd love to get dreadnoughts.
For me, would probably get at least four of them, the old but rugged design is one that I love
Confirmed: Imperial Support Ship is a Dreadnaught Class Heavy Cruiser!
21 minutes ago, Wintercross said:I'd love to get dreadnoughts.
For me, would probably get at least four of them, the old but rugged design is one that I love
Especially if it works as a ship that fights well in a line of battle with the Arquitens light cruiser.
34 minutes ago, Spectre8174 said:Especially if it works as a ship that fights well in a line of battle with the Arquitens light cruiser.
Be nice to have more broadside ships for the Empire, that's for sure.
15 hours ago, RogueCorona said:Honestly wins like that have always been Thrawn's forte. And it seems to me that fighter lasers are much more effective against Capital ship shields and armor in the new canon compared to Legends. And how many of those thirty ships were Dreadnaughts? We know the insurgent fleet's thirty ships also included some GR-75s and Gozantis, both much weaker then Dreadnaughts, along with some midsized ships that never had their class identified.
In the comic, only two of the ships are dreadnaughts. The rest are really small ships.
Sorry. Stupid data limits. But you can see only two dreadnaught in the full image. Also, right there you can see Chimaera using her turbolasers against the dreadnaughts.
11 hours ago, Ling27 said:Im sorry, do you forget the Vong... the,
"We didnt know what could fight Jedi at this point... so we made force immune, bioengineering people from a different galaxy to invade and be a mega-threat..."
Because some of those designs are ugly.
Nearly all of the designs that have artwork are ugly, but some like coralskippers were called beautiful by Lando and others in the novels. I think that there might have been a bit of a disconnect between the artists and writers.
I want this ship more than any Clone War Expansion FFG could conceive of.
Which I figure also means we're not going to get it anytime soon, since I have the same hope for the Nebulon-B2, MC40a, and the TIE Avenger for X-Wing.
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Edited by NorsehoundOn 10/13/2019 at 1:28 AM, RogueCorona said:Not quite. More having a pre-World War I 20th century ship in a World War II fleet. Technology just doesn't advance fast enough in Star Wars for a sailing warship in modern navy comparison for a dreadnought in the GCW era.
Second to playing Armada, my favorite game is to see how long a thread takes to derail into WWII strategy discussion. This one might be a new record.
Also, the dreadnought is hideous.
On 10/13/2019 at 7:55 AM, Drasnighta said:... Which means Thrawn's 96th Task Force was ready, willing, and likely able to fight off Thirty of them.
And in fact, had reduced their numbers by 2/3rd with TIE Fighters alone, before the Chimaera even had to warm up her Turbolasers.......
... That's really going to reflect poorly on them. The Dreadnoughts of Old, they are not, it seems...
And Vader crippled/destroyed Phoenix Home with just the laser cannons on a single Advanced x1.
And a single bombing run of ion bombs and a hammerhead ramming maneuver took out 2 Imperial Star Destroyers.
Rule of cool takes over in movies and shows, just because it happened on screen doesn’t mean it will work out that way in the game.
Heck, 90% of the starfighters we see get shot down get destroyed by a single shot/volley from other starfighters.
3 hours ago, FatherTurin said:And Vader crippled/destroyed Phoenix Home with just the laser cannons on a single Advanced x1.
And a single bombing run of ion bombs and a hammerhead ramming maneuver took out 2 Imperial Star Destroyers.
Rule of cool takes over in movies and shows, just because it happened on screen doesn’t mean it will work out that way in the game.
Heck, 90% of the starfighters we see get shot down get destroyed by a single shot/volley from other starfighters.
I know, but shouldn’t suspension of belief get easier / or at least be dismissed by individual character plot armour, rather than be part of an overall thing?
It is certainly a marked reduction of where it was in the past - ow, Being said, I’m not sure tgats a bad thing, either.
So long as it has forward facing ions, I think the majority can get behind it.
I mean,Phoenix Home was a small ship. Not too unreal if you consider the TIE Advanced X1 to be an elite ship with boosted laser cannon. Also, it has missiles in canon.
As for the the SDs in Rogue One, That shoud not count as an example of rule of cool. Those Star Destroyers just dueled an entire Rebel fleet. Even after that, only one seemed to have lost its shields leaving it open to an ion warhead attack. It was that ship that got shoved into the other one. None of that was easy nor was it just a bunch of fighters taking out a SD.
In any case, the conversation is moot cause as I pointed out only two Dreadnaughts are present in the Bataan fleet and even in that picture you can see Star Destroyer firing turbolasers at them. We're arguing about how good a ship is if TIEs take it out when the comic (the only source for there being dreadnaughts there besides ultimate star war referencing it) shows a Star Destroyers turbolasers being used to take them out.
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On 10/12/2019 at 5:16 PM, CMDR Kastor said:I've never been a fan of the dreadnaught but at least the fan renders where palatable. That version looks truely aweful. The 90s called, they want their low poly spaceship back.
The Dreadnaught Class was from 1989. And those words hurt.
Holds Armada Scale laser printed Dreadnaught close to heart.
”There, there now, big bad @CMDR Kastor didn’t mean what he said. Who’s a good heavy cruiser, who’s a good heavy cruiser?”
”You are! You are!”
Sigh.
The things I do to keep Imperial morale up since Grand Moff Tarkin went to that big moisture farm upstate.
16 hours ago, ArmaggedonPSA said:Second to playing Armada, my favorite game is to see how long a thread takes to derail into WWII strategy discussion. This one might be a new record.
Amateurs**
In this thread I managed to incorporate World War II, later half of the 20th century Argentina Air Force, and modern day North Korea tactics all in one post to make a point. All while making tacos for lunch.
** I’m kidding.
I find it to be weird, that the imperial support vessel is actually a combat support ship (even modular, how un-imperial). I always assumed that it was logistical - or something similar - in nature. The empire already has a lot of different combat ship classes. They want to communicate a message of unity and - more importantly - uniformity. To many different designs in the representative parts of the navy screw up that message. That's why the universal dagger shape and the comparatively limited amount of different classes is just thematic, psychology. The back end can do what it wants though.
1 hour ago, LennoxPoodle said:The empire already has a lot of different combat ship classes.
I feel quite the opposite. The Empire and all Star Wars navies for that matter have way to few ship classes to feel like a realistic navy.
3 hours ago, LordCola said:I feel quite the opposite. The Empire and all Star Wars navies for that matter have way to few ship classes to feel like a realistic navy.
Well let's see:
Raider - Probably intelligence, black ops and other such small scale, low profile operations, most notably support of special forces. Maybe pursuit of specific targets is among there duties.
Quasar Fire - Fighter support for smaller scale (ground) operations.
Arquitens - Patrol, communications, show of flag and other such age-of-sail-frigate like second line missions. Befitting for the empires mentality, that they use a bit overkill for this. The message it sends is obvious.
ISD (I+II)(+Victory, kind of) - System pacification, troop transport and battle line. The latter is rarely the case, since the empire doesn't really have an equal footed enemy until it falls apart.
Tector - Probably battle line only, bolstering up ISD formations.
SSD - Flagship and anchor/center for larger units.
This involves a lot of speculation, but illustrates, how pretty much any combat expecting role could be fulfilled. Also I left out a lot of support stuff like Arrestors, Interdictors and Gozantis (Armed transport mostly).
Not sure how modularity would break the theme of the Empire. Not every planet requires a Star Destroyer or even a light cruiser. It allows them to cover a lot of bases without having a new ship for every situation. The Dreadnaught in this continuity would essentially fill the role that the Strike Class cruiser had in the old continuity.
In any case, only the weapon pods are changeable. The rest of the ship would be standardized. We have a definition for modular from the dictionary:
Designed with standardized units or dimensions, as for easy assembly and repair or flexible arrangement and use.
Standardized units or dimensions sounds pretty Imperial to me.
On 10/12/2019 at 3:29 PM, LordCola said:Literally nobody ever said that.
FFG never said that they will stop releasing GCW faction ships with the start of the CW factions.
Why not? They've done exactly that for X-Wing. The Rebel and Imperial factions have not had a new starfighter released in Second Edition (the last new "Rebel" model was all the way back in Wave 12 (2017), since Wave 13 had the Resistance Bomber and Wave 14 just had repaints of Saw's X-Wing and U-Wing). FFG has basically said that they see the Rebel and Imperial factions in X-Wing as basically "completed" barring some substantial new material from Disney.
Caveat: the upcoming "card only packs" include a few new pilots for each of the seven factions, flying ship models that already exist within that faction. So it will be the first "new" content that Rebs/Imps get, but it just gives them more card-based options for the ships they already have (and have already had since the end of 1.0).
Based on this, it seems more likely than not that the next few years of new Armada models focus exclusively on the Clone Wars era. Could also watch Legion to see how many new Rebel or Imperial releases come out in the next few waves once Clone Wars armies start dropping product.
1 hour ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:Why not? They've done exactly that for X-Wing. The Rebel and Imperial factions have not had a new starfighter released in Second Edition (the last new "Rebel" model was all the way back in Wave 12 (2017), since Wave 13 had the Resistance Bomber and Wave 14 just had repaints of Saw's X-Wing and U-Wing). FFG has basically said that they see the Rebel and Imperial factions in X-Wing as basically "completed" barring some substantial new material from Disney.
Caveat: the upcoming "card only packs" include a few new pilots for each of the seven factions, flying ship models that already exist within that faction. So it will be the first "new" content that Rebs/Imps get, but it just gives them more card-based options for the ships they already have (and have already had since the end of 1.0).
Based on this, it seems more likely than not that the next few years of new Armada models focus exclusively on the Clone Wars era. Could also watch Legion to see how many new Rebel or Imperial releases come out in the next few waves once Clone Wars armies start dropping product.
What do you mean "why not?" that question doesn't even make sense. I don't know why FFG hasn't said that they will stop releasing GCW content. AFAIK they just haven't said that. If you want to disagree, then please show me a quote where they say that.
Also, have you even read my post?
1 hour ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:FFG has basically said that they see the Rebel and Imperial factions in X-Wing as basically "completed" barring some substantial new material from Disney.
On 10/12/2019 at 9:29 PM, LordCola said:FFG did mention that they are slowly starting to run out of ships to add to the game, which is why they are introducing new factions.
1 hour ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:Based on this, it seems more likely than not that the next few years of new Armada models focus exclusively on the Clone Wars era.
On 10/12/2019 at 9:29 PM, LordCola said:Their focus will undoubtedly be on the new factions for some time
Like, I agree with you. I just pointed out that there was never any confirmation that they will now stop releasing GCW content. (And I do think that there are some ships in canon that will likely still come to the game. But that will take some time because their focus will now first be on the new factions)
2 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:
Why not? They've done exactly that for X-Wing. The Rebel and Imperial factions have not had a new starfighter released in Second Edition (the last new "Rebel" model was all the way back in Wave 12 (2017), since Wave 13 had the Resistance Bomber and Wave 14 just had repaints of Saw's X-Wing and U-Wing). FFG has basically said that they see the Rebel and Imperial factions in X-Wing as basically "completed" barring some substantial new material from Disney.
Caveat: the upcoming "card only packs" include a few new pilots for each of the seven factions, flying ship models that already exist within that faction. So it will be the first "new" content that Rebs/Imps get, but it just gives them more card-based options for the ships they already have (and have already had since the end of 1.0).
Based on this, it seems more likely than not that the next few years of new Armada models focus exclusively on the Clone Wars era. Could also watch Legion to see how many new Rebel or Imperial releases come out in the next few waves once Clone Wars armies start dropping product.
When a new film/series during the Rebellion era will feature a new rebel fighter they will for sure bring it to X-wing. I also remember reading somewhere that stated that the Empire was due 1 new ship in x-wing. Likely the Tie/rb from Solo.
They just are running out of canon options to bring and are unlikely to ho deep into EU sadly.
I fully expect Empire and Rebels to still get something for Armada, but expect the focus to go fully to Clone wars for a while to get those factions up with the 2 already fleshed out factions
Yeah, I think it's going to be a long time till the GCW sees a new ship after this next wave. Heck, FFG can't even get reprints out the door for the existing stock, and when they launch the CW stuff, they are going to need to give it several waves of expansions in fairly rapid succession to get them up to a point where they are competitive with the GCW era factions. So even if the new SW material coming out on various platforms produces something that FFG would want to do for the GCW, it's likely going to go on the back burner for at least 2 - 3 years.
11 hours ago, kmanweiss said:Yeah, I think it's going to be a long time till the GCW sees a new ship after this next wave. Heck, FFG can't even get reprints out the door for the existing stock, and when they launch the CW stuff, they are going to need to give it several waves of expansions in fairly rapid succession to get them up to a point where they are competitive with the GCW era factions. So even if the new SW material coming out on various platforms produces something that FFG would want to do for the GCW, it's likely going to go on the back burner for at least 2 - 3 years.
I was sure they stated on Stream that their plan was to try to mirror the legion release idea, in that 1 in 5 releases would be for the original factions.
Was either stream or q&a, I don’t remember
Don't care, CW ships will automatically become usable in the GCW, for either the Rebels or the Empire. Just in need of a repaint!
Now give me Dreadnoughts that can be used for ALL time periods!
I will take any of the 3 designs. The original sleeker design, the Fractal Sponge heavier looking redesign, or even the Imperial Support Ship design!
Better yet, give me all 3, and make them different designs for different eras of the same line of ship! Kinda like 3 different versions of the the Chevrolet Corvette, with 30 years between each model. They all have just enough similarities to be "Corvettes", but enough differences to show that they were designed in completely different eras.
Sell me more ships FFG! Take my money!
On 10/19/2019 at 2:16 AM, Drasnighta said:I was sure they stated on Stream that their plan was to try to mirror the legion release idea, in that 1 in 5 releases would be for the original factions.
Was either stream or q&a, I don’t remember
Wave 4 released 8/2016. Wave 8 optimistically released Nov or Dec of 2019. So 2-3 years? LOL