So just looking at North America, rough estimates;

Vegas-27

B.C- 27

Virginia-19

Washington- 58 (nice!)

North Carolina- 36

Kansas- 17

Ontario- 22

Maryland - 42

Michigan- 34

Iowa- 20

Florida- 54

Colorado- 34

Ontario Canada- 26

Bellevue Washington- 62 (wow!)

Kansas- 19

Alberta- 37

Montana- 12

Newfoundland- 10

Alaska- 13

California - 46

Denton TX - 37

Indiana- 37

Overland park - 21

Idaho- 18

littleton CO- 40

Ottawa- 17

Sacramento- 64 (the highest USA)

Norton MA- 25

North Carolina- 48

Virginia- 38

Spokane- 17

Minnesota- 34

Wisconsin- 40

Hawaii- 16

Missouri- 25

Mississippi- 11

Kentucky- 30

New Jersey- 48

Ohio- 49

Arizona- 43

California- 47

Nebraska- 27

Florida- 43

Pittsburgh- 25

1415 players total across 44 North American HSTs= average attendance is 32. The 50 barrier got broken only 4 times out of 43. Is that in line with Regional attendances from 1.0? Seems really low...

Don't forget Pittsburgh. Only 25, yikes.

20 minutes ago, player3010587 said:

Don't forget Pittsburgh. Only 25, yikes.

updated, thanks

Hyperspacetrial in Switzerland, (the only one we got): 19 Players

Storechamp last year (almost last torunament with 1.0): 26 Players

Regional in Bern (25th Feb.18) with 1.0: 40 Players

Reginal in Zürich (25th March 18) with 1.0: 35 Players

Do you wish us to draw certain conclusions from this data set?

Regional just sounds better.

The OP structure from the get go was confusing, between Seasonal Kits, Hyperspace Trials, Wave Kits Deluxe Wave kits, etc., etc., Perhaps that added to the lower numbers compared to regional events from 1.0

I don’t mind so much. It allowed me to make top 16 for my dice at long last

2 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

I don’t mind so much. It allowed me to make top 16 for my dice at long last

Likewise.

There are a lot more HTs in the UK than there were regionals.

Last Saturday, there were at least 3. Average attendance around 30, so 90 players on one day. There is another one in my area next Saturday and a third one the week after.

Regionals used to get between 60 and 90, and there were 3 I went to each year. I will attend 6 HTs, some people are attending more.

Totals are higher now, but each one is smaller.

The things which are missing out are the ordinary store events - we haven't had any Wave Championships since Jan/Feb, and seasonal kit events seem to have disappeared since Easter.

Hyperspace Trials are glorified Store Champs. The only regional level one was the June SoCal one of 89 players and I believe that was actually the largest in the world so far, which is sad.

1 hour ago, Gilarius said:

Likewise.

There are a lot more HTs in the UK than there were regionals.

Agreed - Minnesota was only listed once but we have had quite a few more this year overall. I can think of 3-4 easy when it used to be just ffg Game Center plus one (and ffg is always a crowded one - no luck for scrubs there to do well).

Due to changes in the event structure (Hyperspace instead of Regionals, Grands instead of Nationals, "something" instead of Store Championships) number of events of each category raised significantly while prestige dropped.

Now there's HS at every corner, prizes are more spread (like dices top16 in compare to top8 previous Regionals).

This weeks France Grand Championships 2019 had like 75 players which is half of the number last years French Nationals.

I don't like the change, but I can understand it - I believe it is done to have more fair spread of "national" level (so "Grands" now) of tournaments in Europe and America (previously there was only 2 Natio in America - USA and Canada compared to like 10 in Europe. Now its more even it terms of "Grands")

At first, I thought it was pretty cool so much prizing would be available. Now, I'm not so sure. Having Trial dice doesn't mean a whole lot. Even templates are kind of just okay . Focus/Evade tokens are given out like candy. Of all the Trial prizing I have, I only use the defense dice. The attack dice are a pain to read and half the people I play locally have all of it as well. I think the drop in prestige from winning stuff makes it a little less exciting to win and definitely less exciting to use (for me).

Hopefully the new structure for next year will see a return to previous form. Even if I never win any of it, at least it's something to reach for, as opposed to "oh, I showed up and didn't **** the bed, so I got all this stuff...like a bazillion other people".

2 minutes ago, gennataos said:

At first, I thought it was pretty cool so much prizing would be available. Now, I'm not so sure. Having Trial dice doesn't mean a whole lot. Even templates are kind of just okay . Focus/Evade tokens are given out like candy. Of all the Trial prizing I have, I only use the defense dice. The attack dice are a pain to read and half the people I play locally have all of it as well. I think the drop in prestige from winning stuff makes it a little less exciting to win and definitely less exciting to use (for me).

Hopefully the new structure for next year will see a return to previous form. Even if I never win any of it, at least it's something to reach for, as opposed to "oh, I showed up and didn't **** the bed, so I got all this stuff...like a bazillion other people".

I painted my red attack dice with orange paint, now I can actually use the **** dice. They turned out amazing.

I mean I used permanent marker, I promise.

2 minutes ago, Quack Shot said:

I painted my red attack dice with orange paint, now I can actually use the **** dice. They turned out amazing.

I mean I used permanent marker, I promise.

I think I was following a thread where you talked about that. I did it to one of mine to test (a totally legal change, I promise), and it's definitely improved, but never got around to doing more. Given my Poe love affair (rivaling Finn's), that would look pretty nice. Hmmmm.....

58 minutes ago, Gilarius said:

The things which are missing out are the ordinary store events - we haven't had any Wave Championships since Jan/Feb, and seasonal kit events seem to have disappeared since Easter.

This is what bothers me, personally. After the last CAC I kind of decided that, "I'm getting too old for this ****" and I no longer plan on attending any 6 round type of tournaments because I just stop enjoying it after about Game 4, but I had a ton of fun taking part in the local seasonal / wave kit events that took place at my store which were much smaller, sometimes spread out over weeks.

As far as Hyperspace Trial attendance, I would suspect the larger number of Trials happening to spread attendance out, since most people are not going to attend every single one, although there is a smaller subset of people that will try to attend as many as possible.

As well, Hyperspace is a crap format /s

1 hour ago, Quack Shot said:

I painted my red attack dice with orange paint, now I can actually use the **** dice. They turned out amazing.

I mean I used permanent marker, I promise.

If dice are markered can they be used at OP events?

7 hours ago, player3010587 said:

Don't forget Pittsburgh. Only 25, yikes.

This was also the same weekend as the NOVA open...

2 hours ago, Gilarius said:

The things which are missing out are the ordinary store events - we haven't had any Wave Championships since Jan/Feb, and seasonal kit events seem to have disappeared since Easter.

I haven't even seen FFG G19X3 & FFG G19X4 kits advertised. The season 3 kit actually made it out and no one ever even really knew they were out there.

I think it was just bad OP design. The Hyperspace Trial cannibalized both the widespread and accessible Store Championship (my state went from 4 store champs last year, to 0 HST... 🤬 ) and the bigger and more prestigious regional.

3 hours ago, Gilarius said:

The things which are missing out are the ordinary store events - we haven't had any Wave Championships since Jan/Feb, and seasonal kit events seem to have disappeared since Easter.

This. I'm kind of fine with missing out on really large events, so long as small markets can have their own smaller events. But there's less of those, too.

1 hour ago, gennataos said:

At first, I thought it was pretty cool so much prizing would be available. Now, I'm not so sure. Having Trial dice doesn't mean a whole lot. Even templates are kind of just okay . Focus/Evade tokens are given out like candy. Of all the Trial prizing I have, I only use the defense dice. The attack dice are a pain to read and half the people I play locally have all of it as well. I think the drop in prestige from winning stuff makes it a little less exciting to win and definitely less exciting to use (for me).

Hopefully the new structure for next year will see a return to previous form. Even if I never win any of it, at least it's something to reach for, as opposed to "oh, I showed up and didn't **** the bed, so I got all this stuff...like a bazillion other people".

I guess I disagree. You still have to do well to get the prizes. And before when they were harder to find, the same best players would go to every event, win them all, and sell them on eBay. People bought them, so in the end unless you knew the person by reputation it meant nothing to have the swag.

With it more distributed, it feels (no data to back this) like the drive to resell rare stuff is lower because it’s less rare, and it’s harder for the same elite few to control all the product in a region. Additionally with more events to go to, the top gang doesn’t show to all of them.

I really like this because I enjoy having attainable swag. I still have to work for it, but at least I CAN do it instead of the same 8 guys pushing us out every place for the elite goodies.

21 minutes ago, Whalers on the moon said:

This was also the same weekend as the NOVA open...

Next year expect the numbers to flip.

31 minutes ago, Cloaker said:

If dice are markered can they be used at OP events?

I believe the rules state that permanent marker can be used to indicate dice ownership, but any paint or anything is not allowed

5 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

People bought them, so in the end unless you knew the person by reputation it meant nothing to have the swag.

I always pay the iron price, so it at least means something to me!

It figures that just when I have access to a laser cutter that they make prizes more attainable. At least my custom tokens are still unlike anything else out there.

I too use the greens from the HST and leave the reds at home. Been using my HST template set, but I'm seriously considering going to a custom set because those blue on clear templates are super hard to see sometimes amongst all the other components.