The return of the... Wedge

By Grand Admiral Buford, in X-Wing

25 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Not a guarantee, and only marginally likely, but there is a chance they will try to pay homage to the family that captained it through parts of 3 separate episodes. And yes, I know that wasn't the same part of the Antilles family. Do the writers and producers know that though?

Well they’ve obviously shown they don’t care about characters backstories, growth, or even how they should backslide, so probably whatever gets them more positive reviews. Although coming he definitely deserves his “Poe” moment (the one Poe got in TFA) from either a B-Wing or X-wing. Even have him pull something crazy with Poe and Snap and the rest of black squadron.

29 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

I’m not opposed. Clearly he lives.

Yes he indeed lives. After Endor:

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 blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Ackbar asks him to go scout an imperial planet. Get's captured and tortured for a month, Norra and and Young Snap help break him out. Then Leia has him form Phantom Squadron, think flying Tigers, similar to the resistance, or Wraith squadron if your familiar with the EU, basically filled with elite pilots that are eccentric, quirky, or washouts for bad behavior(oh and snap is in the squadron to). Phantom Squadron attacks Kashhykk as a favor to Han and Chewie (Han has resigned from the New Republic in order to fufill his debt to Chewie to help him liberate his home world... (Yeah, I'll take things that weren't in the OT or Solo for $500, Alex. But anyway)), without the new republics blessing. Phantom squadrons  strike is of course successful, the planet gets liberated, but the imperial remnant (or whatever they call themselves) whine about the unsanctioned attack even though the new republic is still at war with them. (???) Wedge and the rest of phantom squadron get to "Fly rubber dog **** out of hong kong" for a little while (Your best starfighter pilot is managing a hangar in the outer rim) until Snap convinces a depressed Wedge that he is actually a hero, and Wedge rounds up Phantom squadron to A-team it in time for the battle of Jakku. They clear some ground units and AA guns, and the NR welcomes Pilot Wedge back with open arms so he can officially retire from active service and serve as a flight instructor on the New Republic's capital of Hosnian Prime(Which is why I considered him good as dead but since we didn't see him die in TFA, and he's obviously back now, I am both glad and scared that he lived). 

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Okay how do spoiler tags work now I'm so lost.
46 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Not a guarantee, and only marginally likely, but there is a chance they will try to pay homage to the family that captained it through parts of 3 separate episodes. And yes, I know that wasn't the same part of the Antilles family. Do the writers and producers know that though?

Pablo Hidalgo actually clarified they weren't in the same family, and that it was a faaaairly common name in the galaxy.

So, yes.

The writers know more than us, and always will. They have an immense database that we do not.

theres a good chance that Wedges 'presence' is just Denis Lawson standing in the background without saying a word then he's suddenly killed. for no apparent reason.

1 hour ago, Tott said:

theres a good chance that Wedges 'presence' is just Denis Lawson standing in the background without saying a word then he's suddenly killed. for no apparent reason.

I strongly, strongly doubt that Lawson would agree to star in the film if that were the case. Why bother, when he could do something else which actually requires acting? The man is 72 years old, and has an active career in theatre and TV. He can afford to be picky at this point in his career.

2 minutes ago, AceDogbert said:

I strongly, strongly doubt that Lawson would agree to star in the film if that were the case. Why bother, when he could do something else which actually requires acting? The man is 72 years old, and has an active career in theatre and TV. He can afford to be picky at this point in his career.

A nice check for zero effort, why wouldn't he take it?

12 hours ago, LagJanson said:

Had some crummy freighter he was using to scout out Imperial forces in the first

Might have been a HWK, if I remember right?

He had a HH-87 Starhopper at the beginning of Aftermath 1.

11 minutes ago, eMeM said:

A nice check for zero effort, why wouldn't he take it?

Not being an actor, I'd guess that many actors would actually like to do something in a production. You have extras to be the silent people who get blown up to show how serious the situation is. It may only be a day of shooting, but Denis (or more accurately his agent) would need to find space in his calendar, he'd have to travel to where shooting is taking place (for such a small part, he'd have to fit the shooting schedule, not the other way around), go through all the rigmarole of 'security' and 'secrecy' surrounding the set, just to have no dialogue and nothing really to do.

Even if it were a big cheque (which I doubt it would be, even if Denis' character was well known in the fan community), that sounds like an awful lot of effort.

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12 minutes ago, AceDogbert said:

Not being an actor, I'd guess that many actors would actually like to do something in a production. You have extras to be the silent people who get blown up to show how serious the situation is. It may only be a day of shooting, but Denis (or more accurately his agent) would need to find space in his calendar, he'd have to travel to where shooting is taking place (for such a small part, he'd have to fit the shooting schedule, not the other way around), go through all the rigmarole of 'security' and 'secrecy' surrounding the set, just to have no dialogue and nothing really to do.

Even if it were a big cheque (which I doubt it would be, even if Denis' character was well known in the fan community), that sounds like an awful lot of effort.

Maybe he just wanted to show up in Star Wars, maybe he had some free time and happened to walk by the studio when they were shooting, maybe they shot his scenes in front of a blue screen, maybe he watched a YouTube video essay and decided TLJ is the best thing that happened to mankind and he absolutely has to be in its continuation, maybe he thought he will have a bigger role, maybe they just paid him enough. They got the original actor for Ackbar just to subvert his expectations, they paid Mark Hamill a fat bag of cash for ten silent seconds in TFA, anything is possible.

14 hours ago, JJ48 said:

Show of hands: who else is hoping (even if not expecting) to hear the phrase, "Yub, yub, Commander!"?

Absolutely yes please. This would be hilarious, even if it was just a subtle nod to those “in the know”. Maybe some small set up like a quip about Ewoks.

14 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Thaaaaat requires a looooooooot of pre-existing context to make any sense.

Not entirely. They’ve done subtle jokes before. And it can be psuedo explained by a line or two with the rest of the context making those of us who know find it that much better.

I have zero faith in it, but come on JJ don’t let me down

2 hours ago, eMeM said:

Maybe he just wanted to show up in Star Wars, maybe he had some free time and happened to walk by the studio when they were shooting, maybe they shot his scenes in front of a blue screen, maybe he watched a YouTube video essay and decided TLJ is the best thing that happened to mankind and he absolutely has to be in its continuation, maybe he thought he will have a bigger role, maybe they just paid him enough. They got the original actor for Ackbar just to subvert his expectations, they paid Mark Hamill a fat bag of cash for ten silent seconds in TFA, anything is possible.

Wow, you're stuck on this like a Mynock latched onto a power coupling. Good lords.

17 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

No, I suspect Wedge will be flying his old T-65.

That would be awesome!
(but I wish he will be piloting a T-85 - I really want to see her in a live action movie)

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1 minute ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Wow, you're stuck on this like a Mynock latched onto a power coupling. Good lords.

No u

2 hours ago, eMeM said:

Maybe he just wanted to show up in Star Wars, maybe he had some free time and happened to walk by the studio when they were shooting, maybe they shot his scenes in front of a blue screen, maybe he watched a YouTube video essay and decided TLJ is the best thing that happened to mankind and he absolutely has to be in its continuation, maybe he thought he will have a bigger role, maybe they just paid him enough. They got the original actor for Ackbar just to subvert his expectations, they paid Mark Hamill a fat bag of cash for ten silent seconds in TFA, anything is possible.

He was supposed to be the guy who hands the map to Poe and then gets executed by Emo boy in TFA, and he turned that down after learning what the role was.

The man wants to act and 1:30 in TFA didn’t cut it if he just wanted easy money.

i mean everyone has their price, and Disney would be willing to shell a lot for him to hype/sell the movie, but Denis Lawson said no before so I imagine him returning is going to mean something for the character.

If they kill him and he doesn’t go out Independence Day style or something I won’t forgive them for a long time and will probably start agreeing more with the “George buyback Star Wars “ group.

4 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

He was supposed to be the guy who hands the map to Poe and then gets executed by Emo boy in TFA, and he turned that down after learning what the role was.

The man wants to act and 1:30 in TFA didn’t cut it if he just wanted easy money.

i mean everyone has their price, and Disney would be willing to shell a lot for him to hype/sell the movie, but Denis Lawson said no before so I imagine him returning is going to mean something for the character.

That was what he said at first (although I never heard it with all those details) later he changed his story to:

“That’s falsely recorded, they did ask me to do it, frustratingly I wasn’t free. I would like to set that record straight. I was shooting on something else, I’d have loved to have done it… ask me again!”

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/12/09/denis-lawson-wedge-antilles-star-wars/

17 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

He was supposed to be the guy who hands the map to Poe and then gets executed by Emo boy in TFA, and he turned that down after learning what the role was.

The man wants to act and 1:30 in TFA didn’t cut it if he just wanted easy money.

i mean everyone has their price, and Disney would be willing to shell a lot for him to hype/sell the movie, but Denis Lawson said no before so I imagine him returning is going to mean something for the character.

If they kill him and he doesn’t go out Independence Day style or something I won’t forgive them for a long time and will probably start agreeing more with the “George buyback Star Wars “ group.

But you know they are gunna kill him right? Probably in a dumb way, just like all of our other old original saga heroes

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If Dennis Lawson portrayed Cuneiform Slapstick, as well as Wedge in Ep. IX, how would the community react? Furthermore, if Cuneiform Slapstick survives but Wedge doesn't, it'll be ok, right? I mean, Lawson's character still lives. Asking for a Despacito.

Heck, it just occurred to me how trivially easy it would be to have Lawson portray all Resistance pilots. I hope that is not only the case, but done so without any explanation. But each pilot has a different costume that can be seen through as Lawson.

3 hours ago, Gibbilo said:

But you know they are gunna kill him right? Probably in a dumb way, just like all of our other old original saga heroes

Oh give it a frakking rest. Leia, C-3P0, R2, and frankly Luke are still around. They've only actually killed Han Solo and Admiral Ackbar, and was one of those really a hero or just a guy with three lines in RoTJ?

Don't act like Ackbar was anything different. The dude was a meme.

Remember, Luke's still alive through the force. He may have died physically but you should know that barely matters in Star Wars.

****. Han and Luke both had meaningful deaths. If you can't see that then I'm really sorry.

58 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

They've only actually killed Han Solo and Admiral Ackbar, and was one of those really a hero or just a guy with three lines in RoTJ?

I'm pretty sure Han had more than three lines in RotJ...

1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Oh give it a frakking rest. Leia, C-3P0, R2, and frankly Luke are still around. They've only actually killed Han Solo and Admiral Ackbar, and was one of those really a hero or just a guy with three lines in RoTJ?

Don't act like Ackbar was anything different. The dude was a meme.

Remember, Luke's still alive through the force. He may have died physically but you should know that barely matters in Star Wars.

****. Han and Luke both had meaningful deaths. If you can't see that then I'm really sorry.

But then what would they be mad about? 😉

Half of what Star Wars fans hold as sacrosanct were featured in the original films for 30 seconds or less. They let the context of living with the original films for 30 years -- and absorbing the various tie-in materials, from books and comics to video games -- provide greater meaning and emphasis to elements of the story than the story itself ever did. How many X-Wing players list the TIE Interceptor as their favorite ship? Or the B-Wing? Or the A-Wing? All were given 30 seconds of screen time (or less!) in Return of the Jedi.

Suffice to say, I'm with you on this one. But that's just one man's opinion! Not meaning to throw stones! 😂

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2 minutes ago, Rmcarrier1 said:

But then what would they be mad about? 😉

Half of what Star Wars fans hold as sacrosanct were featured in the original films for 30 seconds or less. They let the context of living with the original films for 30 years -- and absorbing the various tie-in materials, from books and comics to video games -- provide greater meaning and emphasis to elements of the story than the story itself ever did. How many X-Wing players list the TIE Interceptor as their favorite ship? Or the B-Wing? Or the A-Wing. All given 30 seconds of screen time (or less!) in Return of the Jedi.

Suffice to say, I'm with you on this one. But that's just one man's opinion! Not meaning to throw stones! 😂

I remember numerous people referring to the Quadjumper as an "iconic ship" from TFA despite only appearing in a single, "blink and you'll miss it" moment.

(Seriously, I saw the movie three times in theaters and couldn't recall ever seeing the thing on screen until the Blu-ray released and I watched for it, specifically.)

30 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

I remember numerous people referring to the Quadjumper as an "iconic ship" from TFA despite only appearing in a single, "blink and you'll miss it" moment.

(Seriously, I saw the movie three times in theaters and couldn't recall ever seeing the thing on screen until the Blu-ray released and I watched for it, specifically.)

There are actually 2 or three of them in that sequence. The one that got blown up, a green one that BB-8 is shown trundling by while they flee and a red one a little further down iirc. Still not allot of screen time.

3 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

There are actually 2 or three of them in that sequence. The one that got blown up, a green one that BB-8 is shown trundling by while they flee and a red one a little further down iirc. Still not allot of screen time.

Huh. I'll need to rewatch that and see if I can see them.

1 hour ago, JJ48 said:

I'm pretty sure Han had more than three lines in RotJ...

Oh wow, you purposefully missed that one.

Please re-assess your membership on this forum.

1 hour ago, Rmcarrier1 said:

But then what would they be mad about? 😉

Half of what Star Wars fans hold as sacrosanct were featured in the original films for 30 seconds or less. They let the context of living with the original films for 30 years -- and absorbing the various tie-in materials, from books and comics to video games -- provide greater meaning and emphasis to elements of the story than the story itself ever did. How many X-Wing players list the TIE Interceptor as their favorite ship? Or the B-Wing? Or the A-Wing? All were given 30 seconds of screen time (or less!) in Return of the Jedi.

Suffice to say, I'm with you on this one. But that's just one man's opinion! Not meaning to throw stones! 😂

Urite, and that's no surprise! I don't get why folks can't divorce the films from the EU, one's a truth and one's not, and like.

Obviously we can't use one of them to shape our opinions man I DON'T KNOW Star Wars fans just

BE STAR WARS FANS LIKE THAT.

URGH.