11 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Interestingly that wasn't my takeaway from how the old Expanded Universe made use of it. To me it was still "magical" since the full depths of what it enabled was never explored and the quantified portion was just the furthest the people with the sensitivity to it were willing to go.

Sure but how many times since the "Decanonization" of the EU (Which was ALWAYS non canon, ffs...) have you heard people say, "THAT FORCE POWER DOESN'T EXIST!"?

Must I remind them that Spear of Midnight Black was a "Canon" Force Power?

52 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Just a note, her spacewalk scene, minus the Force pull to get herself back into the ship, is one of the more realistic renditions of what happens to the human body in low pressure environments to have hit the big screen.

Oh gods, yes. I have gotten really sick of the Hollywood make-believe of instantly freezing, face exploding, blood boiling, nonsensical vacuum deaths. Last Jedi actually did that well, including the timeframe of how long vacuum death actually takes. Guardians of the Galaxy did, as well. Athough by far the best example I’ve seen was in The Expanse when the belter just calmly opens his helmet, grabs the loose wire while exhaling, closes his helmet, and repressurizes.

4 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Sure but how many times since the "Decanonization" of the EU (Which was ALWAYS non canon, ffs...) have you heard people say, "THAT FORCE POWER DOESN'T EXIST!"?

Must I remind them that Spear of Midnight Black was a "Canon" Force Power?

Ah, you meant more along the lines of the "fans" thinking the Force operated like a hard written and codified spell book instead of basically acting as the extension of the will of the Force Sensitive. Ya, that was annoying as ****.

13 minutes ago, Force Majeure said:

SW Rebels Spoiler from 2017 for some folks I guess, but:

In Star Wars Rebels, Season 4 (I think?) Kanan gets spaced and pulls himself back on board. It predated the release of TLJ too. But the majority of viewers likely didn't see that series, let alone that episode.

Link to video.

I hadn't. I get impatient and very bored with cartoons (and allot of movies and "tv" shows as well) so I didn't bother. Too many rehashes of the same plot sets over and over again that take forever to build up. Don't get me wrong, they're great for those that haven't seen the story told in another dressing/franchise time and time again, but for me after the 500th time of the same premises and cadences being used it has gotten bland.

1 minute ago, Hiemfire said:

I hadn't. I get impatient and very bored with cartoons so I didn't bother. Too many rehashes of the same plot sets over and over again that take forever to build up. Don't get me wrong, they're great for those that haven't seen the story told in another dressing/franchise time and time again, but for me after the 500th time of the same premises and cadences being used it has gotten bland.

You missed out on some great moments that were worth the buildup.

Just now, Captain Lackwit said:

You missed out on some great moments that were worth the buildup.

Meh, that can probably be said about most renditions. I care more about the tech and how it functions in the story's universe (though to some that might be just as bland as rehashed stories are to me ) .

25 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

It doesn't help that her space walk was the first time on screen we've seen a Force Sensitive in vacuum and many of the viewers had no clue that both of the Skywalker twins inherited their father's connection to the Force...

Just a note, her spacewalk scene, minus the Force pull to get herself back into the ship, is one of the more realistic renditions of what happens to the human body in low pressure environments to have hit the big screen.

To me, the scene didn't bother me too much, except that the surprise of Leia consciously using the Force to that extent and the surprise of Force users being able to do that made one surprise too many for a single scene.

1 hour ago, JJ48 said:

To me, the scene didn't bother me too much, except that the surprise of Leia consciously using the Force to that extent and the surprise of Force users being able to do that made one surprise too many for a single scene.

I believe that shock of Leia consciously using the Force was precisely what they were going for. It’s long been hinted at, and in TFA she senses Han’s death even though nobody but Rey, Chewie, Finn, and Lord Emo Ren knew about it. And it makes sense that if she had even the basic inkling of Force ability that Luke would teach her a bit within the 30yr time gap. That she’d be able to use the Force to move her through the vacuum of space (or pull herself towards a much more massive object), doesn’t seem too outlandish to me. Definitely not as outlandish as everyone across the galaxy simultaneously watching the Planetkiller’s hyper-laser kill off the Hosnian system.

7 minutes ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

Definitely not as outlandish as everyone across the galaxy simultaneously watching the Planetkiller’s hyper-laser kill off the Hosnian system.

My head canon overrules the movie because they didn’t explicitly say it in the movie - the planet where Maz’s establishment was is close enough to the Hosnian system that it all makes sense. Perhaps it even is part of the same binary system and they obliterated the more inhabited end, leaving the one planet plus its closer sun intact.

32 minutes ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

I believe that shock of Leia consciously using the Force was precisely what they were going for. It’s long been hinted at, and in TFA she senses Han’s death even though nobody but Rey, Chewie, Finn, and Lord Emo Ren knew about it. And it makes sense that if she had even the basic inkling of Force ability that Luke would teach her a bit within the 30yr time gap. That she’d be able to use the Force to move her through the vacuum of space (or pull herself towards a much more massive object), doesn’t seem too outlandish to me. Definitely not as outlandish as everyone across the galaxy simultaneously watching the Planetkiller’s hyper-laser kill off the Hosnian system.

I'm not saying it didn't make sense for her to use the Force; just that it would have been better to make the reveal using a more immediately recognizable ability.

1 minute ago, JJ48 said:

I'm not saying it didn't make sense for her to use the Force; just that it would have been better to make the reveal using a more immediately recognizable ability.

Uh.

Force pull isn't recognizable?

4 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Uh.

Force pull isn't recognizable?

Usually it is used to pull something to the Force user, not propel them. So the confusion is reasonable.

1 minute ago, Hiemfire said:

Usually it is used to pull something to the Force user, not propel them. So the confusion is reasonable.

*shrug * If you've never pulled yourself out of a pool, I... guess.

51 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

My head canon overrules the movie because they didn’t explicitly say it in the movie - the planet where Maz’s establishment was is close enough to the Hosnian system that it all makes sense. Perhaps it even is part of the same binary system and they obliterated the more inhabited end, leaving the one planet plus its closer sun intact.

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I have a hard time accepting in my headcannon that a core world system is close enough to a mid-rim system on the western fringe for events to be visible from one to the other in real time...

But you know what, your headcannon’s perfectly fine for you. Shine on you crazy diamond!

17 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Usually it is used to pull something to the Force user, not propel them. So the confusion is reasonable.

Everything in space is relative to objects around it... I think it’s safe to say she used force pull to pull a smaller object (herself) towards a much more massive object that out-masses the smaller one by several magnitudes and mathematical powers, and some other astronomical technical-sounding bull.

3 minutes ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

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I have a hard time accepting in my headcannon that a core world system is close enough to a mid-rim system on the western fringe for events to be visible from one to the other in real time...

But you know what, your headcannon’s perfectly fine for you. Shine on you crazy diamond!

Allegedly Starkiller Base was so powerful it caused a hyperspace rift that made its shot visible to the entire Galaxy. WHich is pretty horrifying, all things considered!

1 hour ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

Definitely not as outlandish as everyone across the galaxy simultaneously watching the Planetkiller’s hyper-laser kill off the Hosnian system.

Actually (as far as I understand it, anyway), the reason the beam was visible across the galaxy was because it was traveling through hyperspace, and not real space. Essentially, the same thing that allowed the beam to reach Hosnian Prime in seconds also allowed its path to be visible instantaneously (think how you can see a laser beam as it passes through a medium). Now, is that how science works? Of course not, but Star Wars is and has always been fantasy anyway, not science fiction. But in terms of "making sense" within the rules of the universe, it works in my mind.

Some light reading about something that's completey made up: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Starkiller_Base 😉 😉

1 minute ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

Everything in space is relative to objects around it... I think it’s safe to say she used force pull to pull a smaller object (herself) towards a much more massive object that out-masses the smaller one by several magnitudes and mathematical powers, and some other astronomical technical-sounding bull.

🤨 Thus why I used the term "Force Pull". I wasn't one of the people confused by it, I just understand why some people were. For reference, I firmly believe that the hand motions used by Force users is nothing more than a means to focus their intent and will. With enough practice their physical movements can be focused on one thing while they utilize the Force to deal with something else, even to the point of not having the affect appear to originate from themselves. IE: Blasting an assailant in the back with "Force Lighting" originating from the air behind the attacker while the Force User uses their hands or a weapon the fend of the assailant's attack from in front of the assailant, or making no motions at all and stopping a falling object directly above them.

13 minutes ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

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I have a hard time accepting in my headcannon that a core world system is close enough to a mid-rim system on the western fringe for events to be visible from one to the other in real time...

But you know what, your headcannon’s perfectly fine for you. Shine on you crazy diamond!

See...

From the movies, There is no declaration of location. Nobody said Hosnian was in the core. So it fits

Makes more sense to me anyway than the whole “I see these effects happening throughout space”

2 hours ago, Rmcarrier1 said:

Actually (as far as I understand it, anyway), the reason the beam was visible across the galaxy was because it was traveling through hyperspace, and not real space. Essentially, the same thing that allowed the beam to reach Hosnian Prime in seconds also allowed its path to be visible instantaneously (think how you can see a laser beam as it passes through a medium). Now, is that how science works? Of course not, but Star Wars is and has always been fantasy anyway, not science fiction. But in terms of "making sense" within the rules of the universe, it works in my mind.

Some light reading about something that's completey made up: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Starkiller_Base 😉 😉

It makes about as much sense as the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann vs the Anti-Spiral final battle, which is to say, absolutely none at all, but by the time it happens you are conditioned to just shrug and let it happen cause the Rule of Cool.