Haven't seen anyone else mention it yet, so I'll throw it out. Another ISD variant for Armada please?

Ofc, subject to what this variant actually does in film, their faction alignment and purpose

I’m actually okay with the idea of the ISD getting a second Chimaera treatment.

Until you realize ISD1s got JJ’d in this movie and are inexplicably now 3km long

When I clicked this thread I expected this:

An Old Republic era version of Armada would be nice.

37 minutes ago, Piratical Moustache said:

When I clicked this thread I expected this:

An Old Republic era version of Armada would be nice.

Just please no Gunships.

On 10/4/2019 at 11:50 AM, Muelmuel said:

Haven't seen anyone else mention it yet, so I'll throw it out. Another ISD variant for Armada please?

Ofc, subject to what this variant actually does in film, their faction alignment and purpose

Having read the leaks for the new movie I doubt they’ll make them for the game

I’d rather not have another ISD variant. If given a choice, Id like to see something different, like the support ship (Dreadnought) or something completely new like Onager.

What confuses me is what the Sith Troopers and Sith Fighters are and where do they come from?

Sith Trooper Armor is very much a variant of First Order st ormtrooper armor visually. So they clearly come from the First Order.

Therefore if this ISD fleet is the long forgotten Imperial Fleet everyone is hunting for, a new canon katana fleet as it were, these Sith variants cannot be onboard the ISDs upon discovery.

However the ISDs have red markings as do the Sith Fighters and the Sith Troopers, which implies these all belong together as a group. Furthermore the Sith Fighters have black wings like Imperial Ties, rather than the white of First Order Ties, potentially implying they belong to these Imperial Star Destroyers.

So I wonder if this could mean the First Order will find the “Sith Fleet” first and crews them with a special force loyal to the Sith? But Kylo isn’t a Sith?

What if Hux betrays Kylo and purposely or unwittingly hands authority of the First Order over to Palpatine? Palpatine organizes a loyal force amongst the First Order and dubs them Sith Troopers and such?

1 hour ago, Forresto said:

What confuses me is what the Sith Troopers and Sith Fighters are and where do they come from?

Sith Trooper Armor is very much a variant of First Order st ormtrooper armor visually. So they clearly come from the First Order.

Therefore if this ISD fleet is the long forgotten Imperial Fleet everyone is hunting for, a new canon katana fleet as it were, these Sith variants cannot be onboard the ISDs upon discovery.

However the ISDs have red markings as do the Sith Fighters and the Sith Troopers, which implies these all belong together as a group. Furthermore the Sith Fighters have black wings like Imperial Ties, rather than the white of First Order Ties, potentially implying they belong to these Imperial Star Destroyers.

So I wonder if this could mean the First Order will find the “Sith Fleet” first and crews them with a special force loyal to the Sith? But Kylo isn’t a Sith?

What if Hux betrays Kylo and purposely or unwittingly hands authority of the First Order over to Palpatine? Palpatine organizes a loyal force amongst the First Order and dubs them Sith Troopers and such?

TFA and TLJ repeatedly made clear that neither Snoke or the Knights of Ren were Sith, and if I remember correctly Kylo vowed to destroy what's left of the Sith and Jedi to Rey near the end of TLJ, so I'm lost as to why a new group of FO Stormtroopers are now called "Sith troopers".

4 hours ago, Piratical Moustache said:

TFA and TLJ repeatedly made clear that neither Snoke or the Knights of Ren were Sith, and if I remember correctly Kylo vowed to destroy what's left of the Sith and Jedi to Rey near the end of TLJ, so I'm lost as to why a new group of FO Stormtroopers are now called "Sith troopers".

Exactly.

The Sith Troopers must have everything to do with Palpatine and his return.

Yet when you look at them side by side, the Sith Trooper is quite clearly a visual deviation of the FO stormtrooper. Not to mention there is a sith jet Trooper that aside from the red coloration is identical to the FO Jet Trooper.

I bet either Kylo becomes obsessed with the Sith and names his elite soldiers for them or Palps becomes a critical part of the First Order.

Given that the first order was literally seeded by The Eclipse, Palpatines personal Super Star Destroyer - why is it assumed the Sith Troopers armour is a derivation of the FO armour?

Couldn't it literally be the other way around?

Or the fact they both have a common design ancestor and were developed in parallel, to explain similarities?

Wait, has Palpatine been confirmed to be in the next movie?

<sigh> There goes most of my excitement to see it.

3 hours ago, JJ48 said:

Wait, has Palpatine been confirmed to be in the next movie?

<sigh> There goes most of my excitement to see it.

All but confirmed yes, and it isn't a good idea in my opinion. The resurrection of Palpatine wasn't well received in Legends, why do it again in Canon?

On 10/4/2019 at 3:55 PM, Piratical Moustache said:

When I clicked this thread I expected this:

An Old Republic era version of Armada would be nice.

Well, until we get official stuff there's @melminiatures !

On 10/5/2019 at 7:27 AM, Jabby said:

Having read the leaks for the new movie I doubt they’ll make them for the game

Haven't read any leaks, but the prevailing speculated explanation for these among folks analyzing the trailer minutes after it dropped also bodes very poorly for these things being interesting enough for the game.

14 hours ago, Piratical Moustache said:

All but confirmed yes, and it isn't a good idea in my opinion. The resurrection of Palpatine wasn't well received in Legends, why do it again in Canon?

It could have been handled well enough in canon, especially since the "Skywalker Saga" has always basically really been the "Sheev" Saga, but it would have required doing it very well from the start. It seems pretty obvious that Palpatine is now being desperately shoe-horned into the sequel trilogy as a pathetic response to assauge the ultra-subversive "kill the past" tone of The Last Jedi. "JUST KIDDING, WE AT DISNEY LOVE THE PAST! HERE, LOOK, THE LAST MOVIE HAS ALL THAT STUFF YOU LOVE, EVEN CLASSIC DEATH STARS AND PALPATINE AND DESERT SKIFFS!"

Maybe JJ had some grand slow-burn story in mind the whole time to have the Sequel Trilogy oriented around Palpatine, but that seems terribly unlikely since by all accounts he had no answers in mind for the mystery boxes he set up, stepped away to let others figure out and complete the story, and Johnson had free reign to tell whatever story he wanted in Episode 8.

So while this whole Palp-relevant Episode 9 will likely be spun as "this is where we intended to go this whole time" it's likely a crock of poodoo and is reactive grasping after the TLJ's divisiveness.

17 hours ago, Piratical Moustache said:

All but confirmed yes, and it isn't a good idea in my opinion. The resurrection of Palpatine wasn't well received in Legends, why do it again in Canon?

We have no idea in what way he will “return”. Could be memory. Could be a force ghost. Could be a little head in a bucket being carried around by an old Ezra.

47 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

We have no idea in what way he will “return”. Could be memory. Could be a force ghost. Could be a little head in a bucket being carried around by an old Ezra.

...and do any of those sound like good options?

Yea. Memory is fine. Per Aftermath we already know Palp had a lot more ovens baking around the galaxy.

31 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

...and do any of those sound like good options?

...Three sounds pretty awesome to me, actually.

Assuming we don't get the Luke/Palpatine The Odd Couple: Force Ghost Edition that I really want.

35 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

...and do any of those sound like good options?

I actually like all of them

But I do whish his return had been set up earlier.

I actually like the idea of Palpatine returning because Ian McDirmand is so much freaking fun to watch act.

That alone overrides any and all other concerns I have for the movie.

I don't mind the Emperor returning.

For me that makes episode 6 make way more sense. In 6 there were some things that didn't add up, especially now that they've expanded his character with the prequels and CW. Like, over confidence is one thing, but Palps seemed downright ignorant of is opponents in 6. The dude was the culmination of a thousand years of Sith knowledge and planning. Who staged and executed the plan that would topple a galaxy wide government and land him in complete control. He's known for convoluted plans... having an exit strategy... He's one of the characters that was rarely ignorant of his opponents and never willingly so.... So that whole scene where Vader brings Luke to him, and the fight, and his death, and even being on the death star at all... it all seems... out of character (which, yes, I recognize the OT technically came first, but lore is lore right?)

All I'm saying is, he had to have sensed the conflict in Vader. He had to have known Luke would topple his dad. He had to have known his life was in danger. He was completely unfazed right until the moment Vader picked him up and hucked him into the pit.

Now that he's returning, maybe the reason he was so over confident was he knew that there was a back up plan in place.

Considering ESB's quote from Vader:

"Luke, you can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny!"

Maybe ole Papa palpy did foresee Luke winning and planned a way to circumvent his own death. Maybe the reason he waited so long to return had to do with Luke? He could have feared that a premature return while Luke was alive would result in his death again... It's even possible that he set Snoke in motion somehow hoping that Snoke would kill Luke allowing him to return....

Now that Luke's dead, might as well get on with the master plan? lol

I like the idea.

I'll admit, it'll definitely because of a lack of direction when writing the movies... they should have planned all three out ahead... but that doesn't mean they can't make it work. I'm excited!

25 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Now that he's returning, maybe the reason he was so over confident was he knew that there was a back up plan in place.

What back-up plan? I guess the only ways I could see him returning would be as a Force Ghost, or through the involvement of a clone.

The Force Ghost idea just seems ridiculous to me. Thinking of the original trilogy, Obi-wan coming back as a Force Ghost to offer Luke some wisdom and guidance seemed to fit rather nicely. Having General Force Ghost Obi-wan leading forces during the Battle of Endor would have been ridiculous. And yet that's the sort of return that would be necessary for a Force Ghost to be a viable back-up plan.

As for clones, we have two options. If the Palpatine on the Death Star was a clone, then we have the real Emperor sitting back and letting his Empire fall apart, which makes no sense. If that was the original Palpatine and his clone is returning, then we have the return of the Emperor with no foreshadowing or narrative sense to it, and it just comes across as lazy, "We couldn't think of a good climax, so have a returning villain!" writing.

Overall, I've been happy with what Disney's done with Star Wars. I hated Lucas' prequels, but liked Disney's TFA and Rogue One, and even felt that TLJ wasn't quite as bad as everyone made it out to be. However, if they're going to bring back a very killed-off character just because, they can forget about me defending this movie against the haters.

21 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

The Force Ghost idea just seems ridiculous to me. Thinking of the original trilogy, Obi-wan coming back as a Force Ghost to offer Luke some wisdom and guidance seemed to fit rather nicely. Having General Force Ghost Obi-wan leading forces during the Battle of Endor would have been ridiculous. And yet that's the sort of return that would be necessary for a Force Ghost to be a viable back-up plan.

I could see an evil version of that, where Palpatine ostensibly offers advice and wisdom to Kylo Ren, but is actually planning to subvert or possess him. Getting a new body would be his goal, not floating around haunting NuRebels.

26 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

I could see an evil version of that, where Palpatine ostensibly offers advice and wisdom to Kylo Ren, but is actually planning to subvert or possess him. Getting a new body would be his goal, not floating around haunting NuRebels.

Do we have any reason to believe it's possible for a Force Ghost to possess people?