Could a structure exist in hyperspace?

By Leia Hourglass, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

4 hours ago, MasterZelgadis said:

It's your game, everything you want is possible. Heck, TlJ gave us unmanned fleet destroying hyperspace projectiles...

And it didn't really work because the main target was still functional afterwards. Some nearby smaller Star Destroyers were obliterated by shrapnell, but that becomes a complete non-issue by simply not flying in close formation.

And the two reasons it worked at all is because Holdo was flying a massive MonCal Cruiser, and because the opposing commander was a moron who had given orders to completely ignore Holdo.

If Hux had been paying attention Holdo would have been destroyed before she could accellerat, and if she had been in, say, a cheap obsolete starfighter she'd probably not even gotten through the target's shields.

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4 hours ago, MasterZelgadis said:

It's your game, everything you want is possible. Heck, TlJ gave us unmanned fleet destroying hyperspace projectiles...

Unmanned... but is was womanned.

Seriously though, TLJ also gave us X-Wings 'waiting' in Hyperspace. They were doing what? Flying around in an empty area of space running hyper-circles? Perhaps this could be used as a plot device for keeping a structure in hyperspace, at a (sort of) fixed location as well.

2 hours ago, Xcapobl said:

Unmanned... but is was womanned.

Seriously though, TLJ also gave us X-Wings 'waiting' in Hyperspace. They were doing what? Flying around in an empty area of space running hyper-circles? Perhaps this could be used as a plot device for keeping a structure in hyperspace, at a (sort of) fixed location as well.

That was TFA with the "ships waiting in hyperspace," but the point still stands even if it's a different movie.

There's also the matter that those two movies are set about three decades after the Rebellion Era films, so it's entirely possible that there's been some manner of technological breakthrough that allows things like X-Wings flying a holding pattern in hyperspace, or essentially weaponizing a bulk cruiser's leap into hyperspace (heck, being able to track ships through hyperspace is technology so brand new nobody thought it was possible until the First Order started doing it), though as micheldebruyn pointed out the main reason that tactic even worked in the first place was because Hux was an idiot and ignored the ship until it was much too late. I get the feeling that if Snoke's leadership hadn't been cut so drastically short, the good General would have gotten quite the dressing down for that tactical blunder.

1 hour ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

Snoke's leadership hadn't been cut so drastically short

Poor choice of words there. 😜

The effects of anything going at near-lightspeed crashing into the ship would be tremendous, somewhat regardless its size.

Currently trying very hard to maintain self control and not write a 3 page screed on why I hate TLJ, but I really don't like the hyperspace ramming, it's just an "Ooo, shiny!" to keep the audience happy, and when you think about it for more than 3 seconds there are a lot of IU problems with it from a story perspective (not scientific perspective, it's actually sound in that regard).

1 hour ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Poor choice of words there. 😜

The effects of anything going at near-lightspeed crashing into the ship would be tremendous, somewhat regardless its size.

Only in universes where the laws of physics as we know them are a thing. In the Star Wars verse, the laws of physics are some vague guidelines written on a paper napkin and somebody wrote STRICTLY OPTIONEL at the top in thick black marker and underlined it in red.

In the Star Wars verse, this is what a fully pressurised space suit looks like:

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There was an atmosphere on that asteroid.

Hyperspace is another dimension that is accessed when exceeding the speed of light. Therefore, the ship hadn't yet exceeded lightspeed when it hit the mega-ultra-super-duper-star destroyer and therefore was still in realspace.

17 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

There was an atmosphere on that asteroid.

Hyperspace is another dimension that is accessed when exceeding the speed of light. Therefore, the ship hadn't yet exceeded lightspeed when it hit the mega-ultra-super-duper-star destroyer and therefore was still in realspace.

Of course there wasn't an amosphere. It was a tiny, potato-shaped rock hurtling through space. There shouldn't even have been gravity. If it has an atmosphere then the laws of physics go out the window.

4 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

Of course there wasn't an amosphere. It was a tiny, potato-shaped rock hurtling through space. There shouldn't even have been gravity. If it has an atmosphere then the laws of physics go out the window.

Yeah, I was mistaken there wasn't an atmosphere on the asteroid, but there was inside the space slug (for whatever sense that makes). from Wookieepedia: Since exogorths insulated themselves deep inside asteroids and their own heat-generating waste, Leia Organa, Han Solo, and Chewbacca were able to survive inside the space slug with only breath masks to provide oxygen.

51 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Yeah, I was mistaken there wasn't an atmosphere on the asteroid, but there was inside the space slug (for whatever sense that makes). from Wookieepedia: Since exogorths insulated themselves deep inside asteroids and their own heat-generating waste, Leia Organa, Han Solo, and Chewbacca were able to survive inside the space slug with only breath masks to provide oxygen.

Meanwhile, per Rebels, here’s Ezra in space on a purgill, wearing his street clothes and a cadet trooper helmet

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while in a later episode, he needed a full space suit in space

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1 minute ago, Nytwyng said:

Meanwhile, per Rebels, here’s Ezra in space on a purgill, wearing his street clothes and a cadet trooper helmet

Actually, if I remember correctly, he is on an asteroid that has gravity and an atmosphere, but poisonous vapors (it was the mining guild episode) so he only needed a breath mask.

On 10/4/2019 at 3:39 PM, Nytwyng said:

You mean they wouldn’t just dump them out an airlock, letting them revert into real space and whatever remains survived the reversion just float...wherever they happened to be in deep space?

Absolutely not! This is a bureaucracy we are talking about here. Each political dissident corpse needs to be accounted for.

In actuality, the Empire would have a use for the corpses. Scientific study. Using to threaten/enrage populations. Using to lure people into traps (let it slip that so and so has recently been moved to prison xyz in hopes of them mounting a rescue party that you can kill/capture in the act...worse case scenario, they rescue a corpse). Placing a look-a-like in a position to get rescued in order to infiltrate an enemy force while being absolutely sure the real individual can't show up to spoil the game.

Waste not, want not.

Oh, the empire has plenty of corpses ;) .

5 hours ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Actually, if I remember correctly, he is on an asteroid that has gravity and an atmosphere, but poisonous vapors (it was the mining guild episode) so he only needed a breath mask.

Yeah, it was a full-on planetoid. Atmosphere was breathable to Rodians and whatever Yushyn is.

11 hours ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

That was TFA with the "ships waiting in hyperspace," but the point still stands even if it's a different movie.

There's also the matter that those two movies are set about three decades after the Rebellion Era films, so it's entirely possible that there's been some manner of technological breakthrough that allows things like X-Wings flying a holding pattern in hyperspace, or essentially weaponizing a bulk cruiser's leap into hyperspace (heck, being able to track ships through hyperspace is technology so brand new nobody thought it was possible until the First Order started doing it), though as micheldebruyn pointed out the main reason that tactic even worked in the first place was because Hux was an idiot and ignored the ship until it was much too late. I get the feeling that if Snoke's leadership hadn't been cut so drastically short, the good General would have gotten quite the dressing down for that tactical blunder.

WOAH. Hold on a moment. I have an exceptionally good memory but I did NOT remember that from TFA. Are you sure the ships were in the hyperspace tunnel but NOT moving? If so, sometime between ROTJ and TFA, they figured out how to achieve hyperstasis and my idea is viable.

Is it true?

8 minutes ago, Leia Hourglass said:

WOAH. Hold on a moment. I have an exceptionally good memory but I did NOT remember that from TFA. Are you sure the ships were in the hyperspace tunnel but NOT moving? If so, sometime between ROTJ and TFA, they figured out how to achieve hyperstasis and my idea is viable.

Is it true?

They were moving, received notification that Starkiller Base's shields were down, and dropped out of hyperspace to start their attack.

36 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

They were moving, received notification that Starkiller Base's shields were down, and dropped out of hyperspace to start their attack.

Thanks! I guess I’m hyperspace their really isn’t a strict law of motion.

On 10/7/2019 at 3:01 AM, lowfyr01 said:

combine the ship that is more or less constantly in Hyper Space with the stasis technology like in Han Solo at Stars End and you wouldn't even need much people to crew the ship.

Who needs people for crew? The systems could easily be managed by droids, which would allow for a very long duration journey, without the need for life support systems, or at least incredibly minimal life support for the few living beings on board.

4 hours ago, KungFuFerret said:

Who needs people for crew? The systems could easily be managed by droids, which would allow for a very long duration journey, without the need for life support systems, or at least incredibly minimal life support for the few living beings on board.

Am I the only one thinking the crew of the Cygnus from The Black Hole? Albeit without quite so creepy an origin?

I forgot that there was precident for structures sitting in hyperspace. The holonet has relays all over the galaxy anchored in hyperspace.

I imagine that if you can do it for the relays then you could do it for other structures.

On 10/7/2019 at 11:52 AM, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

There was an atmosphere on that asteroid.

Hyperspace is another dimension that is accessed when exceeding the speed of light. Therefore, the ship hadn't yet exceeded lightspeed when it hit the mega-ultra-super-duper-star destroyer and therefore was still in realspace.

Rebels cartoon shows us lots of times tht space in star wars is not a vacuume. You cant breath it but it is not a vacuume. They jump to an asteroid station from space to a platform using breath masks.

It is 1950s serial scifi logic. There is gravitt. There is atmosphere. It isnt breathable. Which makes sound in space possible. And explains intakes on starship engines

On 10/7/2019 at 7:19 PM, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Yeah, I was mistaken there wasn't an atmosphere on the asteroid, but there was inside the space slug (for whatever sense that makes). from Wookieepedia: Since exogorths insulated themselves deep inside asteroids and their own heat-generating waste, Leia Organa, Han Solo, and Chewbacca were able to survive inside the space slug with only breath masks to provide oxygen.

It sort of missing the point.

I offered Han can use a breathing mask as a space suit as an argument in favour of "Star Wars doesn't really do laws of physics".

A tiny asteroid having an atmosphere (and gravity), or the stomachs of giant space slugs being a mostly human-compatible environment, are just as strong arguments in favour of "Star Wars doesn't really do laws of physics".

On 10/7/2019 at 12:19 PM, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Yeah, I was mistaken there wasn't an atmosphere on the asteroid, but there was inside the space slug (for whatever sense that makes). from Wookieepedia: Since exogorths insulated themselves deep inside asteroids and their own heat-generating waste, Leia Organa, Han Solo, and Chewbacca were able to survive inside the space slug with only breath masks to provide oxygen.

The slugs mouth was open. If vacuume outside the slugs mouth per science vacuume inside the slugs open mouth. Just saying.

It could be done I believe. One way is to equip the station with a hyperdrive jump it into hyper then dump or wreck the hyperdrive. Or have a construction ship build the station then go to hyper with the prison still attached and detach the prison while still in hyperspace. Doing so would be ridiculously inconvenient though.

57 minutes ago, RogueCorona said:

It could be done I believe. One way is to equip the station with a hyperdrive jump it into hyper then dump or wreck the hyperdrive. Or have a construction ship build the station then go to hyper with the prison still attached and detach the prison while still in hyperspace. Doing so would be ridiculously inconvenient though.

I am fairly sure that you need a working hyperdrive to remain in Hyperspace. You emerge from Hyperspace by switching off the drive.

53 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

I am fairly sure that you need a working hyperdrive to remain in Hyperspace. You emerge from Hyperspace by switching off the drive.

Maybe in canon but not in Legends, and I'm not sure if canon has made it clear either way. In Legends the antagonist of the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy is marooned in hyperspace by a group of Imperial personnel his people had enslaved who revolted. They do this by shoving him into an escape pod and launching while in hyperspace because, and this is stated outright in the book, without a hyperdrive the escape pod can't leave hyperspace.