Legion AMA

By bwingstrike, in Star Wars: Legion

So anyone tune into the AMA earlier today?

https://m.twitch.tv/videos/488868815

No massive reveals or anything, still an interesting watch. But Lando was mentioned as coming sooner rather than later. (Discussed at the 45 min mark) So I'm looking forward to that!

I checked it out, haven't finished yet, it was nice to hear more from the devs. I would love to get the AAT sitting on the table.

There's a bit of discussion about Indirect Fire issues relating to the Imperial Mortar:

  • Mortar Emplacement troopers were already introducing complex new rules - and they didn't want to over-complicate the release.
  • Indirect Fire needs a lot of thought about where units can be placed - e.g. with no overhead terrain.
  • They don't want to make Indirect Fire a ubiquitous feature, but something related to a specific unit.

Sounds like it's a long way away in their development cycle. Been musing a bit here:

1 hour ago, Vector Strike said:

Thank you!

Can someone explain the diference between PVC plastic and Hard plastic? I understand core units are PVC and now they move to a better one, how does hard plastic "work"? Similar to Warhammer? Can you use plastic glue with that?

Yup, hard plastic is like the one in Warhammer minis. More brittle than PVC (hence the need for sprues) but can reproduce much finer details and crispier edges.

21 minutes ago, costi said:

Yup, hard plastic is like the one in Warhammer minis. More brittle than PVC (hence the need for sprues) but can reproduce much finer details and crispier edges.

Cool!

Can you use that glue that "melts" the plastic with those minis?

2 minutes ago, oaicart said:

Cool!

Can you use that glue that "melts" the plastic with those minis?

Yes

21 minutes ago, oaicart said:

Cool!

Can you use that glue that "melts" the plastic with those minis?

Depends on if their "hard plastic" is polystyrene or ABS. Most are, but I have heard of some hard plastic minis that still need super glue since their chemical composition doesn't react with "plastic" glue.

Edit: Someone with the core set already can probably confirm if those sprues allowed for use of plastic glue.

Edited by Caimheul1313

I think the big highlights/excitement for me was:

Republic operative+SF - they were obvious to be coming but they’re the only things beyond my double core + Rex I’m likely autobuying.

Hearing how things will be moving to greater customization in future releases (even if not at phase 2 clones, which is fine).

The fact they’re even thinking about custom commanders was pretty cool, but I was a bit bummed when they didn’t pursue it further to the campaign system.

24 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

The fact they’re even thinking about custom commanders was pretty cool, but I was a bit bummed when they didn’t pursue it further to the campaign system.

This might be a way for them to cover some of the less prominent Jedi. Release a box with a Generic Jedi commander card and various body parts and heads so you can create them yourself. I mean most Jedi in the films were just actors with various masks or make-up so TS not like they have to worry about any strange torso shapes.

Edited by bwingstrike
2 hours ago, oaicart said:

Thank you!

Can someone explain the diference between PVC plastic and Hard plastic? I understand core units are PVC and now they move to a better one, how does hard plastic "work"? Similar to Warhammer? Can you use plastic glue with that?

Soft Plastic, compared to Hard Plastic

  • Cost - soft is generally cheaper in manufacturing
  • Thermoplastic properties - soft is more susceptible to bending when hot - not even at high temps. So long, narrow parts will droop. Soft plastics will also flex more over time, and are more likely to therefore chip.
  • Modelling - because soft plastic is more bendy, the structural parts cannot be as fine - the model can be detailed, but load-bearing pasts (arms or legs) tend to have to be chunkier.
  • Chemical properties - soft is more chemically stable, so doesn't react to polystyrene cement in the same way, and thus you need a cyanoacrylate (superglue) for bonding soft plastic parts. More about glue here!
  • Preping - FFG have shipped soft plastic without a manufacturing sprue, so you don't need to cut parts away from anything to use them. Hard plastic will be shipped on sprue, so you'll need snippers etc. Depending on manufacturing technology, there will be some flash or mould lines on both, so both types of minis will need cleaning up before painting.
  • Painting - there's not a lot of difference, in the short term. Hard plastics tend not to break as easily when dropped, because polystyrene cement bonds are not as brittle.

Which "kind" of custom Commander did they say was possible? Custom as in the assembly, or custom as in picking certain rules and weapons? Both are a form of "custom" but have different game effects.

Edited by Caimheul1313

custom as in assembly

I hope it's classic Bespin Lando! Barring that, Lando in skiff guard disguise would also be pretty cool.

I actually like Legion's soft plastic. It's nice to play with something different.

23 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Which "kind" of custom Commander did they say was possible? Custom as in the assembly, or custom as in picking certain rules and weapons? Both fit are a form of "custom" but have different game effects.

I suspect if FFG introduce custom commanders - where attributes, etc. are more flexible, it will be like they've done with custom admirals in armada. They are really cautious about allowing that level of customisation into the main stream of their games, because it probably doesn't work well in a tournament setting. But in a campaign, where a raw commander (a generic officer, say) develops into a grizzled veteran, which more sophisticated command cards and abilities, is more like to come.

But, they did say a design space for a campaign expansion is a ways off, just because of how much development time it will consume.

I like that when asked about the Vulture droids, both looked like its an announcement not too far away. I would love to see more smaller ships flying around over head as we fight on the ground.

Edited by Gridloc

I can confirm that the hard plastic does work with plastic glue/cement.

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

I actually like Legion's soft plastic. It's nice to play with something different.

Agreed, the soft plastic was part of the appeal with push fit. Putting together a squad in 20 minutes instead of 2 hours (40k) was nice. But they're going all in on sprues now and they seem excited about what's coming out, so we'll see how it plays out.

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

I hope it's classic Bespin Lando! Barring that, Lando in skiff guard disguise would also be pretty cool.

I actually like Legion's soft plastic. It's nice to play with something different.

I don't mind the soft plastic itself so much as I mind the way FFG seem to have cheaped out on it in the beginning to cut down the costs/risk of developing Legion. That might have made business sense to some besuited spreadsheet monkey, but now it leaves me irritated and disappointed at the clear difference in quality between the early(and by virtue of being the core options, most numerous in most folk's collection) GCW units and the more recent ones where they evidently spent some time & effort getting the best out of the material. Look at the difference between the core set Stormtroopers and the unit upgrade box version.

1 hour ago, jcmonson said:

custom as in assembly

I was just checking since some people have been requesting more RPG style commanders (upgrade the commander to have Spotter X, Inspire X, choose whether they have a pistol, rifle, or melee weapon that sort of thing). Custom assembly I wouldn't be surprised about, especially in boxes with only one model where there might be a fair amount of spare space on the sprue.

57 minutes ago, Jedirev said:

I suspect if FFG introduce custom commanders - where attributes, etc. are more flexible, it will be like they've done with custom admirals in armada. They are really cautious about allowing that level of customisation into the main stream of their games, because it probably doesn't work well in a tournament setting. But in a campaign, where a raw commander (a generic officer, say) develops into a grizzled veteran, which more sophisticated command cards and abilities, is more like to come.

But, they did say a design space for a campaign expansion is a ways off, just because of how much development time it will consume.

Yeah, that sort of custom I'd imagine is VERY hard to balance especially given the way the rest of the game is designed, and ensure that they don't take the place of existing, FFG built commanders.

I have zero problem with it being a thing in a campaign setting, inbuilt balance isn't quite as important there, and players tend to feel a bit more free to houserule stuff to rebalance it for their own tastes (either more balanced or more the "correct feel.")

I don't mind waiting on the campaign until later in the development cycle, espeically since it sounds like some of that development time might be spent on even more factions.

2 minutes ago, Weikel said:

Agreed, the soft plastic was part of the appeal with push fit. Putting together a squad in 20 minutes instead of 2 hours (40k) was nice. But they're going all in on sprues now and they seem excited about what's coming out, so we'll see how it plays out.

Push fit can still also be done with hard plastic. Assembly is still likely to be fairly easy depending on the number of parts the miniatures come in, plus unlike 40k, Legion units are a set composition so there aren't as many decisions to make. Also it depends on how many fiddly accessories are included, or if is JUST the core elements (head, torso, legs, and arms with weapons attached).

1 hour ago, Gridloc said:

I like that when asked about the Vulture droids, both looked like its an announcement not too far away. I would love to see more smaller ships flying around over head as we fight on the ground.

Could you tell me the time they've answered something about the Vultures?

Edited by Vector Strike

Looking at the releases comments I do wonder if we are getting an X-wing wave release for Legion soon. Eight releases a wave could mean two units a faction every three months. Which may be a good thing. The old system worked with just Empire/Rebels, but with four factions some them would take months to get anything new for one of them. Also the confusion and unknown of what is coming out is getting out of hand since they even said they did not know the release dates/order. Throw on the fact that we will most likely be getting Scum at some point and the release system will have to change.

Sad there is not likely to be any Resistance or First Order anytime soon, no word on it. But if custom commanders come, I'd be amenable to that.

SCUM AND VILLAINY. Yes please. Give me all the Gammoreans, Weequay, Nikto, Hutts and Bounty Hunters you can fit in a box.