Have anyone home brewed a NPC specs for this race?

As a NPC race...

I hope not. The best thing that could happen for such crap now it's Legend is to move to the next stage and to become Forgotten Legends. Not only the books are very badly written, a common flaw for Star Wars books, but the concept of Yuuhzan Vong is an insult to Star Wars.

I had to re-check the Wookieepadia on the Yuuzhan Vong and like WolfRider, my first impression was . . . less than favorable.

However, that has changed.

My first issue was that I couldn't conceive of how to make sense of this "non technology" species that was clearly still "technologically" advanced.

And then I realized that the Yuuzhan Vong are basically the Invid (from Robotech) absent the protoculture technology that can be utilized by other sentient species.

So "if" or "when" I introduce the Yuuzhan Vong into my Star Wars Universe, they're going to have some eerie similarities to the Invid.

I haven't done any work on that project yet, but the Paladium source book is going to be a source of inspiration.

But as far as governing principles, my Vong are going to be 'weaker' than other species who use 'condemnable' tech, But they'll rely on swarm tactics.

The material components, being organic in nature are going to baffle engineers and be unworkable. Trying to work their chitinous armor will destroy it. Weapons will be integrated into the Vong bodies and won't work independent of their users. And similar technological incompatibility issues will keep PC's from integrating or using Vong tech.

If that doesn't suit you, you could also check out the Protos from Starcraft fame (and originally from Starship Troopers [The book]). They may be another species that could act as inspiration to make the Vong make sense (at some level).

But on the surface, yeah the Yuuzhan Vong make about a much sense in the Star Wars Universe as people surviving being cut in half with a light saber and then plummeting down hundreds of feet, only to be brought back by moving about on spider legs, or dying because you have "nothing to live for," after giving birth to twins only to have one of those infants remember you while "growing up." OR, ramming another spaceship in a universe where you CAN'T hyperspace through anything . . . OR surviving a plummet down a bottomless shaft into an energy shield which vaporizes your body with such violence that the plasma vents all the way to the TOP of the shaft that you started your fall from . . .

1 hour ago, Mark Caliber said:

the Paladium source book is going to be a source of inspiration

Speaking as someone who has good two or three feet of shelf space worth of Rifts and Robotech books, that sentence, in any context, instinctively makes my skin crawl.

2 hours ago, Mark Caliber said:

yeah the Yuuzhan Vong make about a much sense

They make less sense than any of the other things you mention. Not all fantastical-ness is "equal", the main problem is they break whatever internal consistency the universe had wrt the Force...cardinal sin IMHO.

I read all those books, and they all sucked (but like a junkie, there was no other Star Wars around, so I injected them along with everything else). The main flaw was the cheap premise, that they needed some kind of kryptonite to take away the Jedi's source of power. Superman needed kryptonite, because you paint yourself into a corner when your character is a god. But the Jedi were never Superman, never gods...they had enough flaws of their own that such kryptonite wasn't needed.

The whole Yuuzhan Vong arc was the lowest of the low in Star Wars...

But I guess that doesn't answer the OP's question 😄

They seem to have had the same capacity as humans for stat range, so I'd start with a 2 across the board, and let people sell one down to 1 for 20XP. Maybe give a free rank in a skill depending on which stat was raised, eg: Intellect 3 - one rank in Xenology; Cunning 3 - one rank in Deception; Brawn 3 - one rank in Athletics. WT base: 12; ST base: 11. From what I recall, they were quite alert: -1 setback on Vigilance. Base XP: 95. They had those dumb snake-staves: normal staff, but with a maneuver they can turn it into a poison whip (or back to a staff)...range: short; dmg: 0; pierce 3; pick your poison.

As NPCs you'd have at least Warriors, Scouts, and Shaman, with an appropriate attribute boost.

32 minutes ago, whafrog said:

I read all those books

I'm blissfully ignorant of the Yuuzhan Vong as I bailed from the Star Wars books early as I saw the quality nosedive quickly.

So I get to approach this "project" without many preconceived notions.

My only direct knowledge of them is indirect, from Darth Krayt's background in John Ostrander's Star Wars: Legacy comics.

But they've been described to me as "what if Hellraiser and Star Wars had a really grimdark crossover", so I never had any inclination to look much closer.

1 hour ago, whafrog said:

They make less sense than any of the other things you mention. Not all fantastical-ness is "equal", the main problem is they break whatever internal consistency the universe had wrt the Force...cardinal sin IMHO.

I read all those books, and they all sucked (but like a junkie, there was no other Star Wars around, so I injected them along with everything else). The main flaw was the cheap premise, that they needed some kind of kryptonite to take away the Jedi's source of power. Superman needed kryptonite, because you paint yourself into a corner when your character is a god. But the Jedi were never Superman, never gods...they had enough flaws of their own that such kryptonite wasn't needed.

I already disliked it when the Ysalamiri did it. Yeah, they're these harmles furry lizard things that project a bubble inside which the power that creates life and binds the universe together does not exist. I think not.

I have no issues with the organic technology angle, but the invisible and immune to everything force related is a massive eye-roll.

1 hour ago, Ahrimon said:

I have no issues with the organic technology angle, but the invisible and immune to everything force related is a massive eye-roll.

Yeah as a Nid player in 40k for a couple of decades now, the organic tech aspect sounds quite appealing, but everything else about them mentioned here screams stay away.

When I take a step back and look at them, I didn't find the Yuuzhan Vong any worse (as a conceptual species) than any of the other hated species (here's looking at you Ewoks and Gungans). The storylines weren't as awful as everyone makes it sound, but they don't feel like Star Wars. I liked the Grimdark crossover comment.

The immune to force is only a step above the Hutts and Toydarians with their immunity to mind control. And the EU had brought into the universe the Ysalimiri (generating anti-force bubbles) and the Vornskyr (force hunting predator). The Vong were somewhat needed because the writers had kept building up the New Jedi Order to where they were becoming gods. Admittedly, a lot of this was bad writing and escalation from bad writing. But it is difficult to challenge a large order of Jedi who have been shown as capable of throwing Star Destroyers, absorbing AT-AT cannon fire, crushing AT-ATs, reaching into a sun to pull out an invulverable ship, starting supernovas, resurrecting the dead, etc.

Stat wise, I would give them a 3 willpower, and a 1 Presence. They were strong willed due to their pain-based culture, and very rarely were social. They would have complete force immunity, including sense or other factors. The Sense battle boosts would not trigger for instance, at least until the late era "Vongsense" was developed. And you would need to stat a lot of gear for them.

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I wonder what we would have gotten if if the kind of thinking that resulted in the force-immune Yuuzhan vong had been in charge of thinking up how the Jedi would bite it in the clone wars.

The clones would probably have been force immune, because Jedi would never fall for something so basic as getting shot in the back by people they trusted.

Stat them as a droid or Gank, with reskinning cybertech to biotech weaponry and gadgets

I have to admit that I never followed these books much at the time but looking at Wookieepedia and seeing this:

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Even a normally powerful telekinetic blast that was capable of launching an ordinary opponent off their feet at high speeds simply caused a Yuuzhan Vong either to stumble, or lose balance temporarily. While it was not possible to affect the Yuuzhan Vong directly through the use of the Force, it was possible to use indirect means to accomplish such a task, such as manipulating an object through telekinesis and throwing it at a Yuuzhan Vong, which would injure them, or by controlling the air in an attempt to increase the pressure, thus allowing a Jedi to, in effect, crush the Yuuzhan Vong.

It would seem to me that if Jedi focused on their armor instead of them, they should still be able to use Move against them. Unless they formed some sort of bubble around them that blocked it.

3 hours ago, Varlie said:

It would seem to me that if Jedi focused on their armor instead of them, they should still be able to use Move against them. Unless they formed some sort of bubble around them that blocked it.

The problem with this is that their armor is based on their biology, which is force immune. My explanation for why force blasts worked at all is that the longer they exist in our galaxy, the more midichlorians they begin to absorb, reducing their force immunity. In a couple generations, they may be down to the Hutt or Toydarian levels. Which could explain them entirely, if in ages past they migrated from the Vong galaxy.

Sorry you lost me at midichlorians

On 10/1/2019 at 1:50 AM, penpenpen said:

I wonder what we would have gotten if if the kind of thinking that resulted in the force-immune Yuuzhan vong had been in charge of thinking up how the Jedi would bite it in the clone wars.

The clones would probably have been force immune, because Jedi would never fall for something so basic as getting shot in the back by people they trusted.

Just like a room full of Jedi Masters would never fail to sense a Sith Lord sitting in front of them behind a desk.... oh wait

tbh i like eps 1-3