51 minutes ago, KalEl814 said:

I need hyperbole in my life more than I need oxygen or water, but this is not a great take.

Empire is always gonna be my favorite. In order for the plot to move Luke has to crash land on a planet within 100 yards from the dude he was looking for

As a kid I always thought that was caused by Yoda sensing him approaching and levitating the ship. Since Luke lost control of it on the way in.

51 minutes ago, KalEl814 said:

and also Vader tortures people on the off chance that someone he ran into one time will get powerful enough with the Force to be able to peer into the future and also happen to use that ability in such a way as to realize what Vader is doing with enough specificity to be able to find the planet and city where it’s happening out of all of the planets and cities in the entire galaxy.

Not to peer into the future, specifically I don't think. Just to sense their suffering with the force. It wasn't terribly far into the future. Vader doing this hoping Luke's past-self was going to be peering into the future, seems confusing even for 80's scifi.

51 minutes ago, KalEl814 said:

Nothing that’s happened in the ST so far has been that contrived and that’s just one of the things that Empire specifically and the OT in general needs to get its juices flowing.

Except Han watching 5 planets explode from the surface of a 6th planet. And everything else about Starkiller Base. But the real problem is that the sequels are derivative, not that they are contrived.

I guess to me it is about first and second viewings. Anything can look ridiculous if you re-watch it to death and nothing's perfect. I basically balance out how many times I thought "Wtf?" more times than I thought "Awesome!", the first time I see it. The second time I try to understand my initial reactions. Though, Episode 2 didn't earn a second viewing.

20 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Except Han watching 5 planets explode from the surface of a 6th planet. And everything else about Starkiller Base. But the real problem is that the sequels are derivative, not that they are contrived.

I dunno that Starkiller Base is contrived, but it’s sure pretty dumb. Why bother blowing up planets when you can just destroy the star they orbit?

Then again I don’t think that’s meaningfully any dumber than a space station the size of a moon that can blow up a planet with < 5 seconds of laser exposure. I don’t think Snoke’s ship is meaningfully sillier than a SUPER Star Destroyer. Etc., etc., etc.

28 minutes ago, KalEl814 said:

I dunno that Starkiller Base is contrived, but it’s sure pretty dumb. Why bother blowing up planets when you can just destroy the star they orbit?

Then again I don’t think that’s meaningfully any dumber than a space station the size of a moon that can blow up a planet with < 5 seconds of laser exposure. I don’t think Snoke’s ship is meaningfully sillier than a SUPER Star Destroyer. Etc., etc., etc.

Silly or contrived maybe not. But, in light of the pre-existing SW movies, it is derivative.

39 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Except Han watching 5 planets explode from the surface of a 6th planet. And everything else about Starkiller Base. But the real problem is that the sequels are derivative, not that they are contrived.

15 minutes ago, KalEl814 said:

Then again I don’t think that’s meaningfully any dumber than a space station the size of a moon that can blow up a planet with < 5 seconds of laser exposure. I don’t think Snoke’s ship is meaningfully sillier than a SUPER Star Destroyer. Etc., etc., etc.

I am not really sure if Starkiller base and the Supremacy is any worse then the Sun Crusher, the Eclipse 1(and 2), and the Death Star III. The good thing about Star Wars Legends was the thousands of stories with some really great stuff and just some really bad ones as well. The Star Wars wiki has a page on just a giant list of super weapons alone.

I would even throw on top that they hinted Papa Palp was behind everything and everyone knows he does love his super weapons. **** it looks like the super weapon for this movie is a fleet of Death Star Star Destroyers.

I also like the idea of the Supremacy, a mobile capital of the First Order that could build other star destroyers. A cross between the Eclipse and the world devastators.

3 minutes ago, RyantheFett said:

I am not really sure if Starkiller base and the Supremacy is any worse then the Sun Crusher, the Eclipse 1(and 2), and the Death Star III.

Yeah... but there's different standards for the actual films than the assorted spinoff media. It's not like I'd expect to hold anyone to what we already know about hoojibs and duloks. Also, I (like most people, I'd imagine) was not familiar with the Sun Crusher, the Eclipse 1(and 2), and the Death Star III, so I did not use them to evaluate the sequels.

Even as a hard bit SW fan, I checked out pretty early into the EU's flights of fancy.

39 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Silly or contrived maybe not. But, in light of the pre-existing SW movies, it is derivative.

I'd agree that the weaponry / presentation of the FO is derivative of the OT, absolutely. I don't think there's any real argument to be made against that as it seems pretty obvious it's by design.

10 minutes ago, KalEl814 said:

I'd agree that the weaponry / presentation of the FO is derivative of the OT, absolutely. I don't think there's any real argument to be made against that as it seems pretty obvious it's by design.

Yeah but when something works, it's inspired by or an homage to. When you don't think it works, it's derivative of

Kinda like how when you don't like an artificial material it's fake and when you do like it, it's faux.

3 hours ago, EchoZero said:

Something something "Hyperspace plot hole" something something "Mary Sue" something something "ruined childhood"

9__9


Whenever someone brings up the hyperspace ram all I can think of is that Doctor Who bit about how things don't exist until they do.

DOCTOR: They're ghosts! Yeah, ghosts
CLARA: You said there was no such thing. You actually pooh-poohed the ghost theory.
DOCTOR: Yes, well... Well, there was no such thing as... as socks or smartphones and badgers until there suddenly were.

There was no such thing as hyperspace ramming until one day there was. Why? Maybe everyone in the galaxy thought it was impossible and they never gave it any real effort... Based on the outcry about that scene from the fans who all think it's impossible, that's not a far stretch...

There is no problem with something new, and I’m sure I can speak for others who have also expressed the same opinion to you, the problem with each of those things are the consequences they bring with them. Hyperspace ramming has the most consequences. In 5, 000 years that hyperspace was supposed to have existed no one being has ever thought of doing that? Now a big whole is created in the Star Wars Cannon that is created because the movie did not address that, and making up an answer in a comic or a book and calling it cannon is not good enough. Not all fans read or care about the books or comics and it shouldn’t be required like some kind of homework or a “gotcha” that you need to give them even more money to get the full story.

To the other commenters who are obvious fans of TLJ:

Anyone who gets indignant about someone else’s opinion is just trying to reinforce their own opinion to themselves.

I don’t agree with people who liked the movie and most of them will not admit that TLJ was a bad movie, but on some level they know that it is, and because their belief is now threatened in their own mind because of someone else explaining the flaws, they must stamp out that contrary belief. You can still like something that is bad. People will disagree with you, and that’s ok, it’s called diversity and it’s something to be embraced without labeling someone or calling them man babies or someone who even uses a term like SJW or some other name. I have heard many labels and expressions from fans of TLJ. People who dislike TLJ are part of the dark side, or like the post above, it’s a peaceful life to be a fan of TLJ implying that non fans are somehow not at peace. Please understand, most fans that hate TLJ are passionate fans who only want to discus their feelings about a movie that they feel was a wrecking ball for the franchise, but it in no way detracts from your ability to like the movie. Aside from a very small minority of very vocal fans, the people who dislike TLJ, don’t have a problem with those that like the movie. We don’t understand you, but we respect your opinion as your own, but vitriol, divisive and discordant comments and expressions usually come from the fans of TLJ and those comments come in increasing numbers. People who do not like what you like do not need some kind of social correction, it’s just another opinion, again diversity.

Before someone reads my comments above and makes some other derogatory comment, as this topic is very divisive on its own, I will not be responding to further comments in this thread. You have your opinions. I have mind. We are both entitled to them without reprisal or recriminations.

43 minutes ago, JediPartisan said:

Anyone who gets indignant about someone else’s opinion is just trying to reinforce their own opinion to themselves.

I don’t agree with people who liked the movie and most of them will not admit that TLJ was a bad movie, but on some level they know that it is, and because their belief is now threatened in their own mind because of someone else explaining the flaws, they must stamp out that contrary belief.

The irony tree bears bitter fruit.

Does anyone else think that this is sort of the Star Wars cycle now? Are we destined to hate, love, and fight about the franchise all while the mouse milks us for more money?

I get the some of the hate for TLJ, but I find it to be a pretty fine move. As worse I can say it's average with some really strange choices for the middle of three movies. I guess it is that I am still in shock for how much love the prequels movies get now. The fact that some now say they are better then the OG trilogy dispite the years of making fun of Jar Jar and the hate of sand? If Star Wars could survive that, it will survive the mistakes of TLJ.

And for comparison I have seen the horror show of Game of Thrones. Realized the time, money, and emotional investment I put into a franchise that most likely crashed and burned for reasons that we may never know. Star Wars still has so much going for it I can easily forgive one (okay maybe not forgive AotC) movie when I am getting starhawks in armada, more thawn, or doctor aphra comics.

Just now, RyantheFett said:

Does anyone else think that this is sort of the Star Wars cycle now? Are we destined to hate, love, and fight about the franchise all while the mouse milks us for more money?

It's been like this since the special editions and the prequels, honestly. It's nothing new. The ST is different only in that there are 2 eras of Star Wars to be nostalgic for and not just one. I love the OT, my cousins love the PT, my nieces and nephews love the ST.

6 hours ago, R3dReVenge said:

It was also indicated in a study that the new SW trilogy is failing with the younger audiences aswell. Children just aren't as interested in SW as previous generations...

Source? I am genuinely curious to see this study.

3 hours ago, Rcracken7 said:

Source? I am genuinely curious to see this study.

It was posted on here a few weeks ago. Dive through some of the Force Order threads and you’ll find the link.

5 hours ago, JediPartisan said:

There is no problem with something new, and I’m sure I can speak for others who have also expressed the same opinion to you, the problem with each of those things are the consequences they bring with them. Hyperspace ramming has the most consequences. In 5, 000 years that hyperspace was supposed to have existed no one being has ever thought of doing that? Now a big whole is created in the Star Wars Cannon that is created because the movie did not address that, and making up an answer in a comic or a book and calling it cannon is not good enough. Not all fans read or care about the books or comics and it shouldn’t be required like some kind of homework or a “gotcha” that you need to give them even more money to get the full story.

To the other commenters who are obvious fans of TLJ:

Anyone who gets indignant about someone else’s opinion is just trying to reinforce their own opinion to themselves.

I don’t agree with people who liked the movie and most of them will not admit that TLJ was a bad movie, but on some level they know that it is, and because their belief is now threatened in their own mind because of someone else explaining the flaws, they must stamp out that contrary belief. You can still like something that is bad. People will disagree with you, and that’s ok, it’s called diversity and it’s something to be embraced without labeling someone or calling them man babies or someone who even uses a term like SJW or some other name. I have heard many labels and expressions from fans of TLJ. People who dislike TLJ are part of the dark side, or like the post above, it’s a peaceful life to be a fan of TLJ implying that non fans are somehow not at peace. Please understand, most fans that hate TLJ are passionate fans who only want to discus their feelings about a movie that they feel was a wrecking ball for the franchise, but it in no way detracts from your ability to like the movie. Aside from a very small minority of very vocal fans, the people who dislike TLJ, don’t have a problem with those that like the movie. We don’t understand you, but we respect your opinion as your own, but vitriol, divisive and discordant comments and expressions usually come from the fans of TLJ and those comments come in increasing numbers. People who do not like what you like do not need some kind of social correction, it’s just another opinion, again diversity.

Before someone reads my comments above and makes some other derogatory comment, as this topic is very divisive on its own, I will not be responding to further comments in this thread. You have your opinions. I have mind. We are both entitled to them without reprisal or recriminations.

Very well written response. It seems like people who enjoy TLJ get sensitive and aggressive when someone brings up how much of a dumpster fire the movie was.

Hope the next one isn’t a train wreck.

2 hours ago, R3dReVenge said:

Very well written response. It seems like people who enjoy TLJ get sensitive and aggressive when someone brings up how much of a dumpster fire the movie was.

Hope the next one isn’t a train wreck.

"It seems like dog-lovers get sensitive and aggressive when someone brings up how they are disgusting soulless beasts."

"It seems like trainspotters and locomotive enthusiasts get sensitive and aggressive when someone brings up how much of a worthless mode of transport they are."

"It seems like people who like a thing get sensitive and aggressive when someone brings up claims that the thing they like is a dumpster fire, stating it as objective fact rather than subjective opinion."

It would seem so, yes.

2 hours ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

"It seems like dog-lovers get sensitive and aggressive when someone brings up how they are disgusting soulless beasts."

"It seems like trainspotters and locomotive enthusiasts get sensitive and aggressive when someone brings up how much of a worthless mode of transport they are."

"It seems like people who like a thing get sensitive and aggressive when someone brings up claims that the thing they like is a dumpster fire, stating it as objective fact rather than subjective opinion."

It would seem so, yes.

I mean, you're rather proving his point. If I buy a vanilla ice cream, dislike it, and proceed to criticise that specific cone on specific externally-verifiable(and so not entirely subjective) measures, and you as a big fan of vanilla ice cream decide to take that personally, you are the problem there. It's perfectly okay to enjoy a vanilla ice cream that's served half-melted and runny, with a flake that's obviously been cut in half by the stingy proprietor, and a soggy cone, but trying to deny it's a bad example of an ice cream cone and insisting that someone pointing out the product you enjoy despite its flaws is in fact flawed is justification for getting "aggressive" towards them is just comedy.

I enjoy plenty of things that are, by any reasonable measure, bloody awful. Being able to acknowledge the flaws in the things you like without internalising the criticism of those things as criticism of you is pretty much word one of page one in the Big Book Of Being An Adult.

Oh they're not THAT bad. Just bringing back plastic costumes and rubber puppets instead of lots of wholly CGI things was a big improvement. And the flaws in the characters aren't about inexplicable abilities (cause the abilities make as much or more sense as what we've become accustomed to in SW), they're about a bland lack of motivation. One of the things ANH did really well was establish motivation that carried through the entire OT. As a member of the audience, I inhabit the protagonists. If they don't have solid motivation nested into the back of my mind, I don't care about the outcomes of their adventures.

Rey is established onscreen as a capable melee combatant and pilot before her adventures begin. As opposed to a Mary Sue, who would not only turn out to be a skilled combatant* she would turn out to be the only person in the room at a crucial time to speak fluent Greek, know how to fix diesel engines, and be an expert on rare stamps. People do not get how bad the Mary Sue charge is. It's way beyond what you'll normally find in A-list movies, including the sequels.

Luke saw his family turned into charred skeletons. Leia watched her home planet blow up. That's some serious motivation in a film for young people, because these speak to the biggest personal tragedies imaginable to children. ANH also threw us some tantalizing lines about Luke's parentage, Jabba and the Emperor. So we were on the hook for that mystique and curiosity. That level of mystique, to keep us viewers interested, is also lacking in most of the post-ROTJ films.

Star Wars transcended genre. Like Johnny Cash. But a lot of what allowed it to do that is gone. Namely mystique, synthesis of film classics, and pushing the envelope of dirty grittiness in a kid's movie. So for example, an A-Wing crashing into the Executor (killing off the familiar Piett), which in turn crashed into the Death Star II, and Admiral Ackbar just looking tired and sad about it, is some serious stuff for a child to think about. That kind of stuff is rare in New Wars.

* Seriously, it's an action movie, you should just assume every goodguy is a gifted fighter by fiat, it's kind of a convention of the genre.

14 hours ago, JediPartisan said:

There is no problem with something new, and I’m sure I can speak for others who have also expressed the same opinion to you, the problem with each of those things are the consequences they bring with them. Hyperspace ramming has the most consequences. In 5, 000 years that hyperspace was supposed to have existed no one being has ever thought of doing that? Now a big whole is created in the Star Wars Cannon that is created because the movie did not address that, and making up an answer in a comic or a book and calling it cannon is not good enough. Not all fans read or care about the books or comics and it shouldn’t be required like some kind of homework or a “gotcha” that you need to give them even more money to get the full story

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, all we know for sure is that in this universe didn't consider it an economic way of combat. In a fictional universe where the consequences of misusing already scientifically implausible super tech is vague, they can write a scene like this and expect the audience to extrapolate the necessary information. It's not hard. Here's the information you can extrapolate.

Hyperspace ramming is likely very difficult, but not impossible, making it an ineffective way to fight wars.

How can this be extrapolated?

They didn't use this as a weapon for 5000 years. Which indicates that there's something preventing it. At the same time, when the Raddus was turning to face the Supremacy, right before the the hyperspace ram, both the ship's captain and Hux reacted. Therefore, they knew it could be done. Whether they roll out lore or not, that's all the relevant information you need to be able to extrapolate on your own.

I really believe people are making a much bigger deal out of this scene than they need to.

Let me assure you, nothing will ever be good enough. Star Wars fans are the worst. Always something new to complain about.

"Too much CGI"
"Jar Jar ruined the movie"
"It's just a clone of OT"
"Now it's too different from the OT"

On and on and on...

9__9

8 hours ago, R3dReVenge said:

It seems like people who enjoy TLJ get sensitive and aggressive when someone brings up how much of a dumpster fire the movie was.

Hope the next one isn’t a train wreck.

I mean, he was replying to my comment, where I was neither sensitive or aggressive, so maybe?

Though I think it's hilarious that anyone who defends the choices they made is defending a "dumpster fire".

Whatever the case I just can't wait for these people that got so upset with VIII that they "opted out of Star Wars" because their "childhoods are ruined" to not be there for IX. Those theaters were so packed during the 5 times I saw VIII, it'll be nice to not be drowning in the stink of a bunch of unshowered troglodytes to see IX.

9 hours ago, R3dReVenge said:

Very well written response. It seems like people who enjoy TLJ get sensitive and aggressive when someone brings up how much of a dumpster fire the movie was.

Hope the next one isn’t a train wreck.

It's not a dumpster fire lol.

39 minutes ago, EchoZero said:

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, all we know for sure is that in this universe didn't consider it an economic way of combat. In a fictional universe where the consequences of misusing already scientifically implausible super tech is vague, they can write a scene like this and expect the audience to extrapolate the necessary information.

I really can't extrapolate that in a way that makes sense. Like how Han had never tried out a bowcaster in all that time hanging out with Chewbacca. This was a serious "wtf?" moment for me. Turns out a big ore hauler or something with hyperdrive, and one pilot's lost life instead of many, is all the rebellion needed to destroy the Death Star! Why the empire wouldn't weaponize this with specially programmed droids that don't cost any lives, is another immediate question: hyperdrives aren't that expensive cause apparently even individual probe droids have them. Throw in the hyperbolic "that's impossible!" hyperdrive trick of the Falcon in TFA, and we're getting into a seriously shaky set of in-universe rules. If Laura Dern's suicide mission was the one big flaw that would be fine (like the truly puzzling flight plan of the Tantive IV in R:1) but this yet one more thing on the big pile of "wtf?" moments. With way too few (and admittedly subjective) "That was awesome!" moments to balance them out. You need like a 3:1 ratio of "Awesome" to "wtf?".

The argument of "It happened onscreen so it makes sense" reminds me of a DnD player who claimed that their paladin would never break the rules of their religion, therefore, anything they chose to do as a player MUST be cool with the rules of that religion. If they decided the paladin needed lie to an NPC, that must mean it's ok to lie in their religion, since the paladin would never break an actual rule. Since they were dating the DM, this was allowed. Because this debate isn't nerdy enough...

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Let me assure you, nothing will ever be good enough. Star Wars fans are the worst. Always something new to complain about.

Not true! I used to think I didn't like the newer films cause I'm not a kid anymore. Then Rogue One happened. Holy cow. The mystery of the Tantive IV's flight plan was like an intentional flaw added to a perfect work of mortals, so as not to anger the gods. That film could have easily been bad: the trailers had some truly cringe-worthy lines. None of which appeared in the final movie, thankfully.

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Whatever the case I just can't wait for these people that got so upset with VIII that they "opted out of Star Wars" because their "childhoods are ruined"

My childhood was ruined by madness in, death of, and uncovering horrible truths about, beloved relatives. I envy people whose adulthood was such smooth sailing that their childhood was ruined by a sucky movie.

I look forward to new movies and series and merchandise.

TPM was a two hour Economics Lesson.

AotC was a slow moving "who-dunnit" until the final battle.

RotS was the defining moment of the prequels. Even though you knew Anakin was going to become Vader, Lucas still made you feel like "maybe he will change his mind" I felt the entire prequel saga could have been told by just expanding this movie.

ANH was the perfect blend of humor and action for all audiences. The unexpected hit of the late seventies. People didn't ask "have" you seen Star Wars, they asked "how many times" have you seen Star Wars. People may not be familiar with Star Wars but Darth Vader is as recognzable as Mickey Mouse.

ESB was and still is the Crown Jewel of the franchise. Same heroes/villains but with character development and a new group of characters that were unique and memorable. Everybody has a Yoda impression and everyone knows someone who can name all 6 bounty hunters from the one and only scene they appeared in.

RotJ was the "lets answer all questions and tie up any loose ends that might exist" movie. It was entertaining but everyone just went through the motions.

TFA was supposed to be a call back to what made the OT great. The problem was they forgot to let us get to know the characters and develop them. Same story different lead characters.

TLJ was unfortunately the longest of the films to date and the most confusing. They tried to mix up the ESB story and failed. The failed Battle of Hoth. (Crait) Rose and Tico meet a Con Man who double crosses them to the First Order. (Han and Leia on Bespin) The cat and mouse space chase. (Millenium Falcon in the asteroid field) Rey and a reluctant Jedi Hermit with a force ghost. (Luke and Yoda with Obi Wan) ** TLJ could have had one resounding fix. Every other film had reshoots yet TLJ was deemed perfect by RJ and KK? We all knew Carrie Fisher passed and would not return for TRoS. Why not edit the footage to where Leia stays behind instead of Holdo to make the ultimate sacrifice. (couldve been mostly a hand double) Have her iconic theme building up as she charges head on. (I think the moment of dead silence would have had more impact) Luke survives in to TRoS to finish training Rey. It would have been just as easy for Holdo to say "why are you looking at me, follow him."**

Rogue One offically killed the Star Wars EU and essentially gave us two hour explanation of the text crawl of the beginning of ANH. Also they gave us that "Rage" scene with Vader that really throws off the whole "tear this ship apart, and bring me the prisoners I want them alive!" To quote Hector Barbossa "people are easier to search when dead"

Solo was a decent film. Unfortunately they tried to reinvent characters that Star Wars fans already knew eveything about. The dumbest part of the film is giving him his last name. The name Solo had weight on Corellia, Han just wanted to stay out of the family business.

I don't get all the fuss over not having Han, Luke and Leia in the sequels. They weren't in the prequels (except for the Luke and Leia baby scene) and no one complained. It is a different era and a new-ish story. (bit of a stretch)

They should have outlned the entire story and then decided how much each director would get to put their spin on.

TLJ has largely driven me to hate Star Wars, though mostly because I used to love the fans and now I just.... don't love the fans.

Honestly, at this point it might just be movies as an entire culture. The Marvel comments that kick off this thread are equally miserable. I haven't had an enjoyable movie discussion since.... IDK... maybe Guardians of the Galaxy vol 1? The amount of creative control fans seem to be trying to claim over this stuff these days is ridiculous.

48 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

I really can't extrapolate that in a way that makes sense. Like how Han had never tried out a bowcaster in all that time hanging out with Chewbacca. This was a serious "wtf?" moment for me. Turns out a big ore hauler or something with hyperdrive, and one pilot's lost life instead of many, is all the rebellion needed to destroy the Death Star! Why the empire wouldn't weaponize this with specially programmed droids that don't cost any lives, is another immediate question: hyperdrives aren't that expensive cause apparently even individual probe droids have them. Throw in the hyperbolic "that's impossible!" hyperdrive trick of the Falcon in TFA, and we're getting into a seriously shaky set of in-universe rules. If Laura Dern's suicide mission was the one big flaw that would be fine (like the truly puzzling flight plan of the Tantive IV in R:1) but this yet one more thing on the big pile of "wtf?" moments. With way too few (and admittedly subjective) "That was awesome!" moments to balance them out. You need like a 3:1 ratio of "Awesome" to "wtf?".

The argument of "It happened onscreen so it makes sense" reminds me of a DnD player who claimed that their paladin would never break the rules of their religion, therefore, anything they chose to do as a player MUST be cool with the rules of that religion. If they decided the paladin needed lie to an NPC, that must mean it's ok to lie in their religion, since the paladin would never break an actual rule. Since they were dating the DM, this was allowed. Because this debate isn't nerdy enough...

We disagree, but I love this discussion lmao

There's a post that I saw that concerned the rules to hyperspace that explained pretty well why this could happen while still allowing it to be near inaccessible, but alas, I've lost the post since then.

The highlights had to do with canon material explaining mass shadows in hyperspace, and how many objects don't create a shadow in hyperspace, like the asteroids of alderaan. In ANH Han jumps the falcon into an asteroid field to be immediately bombarded by debris... these objects didn't effect his hyperspace travel, it's also presumed that since one can travel through an entire galaxy that some objects don't create shadows and therefore don't effect a ship in hyper space. For instance alone the many many many light years they cross was there any sort of space debris? some gaseous clouds maybe? Nothing? It's improbable that the hyperspace path would cross nothing, even in space. especially in a galaxy so vastly populated. Also consider then the number of ships traveling at any given time. They don't collide even though star wars uses a hyperspace lane idea.... Why? The conclusion drawn was that most objects, short of something with the mass and gravitational pull of a planet, don't effect hyperspace.

The post went on to explain something that's fairly overlooked. The wind-up to lightspeed. In lore, the ship isn't actually speeding up, it's being pushed into another dimension by a special engine. But when this happens the ship is very clearly seen speeding very fast until it literally disappears.



I actually found the post looking for gifs lol

I'm not deleting what I wrote already, but this explains it really well. lol Big surprise, it's Darth Sanguis again lol

I would contest that the rules for star wars have always been shaky.

1 hour ago, KalEl814 said:

It's not a dumpster fire lol.

Oh, my sweet summer child.....

Hey look another argument about TLJ! cool! Have you guys convinced each other yet? Because none of us have seen any of these debate points before. I honestly couldn't stand TLJ, which killed Solo imo which I was pleasantly surprised about. I am honestly happy that someone did enjoy it though. I wanted to so bad.

Im super excited about the Mandalorian. I hope it is good. It looks amazing. I thought R1 was OK. I wished it had greater continuity with New Hope though. It would have been an easy fix too. Just let Vader kill that ship and have the guys transmit it to Leia's ship super far away. Then it would be ridiculous for Leia and her crew to attempt to deny being involved. Vader would be like "dude....I was on your freaking ship and left a pile of bodies from a terrorist strike YOUR ship fled from..."

TFA was a re-hash of New Hope, but it worked for me as a starting point for a promising new set of movies. Some one said they rate the movies on WTF moments vs awesome moments. That is a really great point. I do that too. I just had about 4 times as many wtf moments in TLJ than awesome moments (that Saber fight with the guard after Ren kills Snoke was unparalleled imo though). I just with Rian Johnson would have answered some of the questions we were left wondering about after TFA. I had a friend ask who was going to play Leia in ep9 (before we learned they were using old footage) and I replied "the only logical answer to that question would be Rian Johnson. That dude is the only reason that question is even asked. There was like 3 different times they could have let her just die in TLJ but refused to do it. Oh well.

I wish I had higher hopes for ep9 but it will be very difficult to pull me and many other fans back into the story after what they did with TLJ. I hope all of you that enjoyed TLJ enjoy it though. I'm glad it didn't put a bad taste in your mouth. I find myself honestly jealous of your joy you can get from watching it.