@Alpha17, Plan for the worse, hope for the best. Then despair for the inevitable delays.
@Caimheul1313, wonder what happened when Barnes and Noble released XWing Wave 4 early. There's probably not much FFG could say that would scare B&N.
Miniature Market has shipped my Clone Wars Legion
It’s not just Germany, apparently; it was allegedly at Hamburg, which is likely the shipment for most of central Europe (but not UK).
I can see why FFG wouldn’t want to release the product to the US while leaving Europe in the lurch for an extra month.
Edited by Orkimedes3 hours ago, Orkimedes said:It’s not just Germany, apparently; it was allegedly at Hamburg, which is likely the shipment for most of central Europe (but not UK).
I can see why FFG wouldn’t want to release the product to the US while leaving Europe in the lurch for an extra month.
Even if FFG wanted to, I doubt Asmodee would let them, being based in Europe and all. 😛
4 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:Even if FFG wanted to, I doubt Asmodee would let them, being based in Europe and all. 😛
Right; and my understanding is that FFG just designs the games, and Asmodee does all the logistics and such, so that makes sense.
My only real issue is the guys who got sets at gen con have way more experience with the stuff... you want a simultaneous release and then release to a select few who have a ton of time to practice and figure out builds.
If they did not sell at gencon then sure hold it... but its already out of the bag.
11 hours ago, Icelom said:My only real issue is the guys who got sets at gen con have way more experience with the stuff... you want a simultaneous release and then release to a select few who have a ton of time to practice and figure out builds.
If they did not sell at gencon then sure hold it... but its already out of the bag.
Yup. The product hasn't changed since GenCon.
FFG and Asmodee must be ultra paranoid to have another Destiny fiasco. Understandable.
Tho, if the product is great, then FFG and Asmodee should have nothing to worry about. A staggered release shouldn't affect sales if all of Europe got theirs at the same time and North America too.
Another wonder, did the XWing Wave 4 fiasco with Australia and Barnes and Noble affect sales? From what I've seen on forums and tournaments, I'd say no.
38 minutes ago, FastWalker said:Yup. The product hasn't changed since GenCon.
FFG and Asmodee must be ultra paranoid to have another Destiny fiasco. Understandable.
Tho, if the product is great, then FFG and Asmodee should have nothing to worry about. A staggered release shouldn't affect sales if all of Europe got theirs at the same time and North America too.
Another wonder, did the XWing Wave 4 fiasco with Australia and Barnes and Noble affect sales? From what I've seen on forums and tournaments, I'd say no.
I think they are more worried about scalping and perception than sales.
I also think if Miniature Market doesn't ship early, we aren't talking about any of this right now.
It’s different than Destiny though cause people already play Legion.
On 9/21/2019 at 11:24 PM, Icelom said:My only real issue is the guys who got sets at gen con have way more experience with the stuff... you want a simultaneous release and then release to a select few who have a ton of time to practice and figure out builds.
This might carry a lot more weight if you couldn't make your own lists with the spoiled cards, play them on your own or use them on tabletop simulator.
13 hours ago, Orkimedes said:I think they are more worried about scalping and perception than sales.
I also think if Miniature Market doesn't ship early, we aren't talking about any of this right now.
I doubt they're worried about scalping. Cuz i hate FFG's exclusive releases. Like for XWing they had a special paint job on Vulture droids only sold at a con during May 4th. It sold for $100+ on eBay. FFG never cared.
Next month for Worlds Tournament, all participating players will receive an exclusive custom everything Plo Koon Aethersprite Jedi Starfighter. People are already anticipating selling theirs for $300 on eBay.
Very infuriating.
Tho smart players will say no to those outrageous eBay prices and just have a standard Aethersprite custom painted for a fraction.
PS - @Orkimedes, love your username.
3 hours ago, FastWalker said:I doubt they're worried about scalping. Cuz i hate FFG's exclusive releases. Like for XWing they had a special paint job on Vulture droids only sold at a con during May 4th. It sold for $100+ on eBay. FFG never cared.
Next month for Worlds Tournament, all participating players will receive an exclusive custom everything Plo Koon Aethersprite Jedi Starfighter. People are already anticipating selling theirs for $300 on eBay.
Very infuriating.
Tho smart players will say no to those outrageous eBay prices and just have a standard Aethersprite custom painted for a fraction.
PS - @Orkimedes, love your username.
The kind of scalping FFG and other manufacturers are worried about is international scalping, not reselling of exclusives.
If Legion releases everywhere but Europe, then many of the customers in Europe will order the Core set from sellers that are based in the other regions. This means that the European sellers won't have as many customers, and therefore will order less product from the European distributor(s). It also makes it harder to track to relative popularity of Legion by region, since they probably use sales figures to estimate that.
Additionally, since legality of units in tournament play is based on the general release, there is now the problem of having a different tournament legal date in one market than the others.
1 hour ago, Caimheul1313 said:
Additionally, since legality of units in tournament play is based on the general release, there is now the problem of having a different tournament legal date in one market than the others.
I think this is what they are missing. I know that they have their 11 day policy, but would it really be that hard to say "not major tournament legal until Nov 15" or whatever to take care of markets that get it early?
28 minutes ago, crx3800 said:I think this is what they are missing. I know that they have their 11 day policy, but would it really be that hard to say "not major tournament legal until Nov 15" or whatever to take care of markets that get it early?
That hurts them if they are in fact able to get the stuff out before November 4th (using your date). It also particularly hurts events that happen the week before that, like Warfaire Weekend, which was supposed to be the first big even with the new factions. Now that's looking to not be the case, but a blanket statement this far in advance wouldn't be the way to handle the issue because it locks them in on something. Personally, I'd think that having different dates for legality based on region/continent would be the better way to go.
19 hours ago, Orkimedes said:I also think if Miniature Market doesn't ship early, we aren't talking about any of this right now.
As I said on Discord, yeah, we still would. MM's early release adds fuel to the fire; it didn't start the fire in and of itself. The three or four other threads on the subject are proof of that. As soon as the hold order was announced, myself and others called it stupid, even before we learned for whom the order was designed to help.
On 9/21/2019 at 1:15 AM, smickletz said:It’s a race between Legion: CLone Wars and my firstborn to see who will be delivered first!
I think you need to get your priorities in order. This is a once in a lifetime situation! You cannot simply miss the delivery just because a kid is being born.
Edited by famadotrust me, the kid will do everything in their power before their 18 to make you regret missing out on the clone wars for their birth.
4 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:If Legion releases everywhere but Europe, then many of the customers in Europe will order the Core set from sellers that are based in the other regions. This means that the European sellers won't have as many customers, and therefore will order less product from the European distributor(s). It also makes it harder to track to relative popularity of Legion by region, since they probably use sales figures to estimate that.
Fair enough. Good point. Tho i was disappointed with Asmodee/ FFG lack of response to South American Wave 1 shipment issues. It would've been nice if Asmodee did something when it happened. Not a Wave or two later.
2 hours ago, Alpha17 said:As soon as the hold order was announced, myself and others called it stupid, even before we learned for whom the order was designed to help.
Completely agree. We'll see if Barnes and Noble will ever prerelease again. I bet Barnes and Noble was told never to release again until they hear from the Almighty Asmodee.
Witness this fully-armed and operational battle Replicants!
2 minutes ago, FastWalker said:Witness this fully-armed and operational battle Replicants!
Well, I'm not gonna lie, I'm a little sour about this. Congrats to the lucky son of a gun who got it.
8 minutes ago, FastWalker said:Witness this fully-armed and operational battle Replicants!
Crush Them!!
2 minutes ago, TheHoosh said:Crush Them!!
For the Republic!!!
6 minutes ago, EchoZero said:Well, I'm not gonna lie, I'm a little sour about this. Congrats to the lucky son of a gun who got it.
I think Asmodee/FFG needs to really stick to their release dates and plan accordingly. It is really bothersome when they say, "Hey, vendors. Ship on X Day... No, wait!... Okay, now... WAIT!"
They've been thru so many releases that they can plan ahead and account for potential problems. When asked about how long a project will take, engineers and programmers will come up in their heads 40 hours. Then they will tell their client/project manager 120 hours (3 times as much as they anticipated). Why? Because they know complications will arise and that buffer will account for that.
Of course, that's a much simpler example. But, I'm sure with careful planning that Asmodee/FFG can anticipate complications before release dates. Like communicating with customs office to ensure products aren't held up.
If not, then Asmodee/FFG need to plan something else. Like communicating with vendors that there will be an official release date and a delayed release date. Vendors should only ship when communicated on that date.
1 hour ago, FastWalker said:If not, then Asmodee/FFG need to plan something else. Like communicating with vendors that there will be an official release date and a delayed release date. Vendors should only ship when communicated on that date.
This.
Though I must say that these release/not/release/not yet/soon... moments do make me feel that the guys at FFG are more passionate about their games than I expected.
I can imagine them being so enthusiastic about the releases that they want to get them out as soon as possible so everyone can enjoy them too.
Of course enthusiasm does get in the way some times. I've been there myself.
Though it is no excuse for the lack of communication. Especially when issues arise.
As much as I like to see stuff early, the GW model is likely the best for release communication. They generally don’t even reveal the existence of a product until it is 2-3 weeks out from release and they have a firm date (with a few exceptions). Basically it is with distributors already before it is even previewed.
FFG/Asmodee might be too leaky for that model, who knows.
Edited by OrkimedesOrkimedes, maybe just reducing the time from announcement to release would be a good thing. Anything. We've what feels like forever building up hype for Clone Wars, it's kinda funny to me how easy it is to lose the enthusiasm.
Edited by crx3800You're not wrong. They first announced that Clone Wars would be a thing at GenCon last year, and did the official product announcement at AdeptiCon. Its been a heck of a long time since those events. I don't know if its possible for me to lose interest, but I'd probably be more interested in a lot of the GCW stuff they've put out recently/announced if I wasn't already shifting gears into the Clone Wars.
21 hours ago, crx3800 said:maybe just reducing the time from announcement to release would be a good thing. Anything. We've what feels like forever building up hype for Clone Wars, it's kinda funny to me how easy it is to lose the enthusiasm.
2 hours ago, Alpha17 said:You're not wrong. They first announced that Clone Wars would be a thing at GenCon last year, and did the official product announcement at AdeptiCon. Its been a heck of a long time since those events.
Gen con and other cons should just be skipped by FFG. They announce stuff too early for them and throw that on top of that the crazy new release order/lack of Clone Wars releases, changing dates, announcing stuff not even a week after Gen con, and products being delayed. Seems like a better option would be to just stay away from major event announcements and just do it their normal way.
They would still have issues, but they would not be getting complaints about the stuff coming out next year.