20 minutes ago, R3dReVenge said:

A logical approach would to prevent future mishaps (like this) from happening.

Unfortunately, humans are not always logical, and groups of humans are even less likely to be logical in many situations. Especially when money is involved.

21 minutes ago, R3dReVenge said:

Weather or not it has a huge impact isn't the point. The point is they will lose a significant flow of profits

What's the difference between "huge" and "significant"? You're saying this without citing any numbers at all. What is the absolute value in dollars, after all expenses, do you suggest this is costing the owners of the company? What percent of the annual profit do you think that is? I don't know what a flow of profits is supposed to look like, because profit flow isn't a thing in business. Cash flow is, but that's not the same thing as profits.

21 minutes ago, R3dReVenge said:

AND it will hurt community LGS because of this mishap.

How many do you think will close over it? How many LGS owners are going to have to cancel their home renovation plans or go on a diet, due to lost revenues from this? If you're that close to the line that one part of one niche game can measurably hurt you, your store is already doomed. I suggest that "annoy" is a more accurate word than "hurt". Magic cards, snacks, dice, and paint are what keeps most of these store's lights on. Things like core set sales are nice, but ultimately are advertisements for paint and snacks. The fate of an alternate core set for a game as low down the ladder as Legion is not going to hurt them much.

21 minutes ago, R3dReVenge said:

Trust me, the people at the top are not happy with what is going down with this release (or maybe I'm giving them to much credit).

The people at the top probably caused this due to some convoluted theory, and think that the results will justify it. This was probably some out of touch person's idea for avoiding an even bigger PR issue if, for example, stores immediately sold out and didn't get restocked for a long time. If that's true I think they were wrong, but they'll probably go to their grave not seeing it that way.

Games Workshop significantly delayed all pre-orders back in 2000 or 2001 "to make sure we have enough for everybody". Fantasy Flight will be fine. They can't buy advertising as good as getting us all to talk this much about a product. Say anything you want about the Clone Wars starter set, just don't spell its name wrong.

32 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Unfortunately, humans are not always logical, and groups of humans are even less likely to be logical in many situations. Especially when money is involved.

Most people would rather be seen as important by other people, than make more money/get more food/live longer/etc. I'd rather get a 2 million dollar bonus and lots of applause in the boardroom for my big idea, than get a 2.5 million dollar bonus while I clap for someone else who's great idea led us to more money. Most people would also rather die charging an entrenched enemy, than stand up to the group by saying that this is a terrible plan.

Because for a very, very long time, before we were even H. s., belonging to, and status within, a social group got people more surviving offspring than anything else they could achieve.

4 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

What's the difference between "huge" and "significant"? You're saying this without citing any numbers at all. What is the absolute value in dollars, after all expenses, do you suggest this is costing the owners of the company? What percent of the annual profit do you think that is? I don't know what a flow of profits is supposed to look like, because profit flow isn't a thing in business. Cash flow is, but that's not the same thing as profits.

You're missing the point. It's a fact that they will lose sales over. There have been several posters on here that have claimed that they are no longer going to support CW. I personally know people that are no longer going to support CW. The logical conclusion is to believe that many more people are feeling this way. Loss of additional sales is always a bad thing. You keep failing to understand this concept.

7 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

How many do you think will close over it? How many LGS owners are going to have to cancel their home renovation plans or go on a diet, due to lost revenues from this? If you're that close to the line that one part of one niche game can measurably hurt you, your store is already doomed. I suggest that "annoy" is a more accurate word than "hurt". Magic cards, snacks, dice, and paint are what keeps most of these store's lights on. Things like core set sales are nice, but ultimately are advertisements for paint and snacks. The fate of an alternate core set for a game as low down the ladder as Legion is not going to hurt them much.

With the MM CW leak, I've decided to purchase my CW sets from them over my LGS -> my LGS loses profit. I don't think they will close over it, but this whole fiasco has lost them money.

1 hour ago, R3dReVenge said:

You're missing the point. It's a fact that they will lose sales over.

You're missing the point: I lose money if I accidentally destroy a $20 bill in the laundry. But that doesn't actually hurt me. It sucks but I'll forget about in 48 hours and it won't impact my monthly or yearly budget. This lost money doesn't necessarily hurt or even annoy FFG or Legion. The system is more than big enough to absorb this in a way that won't be noticed in longshot. You pining away for your starter set, is bothering you more than losing (or more likely, postponing) these sales probably bothers FFG. I would assume that core set or three that you want to get, represents a much, much bigger percentage of your hobby life, than all of Clone Wars (or even all of Legion), is of Asmodee's bottom line. Now if they botch their Carcassonne supply chain at Christmas time, THAT would probably hurt.

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

You're missing the point: I lose money if I accidentally destroy a $20 bill in the laundry. But that doesn't actually hurt me. It sucks but I'll forget about in 48 hours and it won't impact my monthly or yearly budget. This lost money doesn't necessarily hurt or even annoy FFG or Legion. The system is more than big enough to absorb this in a way that won't be noticed in longshot. You pining away for your starter set, is bothering you more than losing (or more likely, postponing) these sales probably bothers FFG. I would assume that core set or three that you want to get, represents a much, much bigger percentage of your hobby life, than all of Clone Wars (or even all of Legion), is of Asmodee's bottom line. Now if they botch their Carcassonne supply chain at Christmas time, THAT would probably hurt.

I’m sure sitting on thousands of units of CW does hurt FFG. There is a big investment in creating all those core sets and the longer it takes to get it to market, means no return on that investment. I’m by no means a financial expert, but I can guarantee this kind of delay (especially of a starter set) will hurt FFG bottom line. Also most investors don’t care about what game is out or which IP is used. They care about a quick and lucrative return on their investment and delays make them squeamish. FFG like any company relies on cash flow from investors. If returns are proven to be slow and don’t measure up to expected returns, again FFG will feel that pinch.

Look at me sounding like I know what I’m talking about. 😂 😜

4 hours ago, R3dReVenge said:

Weather or not it has a huge impact isn't the point. The point is they will lose a significant flow of profits AND it will hurt community LGS because of this mishap. Trust me, the people at the top are not happy with what is going down with this release (or maybe I'm giving them to much credit).

A logical approach would to prevent future mishaps (like this) from happening.

Logical and FFG's release reputation don't really go together.

I'll never forget how they killed the SW: Destiny hype by not providing enough product early on.

29 minutes ago, Uchidan1 said:

I'll never forget how they killed the SW: Destiny hype by not providing enough product early on.

I suspect that is what they are trying to avoid. Rock and a hard place.

On 9/20/2019 at 1:57 PM, Alpha17 said:

At this point, I'm pretty sure even FFG has no clue what's going on. Stuff will come out when it comes out. Assuming that MM is in fact shipping stuff, it looks like we'll have a variety of release dates. Pre-release at GenCon, post-pre-release in late September from MM, and sometime in October for everyone else. May a few more post-post-pre-releases thrown in there as well if places start selling things early as well.

ok, I have to ask, who is MM? And who said they are shipping stuff?

Miniatures Market. Some folks who pre-ordered through them have gotten their core sets.

ah, ok, a US retailer - never heard of them. That makes more sense the UK based MM I was thinking of!