15 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

And what are you using to say September 27th was the expected release date? Given the RRG went into effect on September 12th, it appears the CW starter was intended for a release earlier than the end of the month. Typically I believe the new rules became official very close to the release of the product that uses those rules. September 27th is just the last release day when it wouldn't have been "late" since it would have still been Q3. There could have been multiple small delays pushing it later and later in September until finally October became the new expected date.

This is just the latest in FFG's delays that are poorly communicated. I get delays happen, but their communication needs work.

Besides, I'll believe October 4 is the release date when I have the product in my hands, there could be some other problem between now and then.

I'm guessing the Clone Wars Core sets FFG sold at Gencon had something to do with the RRG update you're citing as evidence that they intended to release it earlier. Every year there are early releases at Gencon, and those products that have an early release at Gencon seem to achieve general distribution sometime near the end of September / early October. There have been some releases in the past few years that were badly delayed, and it felt like communication around those delivery dates was a bit light, I agree with that. However, a Q3 delivery being delayed four days into Q4 is not one of those times.

If a delivery is running behind schedule by a small margin, do you expect them to update us every time their projected delivery is nudged forward or backward by a week? That would be maddening for all of us. I'm guessing FFG has vague delivery dates for exactly this reason: There are a lot of things that can change in the product's journey from fabrication to delivery, and it's better to be vague and allow some space for boat speed, customs, etc. If we claim FFG meant to deliver it early in September, not only are we making a huge assumption with no evidence to back it up, but we are also setting ourselves up for frustration. If you planned to have your Core Set in early September, you probably should have been at Gencon.

While you wait, I'd suggest you pop some popcorn and re-watch some Clone Wars episodes. Build some terrain. Get other things done now so you can binge paint and play all weekend when the package arrives. It'll be here soon.

Yep I've been working on terrain in the meantime

1 hour ago, stackeffect said:

I'm guessing the Clone Wars Core sets FFG sold at Gencon had something to do with the RRG update you're citing as evidence that they intended to release it earlier. Every year there are early releases at Gencon, and those products that have an early release at Gencon seem to achieve general distribution sometime near the end of September / early October. There have been some releases in the past few years that were badly delayed, and it felt like communication around those delivery dates was a bit light, I agree with that. However, a Q3 delivery being delayed four days into Q4 is not one of those times.

If a delivery is running behind schedule by a small margin, do you expect them to update us every time their projected delivery is nudged forward or backward by a week? That would be maddening for all of us. I'm guessing FFG has vague delivery dates for exactly this reason: There are a lot of things that can change in the product's journey from fabrication to delivery, and it's better to be vague and allow some space for boat speed, customs, etc. If we claim FFG meant to deliver it early in September, not only are we making a huge assumption with no evidence to back it up, but we are also setting ourselves up for frustration. If you planned to have your Core Set in early September, you probably should have been at Gencon.

While you wait, I'd suggest you pop some popcorn and re-watch some Clone Wars episodes. Build some terrain. Get other things done now so you can binge paint and play all weekend when the package arrives. It'll be here soon.

I don't build terrain as I use terrain at my FLGS, and don't have access to CW episodes until Disney+ is released. The issue has more to do with FFG making big publicity pushes so far in advance of the actual release, then when delays happen much of the enthusiasm has faded.

GenCon has nothing to do with the RRG. If it did, then it would have made more sense for the RRG to go into effect in August, not on September 12th. The GenCon release was a reason for the new RRG to be visible in August, but not forit to go into effect on a given date. Regardless, the units sold at GenCon are still not eligible for use in official events until some point after the street release (I want to say 10-14 days?).

Most companies are able to solidly announce two weeks in advance of a products release a firm date and do so. FFG doesn't announce anything until the day of release, but if they did this would quell a LOT of the speculation. So no, I'm not expecting them to tell us every little delay, what I would like is a solid date about 2 weeks out, then told if THAT gets pushed back, rather than "well, we hit the quarter so it isn't late." Especially after it has been indicated publically that the release is intended for early in a given month (I've seen more than one comment from people who were at GenCon being told Early to mid September was the intended target). They don't always inform us when product will miss the intended Quarter either, or when product is delayed such that it is no longer going to be delivered in the order it was initially revealed.

I agree on your guess as to why they do Quarter announcements and have covered that elsewhere in this thread. Also, if you had read the entire thread you would know it ISN'T just a 1 week delay (releases are always on Fridays, so delays aren't just four days, the 27th is the last day in September that could be a release day) , as it has been delayed even further now.

31 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

GenCon has nothing to do with the RRG. If it did, then it would have made more sense for the RRG to go into effect in August, not on September 12th. The GenCon release was a reason for the new RRG to be visible in August, but not forit to go into effect on a given date. Regardless, the units sold at GenCon are still not eligible for use in official events until some point after the street release (I want to say 10-14 days?).

Most companies are able to solidly announce two weeks in advance of a products release a firm date and do so. FFG doesn't announce anything until the day of release, but if they did this would quell a LOT of the speculation. So no, I'm not expecting them to tell us every little delay, what I would like is a solid date about 2 weeks out, then told if THAT gets pushed back, rather than "well, we hit the quarter so it isn't late." Especially after it has been indicated publically that the release is intended for early in a given month (I've seen more than one comment from people who were at GenCon being told Early to mid September was the intended target). They don't always inform us when product missing the intended Quarter either, or when product is delayed such that it is no longer going to be delivered in the order it was initially revealed.

If Gencon releases aren't eligible for use in official events until around 10-14 days after Gencon early release, wouldn't that put it right on September 12th?

31 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

I agree on your guess as to why they do Quarter announcements and have covered that elsewhere in this thread. Also, if you had read the entire thread your know it ISN'T just a 1 week delay (releases are always on Fridays, so delays aren't just four days, the 27th is the last day in September that could be a release day) , as it has been delayed even further now.

I don't need the thread to tell me that. I know FFG typically releases on a specific day of the week. Actually, I'm usually able to get new releases at my FLGS on Thursdays, but they're generally consistent with releasing on the same day of the week, regardless. That changes nothing as to how far off they were. It's a matter of perspective, and you are choosing to assume they're seven days off, when the calendar tells you it is four, which - based on the weekly release schedule - could ultimately be the result of missing full distribution by one day. I'm failing to follow your logic on this point.

33 minutes ago, stackeffect said:

If Gencon releases aren't eligible for use in official events until around 10-14 days after Gencon early release, wouldn't that put it right on September 12th?

I don't need the thread to tell me that. I know FFG typically releases on a specific day of the week. Actually, I'm usually able to get new releases at my FLGS on Thursdays, but they're generally consistent with releasing on the same day of the week, regardless. That changes nothing as to how far off they were. In reality, that makes a week off effectively a day off, as if they miss the 27th, the next day on their typical release schedule would be that day the following week. It's a matter of perspective, and you are choosing to assume they're seven days off, when the calendar tells you it is four, which by your logic could ultimately be the result of missing by one day. I'm failing to follow your logic on this point.

GenCon releases aren't eligible for use in official events until 10-14 day after general release, not GenCon. Street release =/= con exclusive release.

You're claiming that FFG is only releasing the product 4 days late since it was initially announced as 4 days into October. However, September 28-30th are not valid release dates, so should not be included in determining how late a product is. Delays are always a minimum of 1 week, which I agree aren't that bad. I'm a bit surprised it took FFG this long to determine they were likely to miss September.

Reading the thread was to inform you that FFG has pushed it back even further. At this point we're back to some unknown future date. Which is unfortunate, but since this delay was actually communicated (without being hounded by fans on social media), albeit not on their webpage, I have less issue with it. My issue isn't that delays happen, it's that they are poorly communicated by any official means.

15 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

GenCon releases aren't eligible for use in official events until 10-14 day after general release, not GenCon. Street release =/= con exclusive release.

Fair enough - I misunderstood your intent with street date.

I always assumed the RRG update had everything to do with releasing the significant updates in it as soon as possible and never connected it with the Clone Wars core set.

15 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

You're claiming that FFG is only releasing the product 4 days late since it was initially announced as 4 days into October. However, September 28-30th are not valid release dates, so should not be included in determining how late a product is. Delays are always a minimum of 1 week, which I agree aren't that bad. I'm a bit surprised it took FFG this long to determine they were likely to miss September.

Reading the thread was to inform you that FFG has pushed it back even further. At this point we're back to some unknown future date. Which is unfortunately, but since this delay was actually communicated (without being hounded by fans on social media), albeit not on their webpage, I have less issue with it. My issue isn't that delays happen, it's that they are poorly communicated by any official means.

I think we're saying mostly the same thing now. Let's see when we get it.

I'm still buried with a fresh load of Shoretroopers and Tauntauns to paint, so I've got more than enough unpainted miniatures to keep me busy.

6 minutes ago, stackeffect said:

Fair enough - I misunderstood your intent with street date.

I always assumed the RRG update had everything to do with releasing the significant updates in it as soon as possible and never connected it with the Clone Wars core set.

For other releases that added new rules (Guardian, Pulling the Strings, Entourage, etc) the RRG update became official very close to the release (For instance, Pulling the Strings was officially added to RRG 11/29/2018, Palp and Guard released 11/23/2018, rules for dual sided card became effective on 2/21/2019, same date as Jyn and Pathfinders were released). Now I will admit they do often include the rules for the next wave as well in order to avoid two RRGs a few months apart, but unless I'm mistaken, the only entirely new rules were for Clone Wars, R2/3P0, and other upcoming product. As far as I'm aware, there aren't any really big tournaments anytime soon, so I don't think "activating" the errata/points change needed to happen on 9/12, they could have been posted but made effective later, or included in a rules update in the Organized Play rules, since the points changes are "only intended for organized play."

So there has been a trend of making RRG updates "Effective" within a few days of releasing units with some of the added rules, or at least the intended release date (I think Sabine and Bossk were delayed by a month which is why there wasn't a May release, but I could be mistaken).