21 hours ago, dsul413 said:Yep. I'm not sure what I was on for that. Must have been thinking -27/-35, which both definitely are single seat for their base models. Gives me a reason to go refresh my Russian fighter jet knowledge.
Get thee to Ace Combat 7, for all your Sukhoi-flying needs!
Seriously, I would do some fairly dark things to get a Project ACES-made Star Wars fighter game made.
7 minutes ago, AceDogbert said:Get thee to Ace Combat 7, for all your Sukhoi-flying needs!
Seriously, I would do some fairly dark things to get a Project ACES-made Star Wars fighter game made.
If only AC7 had mod support past adding skins. Really, replacing skins.
Well that's interesting. So let's really look at her.
That turret isn't going to point forward any time soon, unless it's pointing upwards. But it means that there's no way its main guns and turret can ever shoot at the same target.
We know all, ALL Sequel Trilogy ships, get a tech slot.
Targeting Synchronizer seems interesting. Y-Wings are going to want this. Pattern Analyzer is as always, absolutely fantastic, especially on a ship that's GOING to have reds.
But let's really look at this. Unusually large ordnance bays? Come again? Dual torpedo slots? But let's go crazier. What if it could be dual torpedo, dual missle, or dual bomb, but never mixed? That'd be neat. Though it could just have Torp+bomb, but honestly I don't think it should do that. The other Y-Wings do that.
But here's the wack part. This thing can't fire its turret forward. There's interesting gameplay around that, but ESPECIALLY when you consider that we're told it has strong forward firepower. A 3 forward Y-Wing? That would be an inredibly welcome change of pace. It'd be okay to do BECAUSE its turret can't fire forward.
But, it seems this Y-Wing MIGHT be more sluggish than even the Rebel model, which, considering it often died because it was slow, and considering that the Resistance variants have ONLY been faster, sleeker, so far, AND that this frame has been considerably streamlined... would be uh, odd, but there's ways to work around it. I'd take a worse dial + more agility, wouldn't you? I mean, pretty unlikely. But it'd be cool.
This thing... MIGHT have space for a crew OR gunner slot, but not one of both. Frankly, I think it would be very very cool for that to be the case. I mean look at it, the gunner's section is heavily armored and expanded from its Rebel counterpart. You could carry a copilot or tactical officer in that thing.
If it ends up being any of these things it might end up one of The Resistance's most flexible tactical ships. Not the most flexible attack platform, that's still always going to be the T-70.
But still. This is fascinating. There are a myriad of things to consider with the BTA-NR2. One thing is for certain, though.
It will want escorts.
7 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:
Well that's interesting. So let's really look at her.
That turret isn't going to point forward any time soon, unless it's pointing upwards. But it means that there's no way its main guns and turret can ever shoot at the same target.
We know all, ALL Sequel Trilogy ships, get a tech slot.
Targeting Synchronizer seems interesting. Y-Wings are going to want this. Pattern Analyzer is as always, absolutely fantastic, especially on a ship that's GOING to have reds.
But let's really look at this. Unusually large ordnance bays? Come again? Dual torpedo slots? But let's go crazier. What if it could be dual torpedo, dual missle, or dual bomb, but never mixed? That'd be neat. Though it could just have Torp+bomb, but honestly I don't think it should do that. The other Y-Wings do that.
But here's the wack part. This thing can't fire its turret forward. There's interesting gameplay around that, but ESPECIALLY when you consider that we're told it has strong forward firepower. A 3 forward Y-Wing? That would be an inredibly welcome change of pace. It'd be okay to do BECAUSE its turret can't fire forward.
But, it seems this Y-Wing MIGHT be more sluggish than even the Rebel model, which, considering it often died because it was slow, and considering that the Resistance variants have ONLY been faster, sleeker, so far, AND that this frame has been considerably streamlined... would be uh, odd, but there's ways to work around it. I'd take a worse dial + more agility, wouldn't you? I mean, pretty unlikely. But it'd be cool.
This thing... MIGHT have space for a crew OR gunner slot, but not one of both. Frankly, I think it would be very very cool for that to be the case. I mean look at it, the gunner's section is heavily armored and expanded from its Rebel counterpart. You could carry a copilot or tactical officer in that thing.
If it ends up being any of these things it might end up one of The Resistance's most flexible tactical ships. Not the most flexible attack platform, that's still always going to be the T-70.
But still. This is fascinating. There are a myriad of things to consider with the BTA-NR2. One thing is for certain, though.
It will want escorts.
I think you are making a big assumption that the turret can't face forward.
On 9/21/2019 at 12:10 PM, LUZ_TAK said:Sigh... with all the material they could bring into the movies... they still push the same 4 ship... what a wasted oportunity for something new.
3. 3 Ships. The B-Wing doesn’t even count as a 4th, because many of the writers and directors don’t even know it exists.
1 minute ago, Octarine-08 said:I think you are making a big assumption that the turret can't face forward.
Dude look at the swivel.
1 minute ago, It’s One Of Ours said:3. 3 Ships. The B-Wing doesn’t even count as a 4th, because many of the writers and directors don’t even know it exists.
Half true. It's there.
Take the "powerful forward firing laser cannons" with a little salt. Iirc the same was said about the loadout on the Z-95-A4F when they upgraded from the old model's triple blaster canons to laser cannons (same type as are on the T-65, just half as many).
10 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:11 minutes ago, It’s One Of Ours said:3. 3 Ships. The B-Wing doesn’t even count as a 4th, because many of the writers and directors don’t even know it exists.
Half true. It's there.
From what I am hearing a lot of the toys are being held back because of spoilers. At best that B-wing will be part of next large wave that will most likely also show off the Resistance fleet???
1 minute ago, RyantheFett said:From what I am hearing a lot of the toys are being held back because of spoilers. At best that B-wing will be part of next large wave that will most likely also show off the Resistance fleet???
Very possibly. They're REALLY holding back on the B-Wing. I really hope they correct the mistake of RoTJ and let them have their time.
****. Let bombers just go haywire.
33 minutes ago, RyantheFett said:From what I am hearing a lot of the toys are being held back because of spoilers. At best that B-wing will be part of next large wave that will most likely also show off the Resistance fleet???
I will be extremely surprised if the B-Wing gets anything beyond 12 second s of screen-time, and toy releases within the first 3 years of the movie release.
The petty pessimism is strong in me.
Just now, It’s One Of Ours said:I will be extremely surprised if the B-Wing gets anything beyond 12 second s of screen-time, and toy releases within the first 3 years of the movie release.
The petty pessimism is strong in me.
As is the unneccessarily large text for your entire post. B-Wing toys will be made and will sell.
I mean for god's sake, they made Starfortress toys that you can still find and they made Arrestor Cruiser toys.
53 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:Take the "powerful forward firing laser cannons" with a little salt. Iirc the same was said about the loadout on the Z-95-A4F when they upgraded from the old model's triple blaster canons to laser cannons (same type as are on the T-65, just half as many).
Ion < Blaster < Laser < Turbolaser < Torpedo < Superlaser < force
Right?
It's been a while.
1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:Dude look at the swivel.
I don't see anything that prevents forward rotation.
All we've got are relatively unclear stills.
The only shots we've seen from multiple angles are the Lego version which does have full 360 rotation.
14 minutes ago, It’s One Of Ours said:I will be extremely surprised if the B-Wing gets anything beyond 12 second s of screen-time, and toy releases within the first 3 years of the movie release.
The petty pessimism is strong in me.
Hard to say for how much screen time they will get. RotJ they had filming issues with the ship so that is why they just vanish after a while. I sort of hope they get their time to shine like Y-wings in Rouge One or T-47s in TFA.
As for the three year wait for the toys I find it hard to believe that they would just miss selling the B-wing......... Of course I am not sure how much merchandise they have for the Resistance cruisers from the TLJ so maybe they will throw away a good ship.
Either way I am happy that we will have a new Y-wing, B-wing, and certain spoilery pilots as well for the Resistance in X-wing.
1 minute ago, Octarine-08 said:I don't see anything that prevents forward rotation.
All we've got are relatively unclear stills.
The only shots we've seen from multiple angles are the Lego version which does have full 360 rotation.
I really hate having to prove people wrong. Are we rally citing lego? So Zori Bliss is a confirmed Y-Wing pilot now?
Let's go over this.
https://target.scene7.com/is/content/Target/GUEST_db00bf15-a68d-4819-a6ef-e251648a8cb8_Flash9_Autox720p_2600k
Okay. So the lego one has full rotation. That's cool. But.
Really, REALLY look at the orientation of the turret compared to the canopy. It is very slightly under it. Now, one way to resolve this problem, is to have it elevate as it turns... But why would you do that? Why waste that space on such a mechanism? Furthermore, please observe that the ONLY source we have for Ion Cannons firing forward, is the Lego Y-Wing. Thus far, every single other image has had it pointing backwards. You know what doesn't do that? The Rebel Y-Wing.
Now here's my theory. The turret was redesigned this way to re-facilitate a gunner, to protect them (unlike the bubble canopied BTL-B Y-Wing), AND to protect the turret. Now if it can fire forward, just stomp on my bits for a day, you're allowed.
But I'm willing to bet this thing can't fire its turret forward. Since every other Y-Wing can do that, why do it again?
...It probably will in Battlefront II 2 though. Unless they TIE/SF it.
12 minutes ago, Bucknife said:Ion < Blaster < Laser < Turbolaser < Torpedo < Superlaser < force
Right?
It's been a while.
Kinda.
Ion weapons overlap with the other types, not necessarily via direct damage but net effect.
Tiering as I recall: Light Blaster, Medium Blaster, Heavy Blaster/Light Laser, Medium Laser, Heavy Laser/Light Turbolaser, Medium Turbolaser, Heavy Turbolaser.
Torpedoes, Superlasers and "force" are in a variable, overlapping, sliding scale depending on the size of the weapon/skill of the user and the effect wanted...
The Resistance Y-Wing is interesting to me, because it would be like some modern company saying “What if we took the Il-2 Shturmovik, gave it a jet engine, carbon fiber and composite armor, new weapon sytems, and... “
2 minutes ago, It’s One Of Ours said:The Resistance Y-Wing is interesting to me, because it would be like some modern company saying “What if we took the Il-2 Shturmovik, gave it a jet engine, carbon fiber and composite armor, new weapon sytems, and... “
Hahahahaha, basically..!
I have high hopes for her. There's no doubt in my mind it'll end up the best Y-Wing.
1 minute ago, Captain Lackwit said:Hahahahaha, basically..!
I have high hopes for her. There's no doubt in my mind it'll end up the best Y-Wing.
Oh, indeed! I realy dig it, no matter how much of a WTF ship it is! They even kicked off production without the armor paneling getting in the way!
1 minute ago, It’s One Of Ours said:Oh, indeed! I realy dig it, no matter how much of a WTF ship it is! They even kicked off production without the armor paneling getting in the way!
That's because all they had to do was tack stuff on and rejigger some stuff..!
I'm probably stapling Agile Gunner to this thing so I don't have to worry about wasting an action on turret chasing, and I get the feeling we're going to want to run some brutal munitions on these things, too.
4 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:That's because all they had to do was tack stuff on and rejigger some stuff..!
I'm probably stapling Agile Gunner to this thing so I don't have to worry about wasting an action on turret chasing, and I get the feeling we're going to want to run some brutal munitions on these things, too.
PATTERN ANALYZER Y-WING, with Proton Torps!
K-Turn into Target Lock and GIT SUM!
Edited by It’s One Of Ours7 minutes ago, It’s One Of Ours said:PATTERN ANALYZER Y-WING, with Proton Torps!
K-Turn into Target Lock and GIT SUM!
GIT.
SUM.
8 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:
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But, it seems this Y-Wing MIGHT be more sluggish than even the Rebel model, which, considering it often died because it was slow, and considering that the Resistance variants have ONLY been faster, sleeker, so far, AND that this frame has been considerably streamlined... would be uh, odd, but there's ways to work around it. I'd take a worse dial + more agility, wouldn't you? I mean, pretty unlikely. But it'd be cool.
I would expect it to have a similar dial to the BTL-A4, as the statement says, "as with all Y-wing variants, that hitting power comes at the price of reduced speed and agility."
So, it's basically the same reduced speed and agility as the older Y-Wings.
In general, I wouldn't read much into those descriptions, in any case. They never seem to line up with the games. It's fluff for people who have no reason to try to compare exact levels of power/speed/whatever.
1 hour ago, Freeptop said:I would expect it to have a similar dial to the BTL-A4, as the statement says, "as with all Y-wing variants, that hitting power comes at the price of reduced speed and agility."
So, it's basically the same reduced speed and agility as the older Y-Wings.
In general, I wouldn't read much into those descriptions, in any case. They never seem to line up with the games. It's fluff for people who have no reason to try to compare exact levels of power/speed/whatever.
Fair! Still worth consideration though.
Hope it has a better dial and everything else I want. I mean, looking at the T-70 VS. the T-65, RZ-1 VS. RZ-2... Yeah, lol. Definitely going to be basically universally better.
(Poe was always better than Wedge, even in 1.0.)
This thing is gonna' chew a**.
I hope you guys are ready for the sickest bomber in the game.