Findings from our local continuity project

By Ram, in Imperial Assault Skirmish

No, don't worry. I will not create yet another community project. I will just real briefly share our findings from our local project (~20 players) as feedback/inspiration for the ongoing projects.

Our approach has been recost, ban and skirmish missions only and the latest one has only been discussed, no missions are yet completed.

On the ban-side we decided on five cards to be banned. Driven by hatred, Rouge smuggler, Wookie avenger, Focused on the kill and On the lam. There is a plentora of reasoning behind the bans such as our dislikes for end of turn actions, making activations overpowered and in the case of On the lam the card is simply too good and no fun. Of note, we do not consider Wookie avenger overpowered or even problematic really, it just felt easiest to remove all the fix cards.

On the cost side is where we made the most interesting observations. We made a big push to make all activations on par with the Spectre cell, pretty much cutting costs radically across the line. It was a success in general. The game immediatly felt fresh again and there were a lot of units became playable and a plentora of factions were revived like troopers, droids, return of the Bantha to battle the meta etc. However, the consequence of that was, not unexpected, that there was an increase in activations and as such the games rarely made it into turn 5 and less often into turn 4 and the games rarely made it to 40 points.

So our new experiment that will run for the next month will be to select new figures to be the norm. We debated on what units to use as a baseline and decided to not use the elite Stormtroopers as the base but rather the interesting tier 2 figures like Bossk, elite Echo base troopers, The grand inqisitor and similar. The big hitters will be increased a bit in cost, the weaker ones will be decreased in cost and we will see how the meta ends up. As said, this is an experiment, a test run. It will solve our overactivation issue. We have three tournaments in the next five weeks planned using this approach.

Our next step after this will be to begin making new missions for the printed maps or look through the missions that we have on the non-tournament maps. We are toying with the idea of making metas by having a map set that encourages certain play styles. But that will be the experiment for christmas time.

1 hour ago, Ram said:

We debated on what units to use as a baseline and decided to not use the elite Stormtroopers as the base but rather the interesting tier 2 figures like Bossk, elite Echo base troopers, The grand inqisitor and similar

it's completely fine if your group doesn't use eStorm as a baseline, just a friendly reminder that I'd be very cautious when comparing single-figure activation groups vs. multi-figure activation groups

this article has already done an amazing job at analyzing the differences (since you mentioned Bossk)

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/206889-the-costs-of-unique-figures/

TL;DR: given a figure with the exact same stats (HP, speed, defense, attack), having 8/4 (2-figure group) is significantly better than having a 4-point single-figure group even if the stats are the same

32 minutes ago, ricope said:

it's completely fine if your group doesn't use eStorm as a baseline, just a friendly reminder that I'd be very cautious when comparing single-figure activation groups vs. multi-figure activation groups

this article has already done an amazing job at analyzing the differences (since you mentioned Bossk)

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/206889-the-costs-of-unique-figures/

TL;DR: given a figure with the exact same stats (HP, speed, defense, attack), having 8/4 (2-figure group) is significantly better than having a 4-point single-figure group even if the stats are the same

Great input, thanks! That is a very nice article.

We will set the point values of the multi-activations to a "fair" level and then we will tweak them if we find that they become too dominant.

Kinda sucks to be a star wars fan and not be able to use a viable form of Vader, Han Solo, Chewbacca or IG-88. I mean Wookiee Avenger isn't even that good. But if that's what it takes to keep your local group playing then good on you.

6 hours ago, Tvboy said:

Kinda sucks to be a star wars fan and not be able to use a viable form of Vader, Han Solo, Chewbacca or IG-88. I mean Wookiee Avenger isn't even that good. But if that's what it takes to keep your local group playing then good on you.

Oh, they are very viable. Our versions are fairly agressivly costed and see quite a bit of play. IG is the border case that we are not happy with as he is a filler tank basically, but the other three are beasts in the cost modified standard form as well.

In our version, you can run Han, Chewie, Luke and Leia together. Most of the originals are not bad. They are just costed wrong.

Edit: Current costs (when matched towards Spectre cell levels), Han is at 9, Chewie at 11, Vader is 13 and IG is at 8. And Leia is at 6. Farmboy Luke is at 9 and Jedi Luke at 11. So only Farmboy Luke can fit in Episode 4 Death star crew with R2 and C3PO. :) These figures are also high among those that have been tweaked up and down one multiple times during development.

Edited by Ram

This sounds good, I would love to get a copy of all this, just so I could see what the point cost is.

On ‎9‎/‎22‎/‎2019 at 9:31 PM, ArcticJedi said:

This sounds good, I would love to get a copy of all this, just so I could see what the point cost is.

Here are our latest costs. Sorry for the formating, the page that we use does not translate well... This is when all are power matched towards spectre cell. We are working on power matching them against Bossk now. Read as <old cost> <name> <recost if any>. Also, we only recosted the elite versions and if a deployment is presented twice, it is elite and regular (regulars almost always not recosted).

Another small note is that costs have been going up and down, minor adjustments, a bit. Right now, the troopers are in general a bit lower in cost.

Rebels:

15 Chewbacca 11

12 Han Solo 9

12 Alliance Ranger

12 Luke Skywalker (Jedi) 11

11 Wookie Warrior 9

10 Luke Skywalker (HotR) 9

9 Rebel Trooper 6

9 Alliance Ranger

9 Fenn Signis 7

9 Biv Bodhrik 6

9 Drokkatta

8 Gaarkhan 6

8 Echo Base Trooper 6

8 Leia Organa 6

8 Verena Talos 6

8 Wookie Warrior

8 Ahsoka Tano 7

8 Zeb Orrelios

8 Kanan Jarrus

7 Rebel Saboteur 6

7 Diala Passil 5

7 Obi-Wan Kenobi 6

7 Ko-Tun Feralo 6

7 CT-1701 6

7 Ezra Bridger

7 Sabine Wren

6 Echo Base Trooper

6 Lando Calrissian 4

6 Rebel Trooper

6 Davith Elso 5

6 Saska Teft 3

5 Jyn Odan 4

5 Rebel Saboteur

5 MHD-19

5 Jarrod Kelvin 4

5 Tress Hacnua 4

4 Alliance Smuggler 2

4 Loku Kanoloa 3

4 Murne Rin 3

4 Hera Syndulla

3 Gideon Argus

3 Mak Eshkarey 2

3 R2-D2

3 C1-10P

2 Alliance Smuggler

2 C-3P0

Imperials

18 Darth Vader 13

16 General Weiss 12

15 Royal Guard Champion 10

14 AT-ST 10

12 Royal Guard 9

10 Kayn Somos 6

10SC2-M Repulsor Tank 6

10 Snowtrooper 7

10 Sentry Droid 8

9 Stormtrooper 7

9 The Grand Inquisitor 7

9 AT-DP 8

8 E-Web Engineer 5

8 Royal Guard

8 General Sorin 6

8 Heavy Stormtrooper 6

8 Emperor Palpatine

7 Captain Terro

7 ISB Infiltrator 6

7 Jet Trooper 6

7 Snowtrooper

7 Riot Trooper

6 Agent Blaise 5

6 E-Web Engineer

6 Stormtrooper

6 Heavy Stormtrooper

6 BT-1 5

6 Sentry Droid

6 Thrawn

5 Dewback Rider

5 Imperial Officer 4

5 ISB Infiltrator

5 Probe Droid 4

5 Riot Trooper

4 Jet Trooper

4 0-0-0

4 Death Trooper

3 Probe Droid

3 Death Trooper

2 Imperial Officer

Scum

13 Boba Fett 9

12 IG-88 8

11 HK Assassin Droid 9

10 Trandoshan Hunter 8

10 Rancor 9

9 Bantha Rider 8

9 Wing Guard 7

8 Bossk 6

8 Gamorrean Guard 6

8 Shyla Varad 7

8 HK Assassin Droid

8 Wampa 5

7 Trandoshan Hunter

7 Dengar 4

7 Weequay Pirate

7 Tusken Raider 6

7 Maul 6

6 Nexu 5

6 Hired Gun 5

6 Gamorrean Guard

6 Onar Koma

6 Wing Guard

6 Jabba the Hutt 5

6 Clawdite Shapeshifter 5

6 Loth-cat

6 Hondo Ohnaka

5 Vinto Hreeda 4

5 Weequay Pirate

5 Wampa

5 Ugnaught Tinkerer

5 Tusken Raider

4 Nexu

4 Greedo

4 Hired Gun

4 Clawdite Shapeshifter

4 Loth-cat

3 Ugnaught Tinkerer

3 Jawa Scavenger

2 Jawa Scavenger

Edited by Ram

Thanks! This looks interesting.