So this I keep asking myself, is 3 core sets too much?

I was under the impression that 3 cores would give you 6 corps units, 3 support units, and 3 copies of the commander for each faction. If you're collecting both factions getting 3 cores would be a better deal than buying 2 and filling in the extra 2 corps units and additional support units by individual expansion, right?

27 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

So this I keep asking myself, is 3 core sets too much?

I was under the impression that 3 cores would give you 6 corps units, 3 support units, and 3 copies of the commander for each faction. If you're collecting both factions getting 3 cores would be a better deal than buying 2 and filling in the extra 2 corps units and additional support units by individual expansion, right?

Well yes, but the chances that you will be running the full 6 corps units with only B1's or phase 1's once some other options come out seems a little slim. I think most people are looking to future expansions to fill out their lists.

Just now, Draycos said:

Well yes, but the chances that you will be running the full 6 corps units with only B1's or phase 1's once some other options come out seems a little slim. I think most people are looking to future expansions to fill out their lists.

Gotcha so it's a matter of preference not so much a lack of cost efficiency.

I gotta say, I'm mad hyped to run a phantom menace style droid army lol

21 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Gotcha so it's a matter of preference not so much a lack of cost efficiency.

I gotta say, I'm mad hyped to run a phantom menace style droid army lol

and with the announcement of gungans our dreams should come true

27 minutes ago, TheHoosh said:

and with the announcement of gungans our dreams should come true

21 hours ago, Darth 2Face said:

I was initially going to go with two core sets, but have since decided not to. It is the most economical way to get into the game and still think it is best for new players, but it doesn't fit my needs. I went with two of the original core sets, so I have plenty of dice/tools already. However, I have found that as new sets were released, I use the units from the second core less and less. I won't be able to run an 800 point Clone/Separatist army quite as soon, but I would rather use that extra $100 on future units.

The core set may be the most economical, but it doesn't help if I end up not using those extra units.

Well, considering you're not looking at any more units til Jan/Feb at the earliest, I don't really get this decision. You will have to get more units to have a legal army even if you could somehow make points with one core. More units aren't going to be out this year, so it's not a matter of "quite as soon," its "within months of release." It only makes sense if you really don't care about playing either faction at all right now, in which case, why not just wait down the line to pick up the core set?

As for not using the units in the core set, I don't really get that either. In the original core, Vader and bikes have seen the least play recently, followed by the AT-RT. Stormtroopers, Rebel Troopers, and Luke are all still solid units, and there is a case to be made for the AT-RT as well. The recent points changes only serve to make the under used units better. In the CW core, the only unit I'm not really sold on is the BARC, and that's a play style thing. Obi is solid, and the Phase I clones are as well. Grievous is pretty good, Droidekas are fun, and even the B1s are terrible in a "they're cheap and garbage and I love them" kinda way. Even when we get the announced stuff next year, I doubt it will completely replace the core set units for a long, long time.

19 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

So this I keep asking myself, is 3 core sets too much?

I was under the impression that 3 cores would give you 6 corps units, 3 support units, and 3 copies of the commander for each faction. If you're collecting both factions getting 3 cores would be a better deal than buying 2 and filling in the extra 2 corps units and additional support units by individual expansion, right?

That's what I ended up getting, along with some trooper expansions. Probably will be overkill, but it might be fun to try out the CW factions in Grand Army games.

10 hours ago, Alpha17 said:

Well, considering you're not looking at any more units til Jan/Feb at the earliest, I don't really get this decision. You will have to get more units to have a legal army even if you could somehow make points with one core. More units aren't going to be out this year, so it's not a matter of "quite as soon," its "within months of release." It only makes sense if you really don't care about playing either faction at all right now, in which case, why not just wait down the line to pick up the core set?

As for not using the units in the core set, I don't really get that either. In the original core, Vader and bikes have seen the least play recently, followed by the AT-RT. Stormtroopers, Rebel Troopers, and Luke are all still solid units, and there is a case to be made for the AT-RT as well. The recent points changes only serve to make the under used units better. In the CW core, the only unit I'm not really sold on is the BARC, and that's a play style thing. Obi is solid, and the Phase I clones are as well. Grievous is pretty good, Droidekas are fun, and even the B1s are terrible in a "they're cheap and garbage and I love them" kinda way. Even when we get the announced stuff next year, I doubt it will completely replace the core set units for a long, long time.

If I played more tournaments, I would be in a bigger rush to get to 800 points for Clones/CIS. However, I mostly play casually at home. I will have plenty of opportunities to play 400-500 point Clone/CIS armies. If I really need to play 800, I can still play Rebels or Imps until more CW units are released.

When I say I don't play the original core, I mean I don't play the second core. I've never played a second Vader or Luke. I rarely run 2 AT-RT's or 2 Speeders. I've commonly run all 4 trooper units, but with Fleets/Veterans and Snow/Shore, I'm typically now running 2-3 of the original core troopers. When I look at what I play now, for units I would have saved money picking up an extra Rebel trooper and Stormtrooper unit.

I don't regret getting the second core at all, but I don't need the same things now as I did as when I started the game. I'll likely pick up an extra unit of B1's and possibly Phase 1 clones (I prefer the look of Phase 2, so probably not), but that is really all the extra I see myself wanting. That saves me about $50.

I'm not trying to convince anyone they shouldn't get a second core. However, it is worth acknowledging that it may not be the best option for everyone. As a casual player from day 1, I personally just don't get the same value from a second CW core as other players.

33 minutes ago, Darth 2Face said:

If I played more tournaments, I would be in a bigger rush to get to 800 points for Clones/CIS. However, I mostly play casually at home. I will have plenty of opportunities to play 400-500 point Clone/CIS armies. If I really need to play 800, I can still play Rebels or Imps until more CW units are released.

When I say I don't play the original core, I mean I don't play the second core. I've never played a second Vader or Luke. I rarely run 2 AT-RT's or 2 Speeders. I've commonly run all 4 trooper units, but with Fleets/Veterans and Snow/Shore, I'm typically now running 2-3 of the original core troopers. When I look at what I play now, for units I would have saved money picking up an extra Rebel trooper and Stormtrooper unit.

I don't regret getting the second core at all, but I don't need the same things now as I did as when I started the game. I'll likely pick up an extra unit of B1's and possibly Phase 1 clones (I prefer the look of Phase 2, so probably not), but that is really all the extra I see myself wanting. That saves me about $50.

I'm not trying to convince anyone they shouldn't get a second core. However, it is worth acknowledging that it may not be the best option for everyone. As a casual player from day 1, I personally just don't get the same value from a second CW core as other players.

I think the second CW core may have additional value since you can build your Droidika unit in ball form (if you only plan on running a single unit). Grevious also has 3 poses. So building him in a different pose may be sweet.

I'm not sure the extra BARC speeder will get much play + extra Obi wan is pretty useless.

I think Phase 1s will see much more play than phase 2s. So having the extra 2 squads will come in handy.

The droideka come with the ball mode on the frame, you can build 4 from 1 core: two ball mode and 2 ready.

I'm actually splitting a core and a half with a friemd, that give you 6 droids, 3 droideka, and 3 grievous

On 9/9/2019 at 12:45 PM, Darth Sanguis said:

So this I keep asking myself, is 3 core sets too much?

I was under the impression that 3 cores would give you 6 corps units, 3 support units, and 3 copies of the commander for each faction. If you're collecting both factions getting 3 cores would be a better deal than buying 2 and filling in the extra 2 corps units and additional support units by individual expansion, right?

That is correct, three core set would give you 6 corps, 3 supports, and three of each commander for both factions. Overall core sets are a pretty good deal in most situations, especially if you plan on maxing units. Math is usually a free unit a faction give or take.

Infantry are pretty important and having 6 (especially for CIS) will come in handy after more units come out. The droidekars sort of screw up the army composition since they cost so much, but later down the road I would not be surprised at 6 B1 in most CIS list. Republic may be a bit riskier since the cost for the infantry is pretty high and the BARC has a different model.

Overall the best/cheapest option is to find somebody to split cores with you. I split the price with a friend of mine so the math really works in my favor. Pretty much at the price I'm paying I'm getting a droidekar for free in each core set (as well as more dice, range rulers, and different grievous model).

13 hours ago, Darth 2Face said:

If I played more tournaments, I would be in a bigger rush to get to 800 points for Clones/CIS. However, I mostly play casually at home. I will have plenty of opportunities to play 400-500 point Clone/CIS armies. If I really need to play 800, I can still play Rebels or Imps until more CW units are released.

When I say I don't play the original core, I mean I don't play the second core. I've never played a second Vader or Luke. I rarely run 2 AT-RT's or 2 Speeders. I've commonly run all 4 trooper units, but with Fleets/Veterans and Snow/Shore, I'm typically now running 2-3 of the original core troopers. When I look at what I play now, for units I would have saved money picking up an extra Rebel trooper and Stormtrooper unit.

I don't regret getting the second core at all, but I don't need the same things now as I did as when I started the game. I'll likely pick up an extra unit of B1's and possibly Phase 1 clones (I prefer the look of Phase 2, so probably not), but that is really all the extra I see myself wanting. That saves me about $50.

I'm not trying to convince anyone they shouldn't get a second core. However, it is worth acknowledging that it may not be the best option for everyone. As a casual player from day 1, I personally just don't get the same value from a second CW core as other players.

If you're looking to do 500 points, you'll still need more than the core set, at least for the CIS. Even loading them up with everything, I usually top out at about 440ish. Besides the benefits a second core would give you in regards to points, R3dReVenge is right about being able to model Grievous differently. (though you dont' need to model the Droidekas differently to get rolly-polly mode, as you get a set of them too)

All that said, it is of course your call. As someone who's jumping in to play the Republic immediately, two core sets are pretty much the only way to go. If you really don't care to play them in full-sized games, then perhaps your answer is different.

On 9/9/2019 at 1:45 PM, Darth Sanguis said:

So this I keep asking myself, is 3 core sets too much?

I was under the impression that 3 cores would give you 6 corps units, 3 support units, and 3 copies of the commander for each faction. If you're collecting both factions getting 3 cores would be a better deal than buying 2 and filling in the extra 2 corps units and additional support units by individual expansion, right?

Assuming you go with 6 B1 units with both the extra B1 and the heavy, plus the General, you can only afford two Droideka units. Or to put it another way, if you run three Droideka units and the General, it will come at the expense of having fewer and/or weaker B1 units.

If I were going for CIS (I’m splitting starters, taking Republic) I would go for two boxes and just pick up two extra B1 squads.

Just now, GooeyChewie said:

Assuming you go with 6 B1 units with both the extra B1 and the heavy, plus the General, you can only afford two Droideka units. Or to put it another way, if you run three Droideka units and the General, it will come at the expense of having fewer and/or weaker B1 units.

If I were going for CIS (I’m splitting starters, taking Republic) I would go for two boxes and just pick up two extra B1 squads.

I'm doing both factions.

I'm also planning ahead a little. I'm sure there will be cheaper commanders support and specialist units for both factions, so having a full compliment of what I'm assuming, based on the GCW releases, will be the cheapest corps units for less isn't necessarily a bad thing.

The way I see it the 2 extra corps units per faction I get in the core box are about $20 a piece, after discounts... That's $80, I may as well just get the 3rd core.