It’s sad that they’re letting their own mistake (the subpar app) stand in the way of letting a really cool feature come to their other Star Wars games. I just plan on getting into Armada, and maybe Legion too. I’d like to see adjustable points in those games.

4 minutes ago, astronautcowboy said:

I just plan on getting into Armada, and maybe Legion too. I’d like to see adjustable points in those games.

they in fact adjusted the legion points yesterday

13 minutes ago, astronautcowboy said:

It’s sad that they’re letting their own mistake (the subpar app) stand in the way of letting a really cool feature come to their other Star Wars games. I just plan on getting into Armada, and maybe Legion too. I’d like to see adjustable points in those games.

They did that already. They just don’t want to do it just to mess with the Mets, only to solve real balance issues or mistakes

2 hours ago, Punning Pundit said:

If I am printing cards from the official site, why am I also buying card packs?

Cardboard tokens and... well... eh. Fair enough.

Maybe only errata'd cards get put on the site.

3 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

I dunno, how is tracking that you have the right version printed from a PDF that you downloaded any different than tracking cards with points on them?

At least for Guild Ball, there will be a "season number" at the bottom of each card. If I were doing a similar thing with X-Wing cards in a PDF, I'd put a date or version number on the bottom of them, so someone could quickly see if they were recent in a quick glance. Not perfect, but probably not worse than status quo.

3 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Building a squad from last year's PDF is just the same disaster.

Imagine how much worse it would be, however, if both the release points and July points were legal at the same time.

1 hour ago, svelok said:

they in fact adjusted the legion points yesterday

They adjusted the points for the tournaments. In Alex Davy's text, he says that people can continue to play with the points on the cards.

IMO that is soo confusing. For the custom squad builders and for the players Do you want to pratice competitive, you will take a point list, if you want to play casual, you pick the other one.....

I think the PDFs for the points/upgrades of X-Wing is a fine way. And I totally disagree to have 2 points lists in parallel. Quick builds are not, that's different.

Maybe another regret is not having the choice of the battlefield like legion, but on X-Wing ? Will they implement that in the official tourneys ? I hope so ! First player's battlefield choice !

If FFG feels that badly about the X-Wing app, I wish they would open it up to the community to help. I bet there are some extremely passionate developers out there who would have it fixed up in a weekend .

They should just buy Launch Bay Next

I think points in app was genius solution for growing issue in X-Wing that we all saw in 1.0..

I would hope that there could be similar solution for those explanations on the cards too, because I hate to scroll through faq to know if my cards are still correct in their description. Also how they are written causes problems to non native English speakers because you should be lawyer minded when reading them that fights my perception how game rules should be interpreted. Im all in lite, easy read rules and no fight over tiniest things on wording. Thats why I fly mostly casual so we can brush some stuff under the mat.

For me app was huge upgrade in UX what should matter most for FFG.

I bet all game designers do have regrets, who would not?

11 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

Imagine how much worse it would be, however, if both the release points and July points were legal at the same time.

First of all, Legion does not have 2 sets of legal points. The errata has the legal points (for tournaments), and the cards may have legal points or points that are "close enough."

Which, IHMO, is totally fine.

I happily played 1.0 XWM for a year after y'all had burnt your stuff because I don't try to break the game. This is exactly what is going to happen for Legion players using "illegal" points as originally printed on the cards.

All this fine tuning is only necessary because tournament players look for the game's weak points to exploit them.

8 hours ago, pakirby said:

They should just buy Launch Bay Next

Except that screws everyone who doesn't want to use a phone.

And vice versa for YASB 2.0.

Which is one large hurdle that FFG has that private parties don't. A 3rd Party designer can say, "sorry, I just don't have the time to support that" but FFG can't.

10 hours ago, CoffeeMinion said:

If FFG feels that badly about the X-Wing app, I wish they would open it up to the community to help. I bet there are some extremely passionate developers out there who would have it fixed up in a weekend .

Well, they turned the community into alpha debuggers, so they kinda did.

Too bad, in hindsight, they didn't just buy out YASB 1.0 or The Unofficial Squad Builder. Both of those designers bailed on their projects with the advent of 2.0 anyways, so I would think they would have been fine getting a little cash to pass the torch.

16 hours ago, svelok said:

they in fact adjusted the legion points yesterday

16 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

They did that already. They just don’t want to do it just to mess with the Mets, only to solve real balance issues or mistakes

Thanks for your responses. I knew that they’d just adjusted the points; I mostly meant it’s a shame that they’re resistant to the X-Wing 2.0 model of having the points be inherently adjustable. I don’t think what they did in Legion qualifies, which is more of an errata.

I like that X-Wing cards and ships have the potential to always be relevant, whereas in Armada when the entire meta seems to swing in favor of new releases (which is what I’ve gleaned from the Armada podcast I listen to).

5 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

First of all, Legion does not have 2 sets of legal points. The errata has the legal points (for tournaments), and the cards may have legal points or points that are "close enough."

Which, IHMO, is totally fine.

I happily played 1.0 XWM for a year after y'all had burnt your stuff because I don't try to break the game. This is exactly what is going to happen for Legion players using "illegal" points as originally printed on the cards.

All this fine tuning is only necessary because tournament players look for the game's weak points to exploit them.

Well, it matters a tonne to anyone who wants to play the T-47 at all, not just folks trying to break the game.

Original price was 175 out of 800. Kind of the equivalent of a 44 point ship in 2e X-Wing. With the update, it's the equivalent of a 35 point ship. Hrm. Kimogila is 44 points, and that's what a Special Forces Gunner version of the TIE/sf was before the recent adjustment. That's a major difference to anyone who just wants to fly a ship they like in any sort of basic squad, whether or not it's purely tournament optimized.

30 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Well, it matters a tonne to anyone who wants to play the T-47 at all, not just folks trying to break the game.

But who would own 2 T-47's...

1 hour ago, theBitterFig said:

Well, it matters a tonne to anyone who wants to play the T-47 at all, not just folks trying to break the game.

Original price was 175 out of 800. Kind of the equivalent of a 44 point ship in 2e X-Wing. With the update, it's the equivalent of a 35 point ship. Hrm. Kimogila is 44 points, and that's what a Special Forces Gunner version of the TIE/sf was before the recent adjustment. That's a major difference to anyone who just wants to fly a ship they like in any sort of basic squad, whether or not it's purely tournament optimized.

Fair enough. Something with a 25% adjustment matters to everyone.

But many changes (1-2 point tweaks in XWM) just really aren't significant to casual play.

Then again, I'm the idiot willing to use the Damage Deck wrong for convenience.

17 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Then again, I'm the idiot problem solver willing to use the Damage Deck " wrong " for convenience to fill the need of a casual play environment with a massive number of ships on the table .

Fix'd. Indicators, tokens or whatever is handy and makes that the ship is damaged clearly visible, in place of damage cards for hits and face up damage cards for crits is absolutely fine in casual games, which is exactly what you'd been playing when you made that call...

22 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

But many changes (1-2 point tweaks in XWM) just really aren't significant to casual play.

Can be if said casual play is trying to adhere as closely to a more tightly structured tournament play style as possible. Kinda as a learning and practice tool.

You could use the 1.0 damage deck to mark regular hits too.

2 hours ago, LUZ_TAK said:

You could use the 1.0 damage deck to mark regular hits too.

No you can’t because there are cards that flip face down damage cards.

Does FFG have regrets? ABSOLUTELY NOT 🤑

37 minutes ago, XPav said:

No you can’t because there are cards that flip face down damage cards.

Replace the 1.0 card with a flipped 2.0 card. Do it reverse if you repair a critical.

Thane gets to search through face down cards.

Yeah it’ll work for most cases.

26 minutes ago, XPav said:

Thane gets to search through face down cards.

Yeah it’ll work for most cases.

Yeah, "I'll Show You the Dark Side" and stuff like this is what makes my idea not work.

Still, at that point, just draw a card (or cards) and sub it for the damage token(s).

It really just depends on how persnickety you want to be. I can't think of a single game where damage as tokens and cards for crits has wrecked a game for us.