So dark side Rey. We all thinking it's another force vision?

1 hour ago, GroggyGolem said:

So dark side Rey. We all thinking it's another force vision?

That is one of the leading theories. Of course the question is who's vision is it? Rey's or Kylo's?

Another one is it is a clone body that the Emperor's has taken over.

Just as a theory I am going throw out there is we see them do Bastila's turn and redemption in KOTOR.

That lightsaber is going to be a big seller for some toy manufacturer. I wonder if they will release the toys after Thanksgiving or if they wait until after the premiere.

4 hours ago, GroggyGolem said:

So dark side Rey. We all thinking it's another force vision?

It could also be a fakeout like how they dressed Luke up like a Sith at the beginning of Return, and even had him force choking people, but then ultimately it was just to fake out the audience.

Doubt they are going to actually make her go bad, though tempted is a valid path they might take, I mean, that's pretty much standard operating procedure for Star Wars and Force user protagonists.

33 minutes ago, KungFuFerret said:

It could also be a fakeout like how they dressed Luke up like a Sith at the beginning of Return, and even had him force choking people, but then ultimately it was just to fake out the audience.

Doubt they are going to actually make her go bad, though tempted is a valid path they might take, I mean, that's pretty much standard operating procedure for Star Wars and Force user protagonists.

I don't look at that as a fakeout. Luke was on the path to the dark side until his triumphant "I am a Jedi" speech. He gave into the temptation to assassinate the Emperor with his anger and hate, he went berserk at the mention of Leia being turned, he was at the edge. Love was what triumphed over his fear, anger and hate and what allowed him to refuse to fight any longer and give that speech.

When I said force vision I didn't necessarily mean one that comes to pass. I meant a vision similar to the cave of evil on Dagobah. You know, that whole "this is what you will become if you continue on this way" sort of moment.

Having spent the last four years gliding through the briny tears of deeply invested superfans, I suggest picking the simplest explanation (for whatever reason, this does not represent Rey) and coming out of the theater pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong.

32 minutes ago, wilsch said:

Having spent the last four years gliding through the briny tears of deeply invested superfans, I suggest picking the simplest explanation (for whatever reason, this does not represent Rey) and coming out of the theater pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong.

What i have come to expect is bad storytelling.

When I saw the title, I thought FFG was finally making a new Star Wars system, using 23-sided dice (ie. d23) and dubbing it the Rise of Skywalker system in honor of the new movie.

16 hours ago, GroggyGolem said:

When I said force vision I didn't necessarily mean one that comes to pass. I meant a vision similar to the cave of evil on Dagobah. You know, that whole "this is what you will become if you continue on this way" sort of moment.

Yes I am aware, and that is the most likely explanation. If you look at Rey in the shot,she looks very CGI'd, like they went to a lot of trouble to alter her physical appearance. She looks much thinner than what Daisy Ridley actually is right now, she even looked a little bald to me in that shot, but her hair might just be merging with the shadow of the hood, it's hard to say. Also she's had like NO time to build a new lightsaber, much less a double-bladed red one on top of a blue one to use in the rest of the film.

4 minutes ago, KungFuFerret said:

Yes I am aware, and that is the most likely explanation. If you look at Rey in the shot,she looks very CGI'd, like they went to a lot of trouble to alter her physical appearance. She looks much thinner than what Daisy Ridley actually is right now, she even looked a little bald to me in that shot, but her hair might just be merging with the shadow of the hood, it's hard to say. Also she's had like NO time to build a new lightsaber, much less a double-bladed red one on top of a blue one to use in the rest of the film.

That is why I am wondering if it is a Force Vision. Could it be Kylo who is the one seeing it?

40 minutes ago, Takeshi84 said:

That is why I am wondering if it is a Force Vision. Could it be Kylo who is the one seeing it?

Possibly, I see them going 2 ways with this, one is more likely than the other in my opinion.

1. The Rise of Skywalker, is referring to Kylo being redeemed, and he will be redeemed, by switching places with Rey. That she will succumb to her flaws, and embrace the Dark, and Kylo, having already marinated in the Dark, and finding it does nothing but tear him up, goes back to the Light, and we are seeing Evil Rey, as she is about to confront him. I find this route unlikely, as there just hasn't been enough precedent in this series to have Rey do such a sudden Face/Heel turn. Also, it is contrary to the shot we've seen, of them in their classic outfits, fighting. So it would be weird for them to have a costume change right at the end, just to match up with the shot we see. Also, my above mentioned point of "and when did she find time to make a Switchblade Sithsaber Staff while doing all the other stuff in the film?"

2. Either Kylo or Rey is having a Force vision in "a cave", and this is what they see. I suspect it will be Kylo having the vision, simply because he's the Skywalker, and it would make sense, that him seeing someone he cares about, going bad, and becoming everything opposite of what he cared about from her, would be the catalyst to have him reject the Dark and go to the Light. It could also be Rey, but that would be pretty repetitious with how Luke's scene went. But, the Star Wars franchise is all about recycling the same plot elements and hooks from previous installments, so I can't rule it out completely. I think this is the most likely scenario, as again, she looks digitally altered in the shot. Like they photoshopped her appearance to make her look more gaunt and corrupted. Which doesn't happen right away.

2 hours ago, KungFuFerret said:

Also she's had like NO time to build a new lightsaber, much less a double-bladed red one on top of a blue one to use in the rest of the film.

Sabers can be built quickly as Jedi use the force to construct them. Took minutes for padawans in the clone wars show and at most weeks in the rebels show.

11 minutes ago, GroggyGolem said:

Sabers can be built quickly as Jedi use the force to construct them. Took minutes for padawans in the clone wars show and at most weeks in the rebels show.

And where in the middle of the dramatic, fast paced events that are taking place in this finale movie, is she going to find the time to build a blue/green saber, continue her arc as the protagonist, long enough to fight Kylo (or someone wearing his mask at least), on a drowned star destroyer, and THEN turn around, go bad, find herself a wardrobe change to a full dark cloak, AND build a brand new saber, finding the red sith crystals, ALL while still carrying on the narrative flow of a 2+ hour movie? Sorry but that's just too much junk to try and stuff into the film, and have it make narrative sense. The most likely explanation is it's a force vision of a possible future Rey, where she does go bad.

Also, what does everyone think of the Switchblade Sith Saber? I personally think it's just really dumb looking. I keep thinking of that parody video from a few years ago, where the 2 guys in the snow keep one upping each other with ridiculous saber designs.

Well there's a year time gap between the last Jedi and this, so I assume they are going to skip over the new blue saber being built. I'm assuming if it isn't a vision then she finds the red saber. They were used by Jedi in the clone wars, usually by the Jedi temple guards.

So yeah there isn't time in the movie to really go build a saber unless it's quick but I can see them just skipping past it.

21 minutes ago, KungFuFerret said:

Also, what does everyone think of the Switchblade Sith Saber? I personally think it's just really dumb looking. I keep thinking of that parody video from a few years ago, where the 2 guys in the snow keep one upping each other with ridiculous saber designs.

This isn't the first time we've seen a lightsaber do this. Pong Krell's lightsabers folded over as well.

3 minutes ago, KungFuFerret said:

And where in the middle of the dramatic, fast paced events that are taking place in this finale movie, is she going to find the time to build a blue/green saber, continue her arc as the protagonist, long enough to fight Kylo (or someone wearing his mask at least), on a drowned star destroyer, and THEN turn around, go bad, find herself a wardrobe change to a full dark cloak, AND build a brand new saber, finding the red sith crystals, ALL while still carrying on the narrative flow of a 2+ hour movie? Sorry but that's just too much junk to try and stuff into the film, and have it make narrative sense. The most likely explanation is it's a force vision of a possible future Rey, where she does go bad.

Also, what does everyone think of the Switchblade Sith Saber? I personally think it's just really dumb looking. I keep thinking of that parody video from a few years ago, where the 2 guys in the snow keep one upping each other with ridiculous saber designs.

I don't see how it could be wielded too well in the folded position. Yes, we've seen Ezra have a non-standard hilt but the double hilt side by side is just too awkward. It may have the benefit of being more compact for carrying but the only way it can be used is going to be extended

12 minutes ago, kaosoe said:

This isn't the first time we've seen a lightsaber do this. Pong Krell's lightsabers folded over as well.

It's the first time I've ever seen it, but then I don't consume every bit of Star Wars content. Besides, it having been done before, doesn't make it look less silly.

Could it be The Rise of Skywalker means Kylo becomes the new Emperor, turn Rey so she can reign at his Darkside when they both overcome that joke of the New Republic ?😁 And of course we discover that Rey is in fact a Skywalker too.

35 minutes ago, KungFuFerret said:

It's the first time I've ever seen it, but then I don't consume every bit of Star Wars content. Besides, it having been done before, doesn't make it look less silly.

Fair enough. The arc featuring him in the Clone Wars show was one of my favorites. The fight scene at the end was great.

@kaosoe lol, i watched that clip. Man it's hilarious how bad the aim is of those troopers if you watch the background. I mean, there are moments where he's standing still, and you can see blaster shots from these "elite troopers", firing off at the roof at like a 45degree angle, aiming at the ceiling like 30 feet away from him!

Good old Trooper Acadmey, it's long standing tradition lives on!

There are three theories going around that are the most probable.

• She turns to the Dark Side (unlikely)
• It's a Force vision
• It's a Dark Side clone.

1 hour ago, WolfRider said:

Could it be The Rise of Skywalker means Kylo becomes the new Emperor, turn Rey so she can reign at his Darkside when they both overcome that joke of the New Republic ?😁 And of course we discover that Rey is in fact a Skywalker too.

I doubt it. Generally, when it's the conclusion of a story arc, writers tend to end with a positive ending. And usually, in verbage, the term Rise generally has a positive connotation, and coupling it with the name Skywalker, which also has positive connotations overall, suggests the "rise" will be a good thing. And since the only Skywalker we know of, that is still alive, is Kylo, it would suggest he will be redeemed. That and the other 2 movies have been clearly building up to that with his actions, and inactions.

What I don't know is what will be the trigger to make him turn. My theory is the Dark Rey is a force vision, for Kylo, and he's seeing what his path will cause, her going evil. Which, when seeing it in front of him, makes him realize that A) He cares about her more than he is willing to hide, enough to make him give up on his bad boy ways. B) The things that made him care about her so much, will have been killed by her turn to the thing he was trying to make her. In fact I now suspect the Rey vision will echo his "let the past die, kill it if you have to" line, talking about her old "weak, soft" self. The kind, caring person that he became attracted to.

Thus, having seen what his actions will cost him, and deciding it's too much, he will then turn against the First Order, probably involving that scene we see of him chest checking what looks like a Knight of Ren into the ground (as they will be deployed to stop him from going good), and he will go off to fight, possibly Rey, to try and prevent her from succumbing to the Dark, possibly in front of the Emperor himself, since they decided to bring his *** back 🙄

That's my theory anyway.

One possibility I kind of like is that Dark Rey is Palpatine's creation, and the original, Skywalker 2.0 so to speak, while 'our' Rey is a failed copy or at best a backup he made.

I'd really rather she just be "a person". I've never understood the fanbase's obsession with limiting the pool of Force users to "the people we've already decided we like, and that's it."

I mean, pre-Order 66, there were TONS of people in the galaxy, from all walks of life that could use the Force. It wasn't a special thing unique to a handful of people, spread across the galaxy sized society, the numbers would be massive. They just never found all of them. So I find it just silly, and frankly stupid, to balk at the idea that "she's just another person, of potentially millions" that are Force sensitive, just like the millions of people before her. I mean, from a genetic viewpoint, you could say that O66 was the equivalent of...oh I don't know, targeting all Ginger's who also happen to have trained at Cirque du Soleil. That's NOT the same thing as "Killing all Ginger's that existed everywhere". And since the Gingers of the galaxy still exist, and are constantly being born, because the Force is created by LIFE ITSELF, the subsequent generations of Gingers can once again, find the ancient lost teachings of the Cirque du Soleil, and once again tumble and flip their way around the galaxy.

I just...I am baffled, flumoxed, even flabbergasted at the fanbase's insistence on tying EVERYTHING to everything that came before. "Bald guy that acts like a pimp? Must be Mace Windu!!" I mean, come on people.