Also maul is totally set up to be a scum/mandalorian commander when he comes to Legion

Maul would be the only Scum force user outside of Savage.

Which faction would nightsisters play with?

I see more monsters in the scum faction. If they are bored, they'll just release mercenary counterparts instead of unique units.

Swoop bikes = speeder bikes/STAP

Gammoreans = Royal Guard/Wookiees

Hired Thugs = fleet troopers/B2 short range pistol-toting Rodians or Gangsters

But who doesn't want a rancor for a heavy?

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On 4/26/2020 at 2:10 AM, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

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I liked Trace and Rafa

13 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

I liked Trace and Rafa

Trace and Rafa were cool. Were they "four whole episodes out of what is almost certainly going to be the last 12 episodes of TCW we ever get" cool though? IMO not really. Especially given the arc doesn't really do anything, it's just kinda...there. Other than teeing Ahsoka up for one of the silliest moments in the show(really, you're going to berate Obi-wan for going to defend Coruscant because he only cares about the Chancellor not the people - erm, given all her experiences with the Separatists, what exactly did she think they would do to the people if they took Coruscant? Institute a Universal Basic Income? 🙄 ) it doesn't really achieve much. And in a normal season that would be fine, it could maybe do with being trimmed down to three episodes so it's a bit punchier, but I'd be happy to enough to watch it. The opportunity cost of having it now, as part of the final ever season, when we could have had more Ventress, or the Boba vs Cad Bane arc, or seen more of the Outer Rim Sieges though, that rankles a bit, and it makes me enjoy Trace & Rafa less than I otherwise might have.

2 hours ago, Yodhrin said:

Trace and Rafa were cool. Were they "four whole episodes out of what is almost certainly going to be the last 12 episodes of TCW we ever get" cool though? IMO not really. Especially given the arc doesn't really do anything, it's just kinda...there. Other than teeing Ahsoka up for one of the silliest moments in the show(really, you're going to berate Obi-wan for going to defend Coruscant because he only cares about the Chancellor not the people - erm, given all her experiences with the Separatists, what exactly did she think they would do to the people if they took Coruscant? Institute a Universal Basic Income? 🙄 ) it doesn't really achieve much. And in a normal season that would be fine, it could maybe do with being trimmed down to three episodes so it's a bit punchier, but I'd be happy to enough to watch it. The opportunity cost of having it now, as part of the final ever season, when we could have had more Ventress, or the Boba vs Cad Bane arc, or seen more of the Outer Rim Sieges though, that rankles a bit, and it makes me enjoy Trace & Rafa less than I otherwise might have.

this, didn't she just leave Trace and Rafa on Coruscant? she's not worried they (and her bike) might be destroyed?

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6 hours ago, Yodhrin said:

Trace and Rafa were cool. Were they "four whole episodes out of what is almost certainly going to be the last 12 episodes of TCW we ever get" cool though? IMO not really. Especially given the arc doesn't really do anything, it's just kinda...there. Other than teeing Ahsoka up for one of the silliest moments in the show(really, you're going to berate Obi-wan for going to defend Coruscant because he only cares about the Chancellor not the people - erm, given all her experiences with the Separatists, what exactly did she think they would do to the people if they took Coruscant? Institute a Universal Basic Income? 🙄 ) it doesn't really achieve much. And in a normal season that would be fine, it could maybe do with being trimmed down to three episodes so it's a bit punchier, but I'd be happy to enough to watch it. The opportunity cost of having it now, as part of the final ever season, when we could have had more Ventress, or the Boba vs Cad Bane arc, or seen more of the Outer Rim Sieges though, that rankles a bit, and it makes me enjoy Trace & Rafa less than I otherwise might have.

It is very likely that these episodes were part of the main arc. Remember the clone wars was cancelled and they had some if it done. This is why we got the pre-vis episodes years ago. They probably planned a full season. They hd to pick and choose from what they had. Scripts, storyboards, and animation are not something that can be just whipped up.

The bad batch episodes were likely farthest along production wise. Again, they had them, in pre-vis. So they were easy to finish up.

Now the middle four episodes (with Trace and Rafa) likely had their scripts, and storyboards done (if not other assets too). We got the four episodes because they lead into The Siege of Mandalore arc. Re-writing the script could be done, but it is costly. Again if they are far enough along (before cancellation) it would waste time to go backwards. These episodes get Ahsoka where she needs to be.

That four episode arc can't be broken up without substantial rewrites, so better to have it than not have it. The other pre-vis episodes we had while it would have been nice, doesn't add to this story. Now the bad batch doesn't either, other than humanizing Rex and the clones some more. It was actiony, half-done so it made sense.

The last season is to give us (And Filoni and co) as much closure as possible. It very much didn't have to be made. But, they are using what they had, with, likely a limited budget, and amid other commitments.
Those episodes make sense to the story, likely there would have had been an arc Or episode between oba-dia and Mandalore.

13 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

It is very likely that these episodes were part of the main arc. Remember the clone wars was cancelled and they had some if it done. This is why we got the pre-vis episodes years ago. They probably planned a full season. They hd to pick and choose from what they had. Scripts, storyboards, and animation are not something that can be just whipped up.

The bad batch episodes were likely farthest along production wise. Again, they had them, in pre-vis. So they were easy to finish up.

Now the middle four episodes (with Trace and Rafa) likely had their scripts, and storyboards done (if not other assets too). We got the four episodes because they lead into The Siege of Mandalore arc. Re-writing the script could be done, but it is costly. Again if they are far enough along (before cancellation) it would waste time to go backwards. These episodes get Ahsoka where she needs to be.

That four episode arc can't be broken up without substantial rewrites, so better to have it than not have it. The other pre-vis episodes we had while it would have been nice, doesn't add to this story. Now the bad batch doesn't either, other than humanizing Rex and the clones some more. It was actiony, half-done so it made sense.

The last season is to give us (And Filoni and co) as much closure as possible. It very much didn't have to be made. But, they are using what they had, with, likely a limited budget, and amid other commitments.
Those episodes make sense to the story, likely there would have had been an arc Or episode between oba-dia and Mandalore.

Which actually makes it doubly odd they would do this particular arc, because it very much wasn't "ready made" in the way the Bad Batch arc was - the "Ahsoka's walkabout" concept that became these four episodes was at about the same stage of development as the Boba vs Bane arc(ie, basic story, outlines, some pre-vis), but they then went back and put in additional work to quite substantially alter it by tweaking it to be set at a different point in the metaplot than was originally intended, compressed it, the lead-in to Siege of Mandalore was added not originally present iirc, and exchanging the original main core plot of Ahsoka having a pseudo-romance with a teen boy character to the friendship and sisters plot we got in the end.

And that latter one was actually a good move IMO, but it's hard to argue making those four episodes was just an unavoidable result of the circumstances when they chose to do it over other alternatives at a similar stage of development and then went further and put more effort into it than would have been required to realise those alternatives, and it's hard to argue the mini version of the Walkabout plot really adds very much to the "closure" angle either. Ahsoka isn't very different at the end from where she was at the beginning, and I actually think the "reunion" holocall in Siege would have more impact if it had come "out of the blue" without the audience having been walked through exactly how Ahsoka ended up in that situation with Bo-katan. I also think the show would have had an easier time reconciling Eckstein's portrayal of Ahsoka as much close to the mature version we see on Rebels than the "plucky teen" version she still was just prior to the whole bombing plot if that could be rationalised as her having been doing her own thing "off screen" for a period of time before we see her pop up in Siege, as opposed to the straight temple bombing > mini-walkabout > Siege sequence they ended up presenting. It would have been a shame to lose the shot-for-shot mirror sequence of Luke & Vader sensing each other with Ahsoka & Anakin instead, but otherwise I actually think these four episodes detract from rather than enhance the final season - if we were getting a full run, and the whole intended Walkabout setup sprinkled throughout it showing an actual progression from plucky teen Ahsoka to more mature Ahsoka, with both that story and the others given room to breathe, it would have been a worthy addition, but as it is, meh.

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Good finale but still more story to be told. I'd like to fill in the gaps for Ashoka between this episode, Rebels and the upcoming season of The Mandalorian.

21 minutes ago, drail14me said:

Good finale but still more story to be told. I'd like to fill in the gaps for Ashoka between this episode, Rebels and the upcoming season of The Mandalorian.

that's easy, she gets up, has some coffee and fruit, brushes her teeth, works out, takes a shower and then logs in to the Galactic unemployment.

I'm wondering if they will ever do the Ahsoka-Sabine search for Ezra and Thrawn, that someone teased.

1 minute ago, buckero0 said:

I'm wondering if they will ever do the Ahsoka-Sabine search for Ezra and Thrawn, that someone teased.

I sure hope so. I really had expected them to show up in The Rise of Skywalker but those hopes were crushed.

1 hour ago, drail14me said:

Good finale but still more story to be told. I'd like to fill in the gaps for Ashoka between this episode, Rebels and the upcoming season of The Mandalorian.

This fills in some of the gaps. Definitely references the end of the TCW episode (not sure exactly how long after it is set) and links up to Rebels nicely.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ahsoka_(novel)

4 hours ago, Welshie13 said:

This fills in some of the gaps. Definitely references the end of the TCW episode (not sure exactly how long after it is set) and links up to Rebels nicely.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ahsoka_(novel)

I never understood how she became a Master Mechanic when she was supposed to be training as a Jedi.

2 hours ago, buckero0 said:

I never understood how she became a Master Mechanic when she was supposed to be training as a Jedi.

I always wrote that off as a side aspect of her apprenticeship to Anakin. Just as her lightsaber training with him was handled off screen, this stuff likely would be too. She started showing signs of her mechanical work even as early as season three and the Mortis arc.

14 hours ago, Kirjath08 said:

I always wrote that off as a side aspect of her apprenticeship to Anakin. Just as her lightsaber training with him was handled off screen, this stuff likely would be too. She started showing signs of her mechanical work even as early as season three and the Mortis arc.

No wonder Anakin fell to the dark side in 40min or less. He just wasn't focused or motivated.

I would say my one and only gripe with the season was that we still didn't see Anakin's fall depicted incrementally. This show could have smoothed that over from the movie.

We do see him kill trench pretty brutally but thats about it. I was hoping to see a bit more of a bridge between the good guy, likeable Anakin we get in the series and the monotone moody Anakin of the final prequel movie.

Great season over all though. The siege of Mandalore/Order 66 arc is now one of my favorite pieces of star wars media.

On 5/4/2020 at 6:58 AM, drail14me said:

Good finale but still more story to be told. I'd like to fill in the gaps for Ashoka between this episode, Rebels and the upcoming season of The Mandalorian.

Actually I'm more interested in Captain Rex's story of what happened between this arc and when we see him again in Rebels. How did he get together with Gregor and Wolffe and end up on Seelos in an AT-TE slinging for Joopas would be an interesting story in my opinion.

2 hours ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

I would say my one and only gripe with the season was that we still didn't see Anakin's fall depicted incrementally. This show could have smoothed that over from the movie.

We do see him kill trench pretty brutally but thats about it. I was hoping to see a bit more of a bridge between the good guy, likeable Anakin we get in the series and the monotone moody Anakin of the final prequel movie.

Great season over all though. The siege of Mandalore/Order 66 arc is now one of my favorite pieces of star wars media.

I agree. That being said these were as close to perfect story as they could have been for me.

Music - 9.9

Plot/Story - 9

Dialogue 9.5 (to be clear this is a relative rating compared to rest of star wars as a whole. Phantom Apprentice had what I thought was the best dialogue in all of star wars)

Animation - 10

Lightsaber fight - top 3 in all of star wars (using Ray Park for Mocap was a treat)

Directing - 9.9

voice acting - 9.9

3 hours ago, T70 Driver said:

Actually I'm more interested in Captain Rex's story of what happened between this arc and when we see him again in Rebels. How did he get together with Gregor and Wolffe and end up on Seelos in an AT-TE slinging for Joopas would be an interesting story in my opinion.

That sounds good too. Kind of thinking that Rex and Ashoka probably stuck together for a while.