Not all of the space marine chapters differed. True, the blood angels and dark angels had different leadership and different flavor units. But they had many units that were identical and that worked identically in both their mechanics such as tactical squads. The chapters became even more identical when you got into successor chapters where it was literally identical in all ways except for paint scheme.

Here we have much the same. Basic core units that have the same make up but instead of all being born into it where it is just a job all of the troops are indoctrinated to the point of fanaticism. The approach to warfare itself feels different. Most see this as going from a grinding machine that just rolls over to a ravaging storm that does it for the sheer joy or destruction and a greater focus on force users apparantly with stormtrooper leaders using light weapons adding a close combat element to their units that was not in the original movies. We have seen several entirely new units that could have existed in the empire but were not shown and at least one that likely was not present then at all. It also comes down to leadership. Different leaders can cause forces to operate in entirely different ways on the field in a game. For example Some can have longer command ranges or cause nearby friendly units to fire or act "out of turn".Phasma has a fear range thing in x wing that affects nearby enemy ships just by being near the one she is on. Thats something that not even Vader had.

To many it could even be how they view their army. A player might just not like the original movies preferring only the new ones and think "well, if they dont have my faction, I'm not even gonna bother playing". It could be a matter of an empire player thinking "I wish they would do some FO stormtroopers so I can use them as empire ones to have a wider variety of poses. We have at least one more movie to go and a few years at least and possibly an edition to go before we see it. I have enough faith in all involved parties (movie makers, game makers and players) to have enough imagination and creativity to make it work and make money doing so.... well at least the first two anyway lol. We have even seen FF create good units of their own that arent in the movies at all to fill gaps to keep factions even and it work out well and look good. Heck, you could even have the Fo be identical in all ways mechancially and not add in any new units outside of the named characters and leadership and I would be willing to bet that there would be people who do not currently play empire buy them to play starting a new army and more than a few current empire players who would just for the variety sake of having their models serve double duty.

Of course, I could be wrong but from what I have seen in practice in the last 35= years of wargaming, It is not likely.

On 8/25/2019 at 6:43 AM, chr335 said:

Yes the space marines share many units but each chapter was mechanically different preferring specific tactics and having different bonuses. I agree the first order has sufficient units but what is going to make them mechanically different from the Empire game wise?

Not when Warhammer was in it's "Legion phase". For the first like 8 years, unless you were a really dedicated fan or lived in a big city with a very active community (so that in either case you had access to some very obscure data) all space marine chapters were the same. The only thing that differentiated them was your choice of paint.

Back when I started playing we couldn't afford codices (and most of them weren't out yet anyhow) so we just played with the Codex: Army Lists booklet that came in the box. We had one space marine list that didn't explain a bunch of the late Rogue Trader specialist units that were sold in stores (those stats were in WD back issues, largely not available in the states, and not always adapted to 2e anyways) the Imperial Guard list made zero sense when you tried to reconcile it to the available figures, and we STILL THOUGHT THE GAME WAS AWESOME. Also the staple vehicles for orks and marines were no longer sold in stores (and wouldn't be, for the entire life of 2nd edition) but we got their stats in the starter box instead of the stats for vehicles we could buy. What a hot mess.

By the end of second edition (a full 11 years into 40k) we only had 4 chapters. Blood Angles and Dark Angels (who shared a codex), Space Wolves (hopelessly imbalanced) and Ultramarines (who were the codex for all the other paint schemes than successor chapters of the above).

That didn't hurt Warhammer 40,000 too much. Legion can get away with new factions that recycle Corps unit stats IMO. Cool figures sell themselves.

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

Blood Angles

Ah yes, the Blood Angles. Known throughout the fandom for their weaponized protractors and obtuse personalities. Lead by the great Pythagorean.

6 minutes ago, thepopemobile100 said:

Ah yes, the Blood Angles. Known throughout the fandom for their weaponized protractors and obtuse personalities. Lead by the great Pythagorean.

Enough.. no need to go off on a tangent.

12 minutes ago, thepopemobile100 said:

Ah yes, the Blood Angles. Known throughout the fandom for their weaponized protractors and obtuse personalities. Lead by the great Pythagorean.

Yup. A thinly veiled military history reference. Like so much in scifi/fantasy wargames. See also: The Bloody Angle.

Yep, i remember anxiously waiting the release of the chaos books back in rogue trader (HATED having sell them a few years ago when times were hard). Your right almost literally just different paint schemes and they had only listed a couple chapters but fully explained how there were 1000 chapters leaving room for players to make their own up. Now, years later there are different time frames, successor chapters and actual details for the main ones. YET, every players still buys the same basic box sets. Tactical squad, devastator squad assault squad, rhinos, land raiders.... as they are the basic staple of all of the chapters and you just give them different paint schemes. If you have two different marine armies, you buy doubles so you can have each army with their own. With only special characters and the odd flavor squad along with a possible few odd rules extra outside of the models being different. The same applies here. Empire and FO use the same basic staple units and vehicles with only different characters, a few different equipment pieces (some going obsolete and some coming out new) along with a few possible odd extra rules. Entirely different forces. The only difference here is we dont have wildly different paint schemes allowing players to have many of their models serve double duty going with whichever faction they want to play that day empire or FO. Allowing FF to save $ by not repacking what they have and giving them time to sculpt new ones if they so desire. if not, they could discontinue the packaging on the models that can serve double duty and pack new ones with boxes that advertise it. EVEN then, you would likely find players who would buy the extra models "just because".

1 hour ago, EVIL INC said:

Yep, i remember anxiously waiting the release of the chaos books back in rogue trader... literally just different paint schemes

And they had almost every faction use the same plastic tank kits. Imperial Guard Rhinos. Ork Land Raiders. Good times.

Course I was busy with D6 Star Wars and Battletech during Rogue Trader. Probably because in that era, I could find the Warhammer books at B. Dalton but no one sold the actual miniatures until the big 2nd edition box came out! If you lived in the country, 2e was when W40k "happened". We played a lot of games almost exclusively with core set repaints. Take that extra marine sergeant, paint his armor metallic, and he's promoted to a captain! Give a rank and file marine white armor, and he's an apothecary! Give that Goff ork a looted imperial power axe and he's your warboss!

On 8/21/2019 at 8:13 AM, EVIL INC said:

Well, Title says it all. IF the First order were to be introduced next, what would you like to see?

Well now you have your answer according to Navaro...no First Order as not enough differential

5 minutes ago, GhengisharnIV said:

Well now you have your answer according to Navaro...no First Order as not enough differential

I tried to help him, but was labeled a “troll”.

Now, we have our answer.

This evil inc did the same over on the x wing forum and the thread was locked. He reported my account as fake and falsely accused me to other forum members such as snow, pike and company. I think we can handle the nonsense as the force has strong influence over the weak minded as Obi told Luke (who charmingly looked confused). I have been labelled many things in my life but a fool is not one of them. This thread should have been locked the moment it turned into a reverie for lost years to 40K...I am glad that so many have come over to the Star Wars Legion game but they should check their allegiance...

I figured after your enforced vacation, you would have learned something. No one cares that you have a different opinion. We encourage our members here to voice them. Because that gives us all sources of new ideas and ways of looking at things that may benefit us. We also encourage our members to treat one another with dignity and respect. It is the lack of the latter that got you in trouble. As FO and resistance is not expected for years if ever (as i told you early on), they are not something we should be anxious about or losing sleep over.

However, despite your belief, it does no harm for us to allow our members to prefer or like those factions. It also does no harm to allow members to discuss their units and personalities and ways that they could be added to the game along with ways to make them stand out. It is exactly this sort of discussion that our gaming companies and dev teams watch and follow to glean ides from (along with the source materials of course).

Therefore, if this is not a discussion that you support, your best and loudest statement is to simply not take part in it. We have already come up with more than enough ideas for the dev team to consider. Whether they feel they are good enough or able to be put into game terms or financially viable or just to "fiddly" is up to them. Even if they do use them, we definitely would not be put into effect for yours. When you spend as much time in the industry as I have you get to know this just as you get to know that no time is a bad time to discuss possible future additions to a game (even if those additions will never be put into place because it sparks ideas. Even if they are only used by members of the community in home brew games in private groups, they have benefited the community because they keep interest and excitement in the material and keep interest in the game preventing it from becoming stagnant. We ask that you not discourage such discussions because when people do not feel they are in a welcome or inviting environment, they often leave.

Now if a mod desires, they can close this thread as it has served it's purpose. Soon enough, we will have another one like it (where hopefully we will get yet more new ideas after we have had time to "sleep on it". Besides, I about to leave for a couple of days on an actual vacation and am likely to not be on here much.

4 hours ago, EVIL INC said:

I figured after your enforced vacation, you would have learned something. No one cares that you have a different opinion. We encourage our members here to voice them. Because that gives us all sources of new ideas and ways of looking at things that may benefit us. We also encourage our members to treat one another with dignity and respect. It is the lack of the latter that got you in trouble. As FO and resistance is not expected for years if ever (as i told you early on), they are not something we should be anxious about or losing sleep over.

However, despite your belief, it does no harm for us to allow our members to prefer or like those factions. It also does no harm to allow members to discuss their units and personalities and ways that they could be added to the game along with ways to make them stand out. It is exactly this sort of discussion that our gaming companies and dev teams watch and follow to glean ides from (along with the source materials of course).

Therefore, if this is not a discussion that you support, your best and loudest statement is to simply not take part in it. We have already come up with more than enough ideas for the dev team to consider. Whether they feel they are good enough or able to be put into game terms or financially viable or just to "fiddly" is up to them. Even if they do use them, we definitely would not be put into effect for yours. When you spend as much time in the industry as I have you get to know this just as you get to know that no time is a bad time to discuss possible future additions to a game (even if those additions will never be put into place because it sparks ideas. Even if they are only used by members of the community in home brew games in private groups, they have benefited the community because they keep interest and excitement in the material and keep interest in the game preventing it from becoming stagnant. We ask that you not discourage such discussions because when people do not feel they are in a welcome or inviting environment, they often leave.

Now if a mod desires, they can close this thread as it has served it's purpose. Soon enough, we will have another one like it (where hopefully we will get yet more new ideas after we have had time to "sleep on it". Besides, I about to leave for a couple of days on an actual vacation and am likely to not be on here much.

Absolute comedy gold...now back to topic...

WHAT IF FO WERE NEXT...??? Oh sorry, FO are not next.

Please go back to x wing and spread falsehood there a while - a break is considered as good as a holiday they say.

On 8/22/2019 at 7:49 AM, devin.pike.1989 said:

What distinguishes a clone trooper from a stormtrooper?

An F O trooper?

On 8/22/2019 at 11:38 AM, devin.pike.1989 said:

I really think that fo troopers would have something to highlight their fanaticism.

They do...right here in this forum...some of the FO fans who cannot let go of GW elitism...

Seriously dude? Gonna go back through all my old comments to gloat or something? Whatever floats your boat...

13 minutes ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

Seriously dude? Gonna go back through all my old comments to gloat or something? Whatever floats your boat...

You are incorrect, however you are very serious about these minis...

Not even gonna bother...

3 minutes ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

Not even gonna bother...

Fair enough, neither will I.

Don’t feed the trolls.

If I recall right they never said the ST factions will never come just that they dont have any plans right now, and that they feel like they dont have enough material "at the moment". So y is everyone acting like they are never going to come to legion. Honestly just sounds like if they do come it will be longer then some expected/hoped them to come.

51 minutes ago, lunitic501 said:

If I recall right they never said the ST factions will never come just that they dont have any plans right now, and that they feel like they dont have enough material "at the moment". So y is everyone acting like they are never going to come to legion. Honestly just sounds like if they do come it will be longer then some expected/hoped them to come.

Because some people get their jollies ******** on things other people enjoy.

I wouldn't take FFG's comments as "never" and more as "delayed". If they have no plans now, seems to me that likely means the next year or two the focus is going to be Clone Wars, and perhaps some new, unknown project. I imagine then at some point they will re-evaluate if there's enough material for FO/resistance, perhaps after more supporting material comes out for the new movies. That does all mean it's certainly a while off though, and personally I have to say I think it's far better for the game that FFG will focus on making CIS/Republic fully fledged factions before starting new ones.

1 hour ago, Asvaldir said:

I wouldn't take FFG's comments as "never" and more as "delayed". If they have no plans now, seems to me that likely means the next year or two the focus is going to be Clone Wars, and perhaps some new, unknown project. I imagine then at some point they will re-evaluate if there's enough material for FO/resistance, perhaps after more supporting material comes out for the new movies. That does all mean it's certainly a while off though, and personally I have to say I think it's far better for the game that FFG will focus on making CIS/Republic fully fledged factions before starting new ones.

I think the red flag is they originally had plans and then scrapped them for CW.

I thought we would see FO/Resistance in 2 years. But I suspect we may never get it unless their is a huge demand for it (currently their isn't one).

20 minutes ago, R3dReVenge said:

I think the red flag is they originally had plans and then scrapped them for CW.

I thought we would see FO/Resistance in 2 years. But I suspect we may never get it unless their is a huge demand for it (currently their isn't one).

I'm one of the ones that REALLY wants First Order and Resistance. Currently I am disappointed there are currently no plans.

On one part, I understand that while the First Order has MORE than enough units to make an army, the resistance is short, though the thread I started shows there could be enough. Another part, is that FFG has made mistakes in the past in terms of characters (Poe’s lower than what it should be Pilot Skill in x-wing 1.0.) so until the Rise of Skywalker comes out, it does make sense to wait. I'd rather things be done right than done fast I suppose.

Still, with one of the reasons I got into Legion being the hopes that I would be able to play the First Order and Resistance battles with my son. I am sad that we can't do it. On the bright side, I can maybe buy a few units for the separatists, and divvy my gaming budget towards other things. Asmodee might still get my money if the Marvel Crisis Protocol puts in Squirrel Girl. 😜

On 9/1/2019 at 4:46 AM, TauntaunScout said:

Don’t feed the trolls.

...but...but...they gets so....hungry....