First Order Stormtrooper Upgrade Expansion!!

https://cleverclanker.video.blog/2019/12/13/first-order-stormtroopers-upgrade-expansion/

On 12/14/2019 at 7:20 PM, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

Amazing hidden meaning....

7 minutes ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

Old Republic trilogy confirmed. lol

3 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Old Republic trilogy confirmed. lol

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17 minutes ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

Sexy

Spoiler below, read at you own risk :

19 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Old Republic trilogy confirmed. lol

My only hope is that Disney will rewrite that horrible travesty that is kotor.

2 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

My only hope is that Disney will rewrite that horrible travesty that is kotor.

I ... I wrote dialogue for the MMO 😢 😔

13 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

My only hope is that Disney will rewrite that horrible travesty that is kotor.

Wait, you didn’t like the KOTOR games?

14 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

My only hope is that Disney will rewrite that horrible travesty that is kotor.

Well, that is certainly an opinion. I doubt it's a very common one, however, since just about everybody seems to be hoping Disney start outright copying from EU material like KotOR in the hopes they'll produce a trilogy that's, you know, good.

Personally I'd rather they go with Tales of the Jedi-style material to start with, but the KotOR plot is practically tailor made for an OT-style trilogy(first film presents Revan as equivalent to Luke, adventures culminating in a big confrontation and him discovering his force sensitivity, second film does Jedi related stuff and culminates in the Shocking Reveal, final film resolves all the big conflicts and has the protagonist struggle with their history and the Dark Side, ultimately choosing the side of right and good etc etc.

Heck, if they did it right and we ended up maybe getting a KotOR2 adaptation as well, we could end up getting a version of the proposed KotOR3 story that EA have been corp-blocking for a decade as a third trilogy. So long as they don't go near the whole Eternal Throne/Vitiate debacle.

19 hours ago, Rcracken7 said:

Wait, you didn’t like the KOTOR games?

No, no I did not.

18 hours ago, Yodhrin said:

Well, that is certainly an opinion. I doubt it's a very common one, however, since just about everybody seems to be hoping Disney start outright copying from EU material like KotOR in the hopes they'll produce a trilogy that's, you know, good.

Personally I'd rather they go with Tales of the Jedi-style material to start with, but the KotOR plot is practically tailor made for an OT-style trilogy(first film presents Revan as equivalent to Luke, adventures culminating in a big confrontation and him discovering his force sensitivity, second film does Jedi related stuff and culminates in the Shocking Reveal, final film resolves all the big conflicts and has the protagonist struggle with their history and the Dark Side, ultimately choosing the side of right and good etc etc.

Heck, if they did it right and we ended up maybe getting a KotOR2 adaptation as well, we could end up getting a version of the proposed KotOR3 story that EA have been corp-blocking for a decade as a third trilogy. So long as they don't go near the whole Eternal Throne/Vitiate debacle.

Ugh.. there was never a “shocking reveal” in kotor. The amnesia plot point made it so predictable that you were playing revan.

I would prefer tales of the jedi to kotor.. visually it would look so much better. The kotor games, suffer from what people claim the sequels suffer from - lack of visual imagination. Kotor had Not TIE Fighters ™️ , the not Millennium Falcon ™️ , Not Stormtroopers ™️ , etc. The MMO was even worse for visual design, copying everything for the sith for the Empire. It was lazy. tales of the jedi had the hollowed out giant insects as starship hulls if I recall - it was different.

kotor also had other issues as to why I disliked it. It was based off a subpar wotc rpg, which had a very large slant to combat. This meant that the game forced you to play it a certain way. You HAD to make a combat character. At the end of the day, choices you make didn't matter as they had no meaning. You just had to fight the end boss. It was boring.
visually the fact that lightsabers could be deflected by anything - every weapon/piece of clothing was full of cortosis or something else. This was due to engine limitations but was so immersion breaking to me.

So, I know I'm the minority, but I enjoyed the sequels, more so than I ever did kotor, which I just sloughed through.

5 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

No, no I am not.

Ugh.. there was never a “shocking reveal” in kotor. The amnesia plot point made it so predictable that you were playing revan.

I would prefer tales of the jedi to kotor.. visually it would look so much better. The kotor games, suffer from what people claim the sequels suffer from - lack of visual imagination. Kotor had Not TIE Fighters ™️ , the not Millennium Falcon ™️ , Not Stormtroopers ™️ , etc. The MMO was even worse for visual design, copying everything for the sith for the Empire. It was lazy. tales of the jedi had the hollowed out giant insects as starship hulls if I recall - it was different.

kotor also had other issues as to why I disliked it. It was based off a subpar wotc rpg, which had a very large slant to combat. This meant that the game forced you to play it a certain way. You HAD to make a combat character. At the end of the day, choices you make didn't matter as they had no meaning. You just had to fight the end boss. It was boring.
visually the fact that lightsabers could be deflected by anything - every weapon/piece of clothing was full of cortosis or something else. This was due to engine limitations but was so immersion breaking to me.

So, I know I'm the minority, but I enjoyed the sequels, more so than I ever did kotor, which I just sloughed through.

I don't see how an amnesia plot made it "so predictable" you were playing Revan. It made it predictable that there would be a big reveal at some point about your origins, but I suspect a lot of people who think they totes predicted it would be Revan are misremembering - I've "correctly predicted" the end of a lot of amnesia/mystery plots over the years, but always in the sense of the end result being one of the possibilities I considered, and it's been my experience that other people are exactly the same, save that some convince themselves after the fact that they only really thought the correct answer was the right one or even blank out the memory of considering other options at all. Regardless, for the vast majority of the casual cinemagoing audience, "ZOMG HE WAS REVAN ALL ALONG!!!1" in the closing act of the second movie would hit every bit as hard as "No, I am your father!", especially since they have the option of tweaking the script to make the possibility less obvious if they feel the need to.

I agree that the KotOR design aesthetic wasn't as original as Tales etc, but I don't think it even comes close to TOR's total lack of ambition, and I do find it a bit [sheev]ironic[/sheev] that you find it so irksome in the games but are apparently willing to overlook an arguably even less creative and ambitious design language in the Sequels. Bioware's efforts are clearly varying degrees of "remix" of the OT and PT aesthetics, but often the Sequels just straight up plunders the OT for its actual designs and then slightly tweak their proportions.

The rest of your issues don't really have any relevance in the context of this discussion since the limitations of early-oughts game design, the mechanical systems underlying the gameplay, and the way Bioware games offer only an illusion of choice to the player aren't going to be an issue if taking the basic story and aesthetic ideas and making a film script out of them.

6 hours ago, Yodhrin said:

I don't see how an amnesia plot made it "so predictable" you were playing Revan. It made it predictable that there would be a big reveal at some point about your origins, but I suspect a lot of people who think they totes predicted it would be Revan are misremembering - I've "correctly predicted" the end of a lot of amnesia/mystery plots over the years, but always in the sense of the end result being one of the possibilities I considered, and it's been my experience that other people are exactly the same, save that some convince themselves after the fact that they only really thought the correct answer was the right one or even blank out the memory of considering other options at all. Regardless, for the vast majority of the casual cinemagoing audience, "ZOMG HE WAS REVAN ALL ALONG!!!1" in the closing act of the second movie would hit every bit as hard as "No, I am your father!", especially since they have the option of tweaking the script to make the possibility less obvious if they feel the need to.

You play high values target target that everyone is after, the has no memory/past, also being strong in the force - showing up after Revan disappeared? It was not a large jump if logic. But deductions may vary.

6 hours ago, Yodhrin said:

and I do find it a bit [sheev]ironic[/sheev] that you find it so irksome in the games but are apparently willing to overlook an arguably even less creative and ambitious design language in the Sequels

The difference is, to me, that the First Order aesthetic and design principles are meant to directly influenced by what we see out of the Empire - they were the empire, after all, so they built on that. They likely took plans to TIEs and other tech so it makes sense it would look nearly identical.

Kotor and Tor however, just made stuff look similar/sound similar because they needed it to be star wars. They just decided to take every aspect of star wars and rename it like kolto is totally not bacta. While the tech progression is slow in star wars, it was ridiculous to see how stagnant those eras made it as NOTHING changed design wise in 10000 years, which makes it more logically egregious than things looking the same after 30 years.

On 12/21/2019 at 7:32 AM, That Blasted Samophlange said:

My only hope is that Disney will rewrite that horrible travesty that is kotor.

I actually agree with this. I enjoyed KotOR, and I even still play SWtOR, but they could do a lot better.

I don't even think there's anything directly wrong with the characters or plot other than being a little cliche, but I HATE the way a lot of them were received. Revan in particular.

There's a throng of "Grey Jedi" fanatics out there spewing homemade "Grey jedi" codes each more cringeworthy than the last.


I'd love a Tales of the Jedi trilogy. There's so much they could cover in those movies. Hyperspace exploration, the early days of the Jedi using protosabers, the Sith, the first and second great schisms....

I'll be interested to see how disney feels about restoring characters from the pre Skywalker era content.

On 12/23/2019 at 5:16 AM, Darth Sanguis said:

I actually agree with this. I enjoyed KotOR, and I even still play SWtOR, but they could do a lot better.

I don't even think there's anything directly wrong with the characters or plot other than being a little cliche, but I HATE the way a lot of them were received. Revan in particular.

There's a throng of "Grey Jedi" fanatics out there spewing homemade "Grey jedi" codes each more cringeworthy than the last.


I'd love a Tales of the Jedi trilogy. There's so much they could cover in those movies. Hyperspace exploration, the early days of the Jedi using protosabers, the Sith, the first and second great schisms....

I'll be interested to see how disney feels about restoring characters from the pre Skywalker era content.

Star Wars: Rebels already re-canonized the Scourge of Malachor, so theres hope for some form of the KOTOR era stuff.

I definitely got the impression from episode IX that they are laying the groundwork for old republic next. They are introducing enough things to create audience familiarity.

On 8/16/2019 at 5:59 AM, Asvaldir said:

Do we know what sort of role these troopers have?

On 8/16/2019 at 7:55 AM, Rogue Three said:

Try to sell more toys, most likely

I was right in the end 😂 the sith troopers had no significant role whatsoever