Brand new player, planning on buying 2 Cores, Rex and Droideka to start out. Completely new to list-building, please tell me if this would be a good beginner list and if there's improvements I could make with minimal additional purchases (I'm also playing CIS as my main faction). Also tips for tactics with this list are welcome, like how to position the snipers, how to maneuver with Kenobi and Rex, etc.

800/800
Obi-Wan Kenobi 200
Force Reflexes, Saber Throw,

Clone Captain Rex 106
Duck and Cover, Emergency Stims,

Phase I Clone Troopers 82
DC-15 Phase I Trooper,

Phase I Clone Troopers 82
DC-15 Phase I Trooper,

Phase I Clone Troopers 90
Z-6 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper,

Phase I Clone Troopers 90
Z-6 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper,

BARC Speeder 75

BARC Speeder 75

Commands:
Hello There!, Ambush, Push, Knowledge and Defense, General Kenobi, Were Not Programmed, Standing Orders,

Do not buy an extra Droideka unit. It is incredibly unlikely that you will use three droideka units in the long term, and as a nice "try before you buy," you can use ball droids as proxy models. (The box set comes with wheel mode tokens, so you can use those instead of swapping out regular models for the wheel mode)

Looks like I made a mistake and the Rex pack isn't going to be available at the same time as the Core so I'll have to do without. Here's the new list with a 5th phase I corps instead of Rex.

800/800
Obi-Wan Kenobi 175
Force Reflexes, Saber Throw, Duck and Cover,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52
DC-15 Phase I Trooper, Grappling Hooks,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52
DC-15 Phase I Trooper, Grappling Hooks,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52
Z-6 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper, Recon Intel,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52
Z-6 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper, Recon Intel,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52

BARC Speeder 75
BARC Twin Laser Gunner,

BARC Speeder 75
BARC Twin Laser Gunner,

Commands:
Ambush, Hello There!, Push, Knowledge and Defense, Assault, General Kenobi, Standing Orders

4 hours ago, Mokoshkana said:

Do not buy an extra Droideka unit. It is incredibly unlikely that you will use three droideka units in the long term, and as a nice "try before you buy," you can use ball droids as proxy models. (The box set comes with wheel mode tokens, so you can use those instead of swapping out regular models for the wheel mode)

Any particular reason why you'd say that? They're my favorite unit in the faction and they're super fun in the couple of solo games I've played on TTS to teach myself the game, so I'm curious what info/evaluation you're working with?

3 hours ago, Tvboy said:

Looks like I made a mistake and the Rex pack isn't going to be available at the same time as the Core so I'll have to do without. Here's the new list with a 5th phase I corps instead of Rex.

800/800
Obi-Wan Kenobi 175
Force Reflexes, Saber Throw, Duck and Cover,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52
DC-15 Phase I Trooper, Grappling Hooks,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52
DC-15 Phase I Trooper, Grappling Hooks,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52
Z-6 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper, Recon Intel,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52
Z-6 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper, Recon Intel,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52

BARC Speeder 75
BARC Twin Laser Gunner,

BARC Speeder 75
BARC Twin Laser Gunner,

Commands:
Ambush, Hello There!, Push, Knowledge and Defense, Assault, General Kenobi, Standing Orders

Any particular reason why you'd say that? They're my favorite unit in the faction and they're super fun in the couple of solo games I've played on TTS to teach myself the game, so I'm curious what info/evaluation you're working with?

He’s probably thinking about more stuff being added down the line, and spending the points somewhere else. If you like em, running a list with triple Droidekas is totally valid!

I say not to buy three droideka for the reason stated above. Within a few months, you won't be running three because there will be other options available to build your lists. I would advise against buying a fifth unit of phase 1 troops as well. Use the extra guy from the four squads in box sets to proxy a squad complete with heavy weapon. You'll be able to get 800 points with ease.

Ultimately it's your money and your decision. I'm merely trying to point out that more stuff is coming, which may make the initial stuff obsolete down the line in a sense, unless you're gearing up for Grand Alliance army builds, in which case, carpe diem!

I'd trim the extra trooper out and use the points to give Obi-Wan some combination Endurance, Tenacity, Hunter, Force Guidance, Aggressive Tactics, and/or Improvised Order. Hope should enter into your consideration, as the Republic doesn't have much in the way of suppression mitigation, and it'll come in handy. If you can free up enough points to put a sidecar on the BARCs, even better.

As for a third Droideka, it might not be the most meta decision in the long run, but it's not a terrible idea. You'll get a copy of Linked Targeting Array, which will likely help, and it's not like you'll have to immediately worry about other CW releases spoiling your fun; no other support units will likely be out for the next five months after that at least, so you should be fine.

4 hours ago, Mokoshkana said:

I say not to buy three droideka for the reason stated above. Within a few months, you won't be running three because there will be other options available to build your lists. I would advise against buying a fifth unit of phase 1 troops as well. Use the extra guy from the four squads in box sets to proxy a squad complete with heavy weapon. You'll be able to get 800 points with ease.

Ultimately it's your money and your decision. I'm merely trying to point out that more stuff is coming, which may make the initial stuff obsolete down the line in a sense, unless you're gearing up for Grand Alliance army builds, in which case, carpe diem!

Also, if you plan on purchasing the Core 1 expansion, you will receive an extra Phase 1 card + a corps activation token. You won't even need to proxy the card!

Thanks everybody, after looking at these comments and the list and having listened to a couple of podcasts about the Republic I realized some things. 1. Kenobi can't use Saber Throw with Charge, so that's out. 2. Clone Troopers are basically immune to Panic as long as they have an order token thanks to Fire Support and 3. Kenobi is really the only figure I need to worry about suppression because he's the most likely to get shot at because of Guardian. So I added Esteemed Leader so Kenobi and the Clones can protect each other and give my opponent difficult choices, Force Guidance to make up for the loss of Aggressive Tactics, and Endurance to help mitigate suppression on Kenobi. I added HQ uplinks to the BARCS so that Kenobi can focus on giving out orders to the Z-6 troopers, and added Smoke Grenades to one of the Z-6s to make it easier for them to get into a good position to provide Fire Support for either the BARCs or the DC-15 snipers. And I got to cut a CORPs unit so I won't have to buy any extra expansions for Republic. Not sure if Aggressive Tactics isn't still the right call but I really like the synergy between Soresu and Esteemed Leader.

800/800

Obi-Wan Kenobi 211
Force Reflexes, Force Guidance, Esteemed Leader, Endurance,

Phase I Clone Troopers 98
DC-15 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper, Grappling Hooks,

Phase I Clone Troopers 98
DC-15 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper, Grappling Hooks,

Phase I Clone Troopers 96
Z-6 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper, Smoke Grenades,

Phase I Clone Troopers 90
Z-6 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper,

BARC Speeder 103
BARC Twin Laser Gunner, HQ Uplink,

BARC Speeder 103
BARC Twin Laser Gunner, HQ Uplink,

Commands:
Ambush, Hello There!, Push, Knowledge and Defense, Assault, General Kenobi, Standing Orders,

45 minutes ago, Tvboy said:

Thanks everybody, after looking at these comments and the list and having listened to a couple of podcasts about the Republic I realized some things. 1. Kenobi can't use Saber Throw with Charge, so that's out. 2. Clone Troopers are basically immune to Panic as long as they have an order token thanks to Fire Support and 3. Kenobi is really the only figure I need to worry about suppression because he's the most likely to get shot at because of Guardian. So I added Esteemed Leader so Kenobi and the Clones can protect each other and give my opponent difficult choices, Force Guidance to make up for the loss of Aggressive Tactics, and Endurance to help mitigate suppression on Kenobi. I added HQ uplinks to the BARCS so that Kenobi can focus on giving out orders to the Z-6 troopers, and added Smoke Grenades to one of the Z-6s to make it easier for them to get into a good position to provide Fire Support for either the BARCs or the DC-15 snipers. And I got to cut a CORPs unit so I won't have to buy any extra expansions for Republic. Not sure if Aggressive Tactics isn't still the right call but I really like the synergy between Soresu and Esteemed Leader.

800/800

Obi-Wan Kenobi 211
Force Reflexes, Force Guidance, Esteemed Leader, Endurance,

Phase I Clone Troopers 98
DC-15 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper, Grappling Hooks,

Phase I Clone Troopers 98
DC-15 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper, Grappling Hooks,

Phase I Clone Troopers 96
Z-6 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper, Smoke Grenades,

Phase I Clone Troopers 90
Z-6 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper,

BARC Speeder 103
BARC Twin Laser Gunner, HQ Uplink,

BARC Speeder 103
BARC Twin Laser Gunner, HQ Uplink,

Commands:
Ambush, Hello There!, Push, Knowledge and Defense, Assault, General Kenobi, Standing Orders,

I don't believe a unit with guardian can protect another unit with guardian.

4 hours ago, R3dReVenge said:

I don't believe a unit with guardian can protect another unit with guardian.

Wow you're right, wish they would write that on the cards (it's not even on the royal guard card) instead of burying it in the RRG. Glad I learned that here instead in the middle of a game. I guess I would swap Guidance and Esteemed for Mind Trick and Aggressive Tactics. Would it be worth it to drop smoke grenades to upgrade to Saber Throw or Force Push?

You want the 5 core units if possible people telling you not to are setting you up for failure as clones already have very limited personal due to point cost, try something similar to this

3 hours ago, TheHoosh said:

You want the 5 core units if possible people telling you not to are setting you up for failure as clones already have very limited personal due to point cost, try something similar to this

Setting him up for failure is telling him to buy a fifth unit of something that he likely won't use in two months.

12 hours ago, Tvboy said:

Wow you're right, wish they would write that on the cards (it's not even on the royal guard card) instead of burying it in the RRG. Glad I learned that here instead in the middle of a game. I guess I would swap Guidance and Esteemed for Mind Trick and Aggressive Tactics. Would it be worth it to drop smoke grenades to upgrade to Saber Throw or Force Push?

He’s already got a million keywords don’t want to make that card even busier.

10 hours ago, Mokoshkana said:

Setting him up for failure is telling him to buy a fifth unit of something that he likely won't use in two months.

Nothing new will be out for the Republic in two months, so I very much doubt it will be a problem. It'll be January at the earliest, and even then that's pushing it. Saying that buying an extra unit of Clones is a bad idea is kinda stupid, honestly, as the original core unit troopers are still solid in every meta list I've seen, and there's no reason to believe that these won't be the same.

When is the clone troopers upgrade pack expected? Won't that would allow for the creation of a fifth corps unit?

1 hour ago, Alpha17 said:

Nothing new will be out for the Republic in two months, so I very much doubt it will be a problem. It'll be January at the earliest, and even then that's pushing it. Saying that buying an extra unit of Clones is a bad idea is kinda stupid, honestly, as the original core unit troopers are still solid in every meta list I've seen, and there's no reason to believe that these won't be the same.

Never said they weren't or wouldn't be good. Do you have data in the last six months of tournament winning lists with five of the same exact corps choice?

I'm merely trying to point out that the future is coming, and when it does, a fifth or sixth copy of a corps choice is likely going to go to waste sitting on a shelf. By all means, one can spend money and time as one sees fit. Stupidity is thinking that time and money are both infinite.

52 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:

Never said they weren't or wouldn't be good. Do you have data in the last six months of tournament winning lists with five of the same exact corps choice?

I'm merely trying to point out that the future is coming, and when it does, a fifth or sixth copy of a corps choice is likely going to go to waste sitting on a shelf. By all means, one can spend money and time as one sees fit. Stupidity is thinking that time and money are both infinite.

If he is playing casual he can use the extra troops for the core sets to make the 5th unit until phase 2 comes out. I am merely trying to help his list since Clones already have fewer units and activations due to point cost. I agree save your money instead of buying another core unit

1 hour ago, Mokoshkana said:

Never said they weren't or wouldn't be good. Do you have data in the last six months of tournament winning lists with five of the same exact corps choice?

I'm merely trying to point out that the future is coming, and when it does, a fifth or sixth copy of a corps choice is likely going to go to waste sitting on a shelf. By all means, one can spend money and time as one sees fit. Stupidity is thinking that time and money are both infinite.

I do

https://legiontournamentcircuit.com/tournament-data/

He’s not wrong. Clones will likely want that fifth corps. Plus, buying a single clone P1 expansion will get him smoke grenades!

Your link results in no data...

45 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:

Your link results in no data...

Check it on a desktop, the mobile version has been acting up

You could also check out the Worlds lists:

https://thefifthtrooper.com/worlds-2019-the-lists/

Invader League Season 3.

http://www.invaderleague.com/league/season-3/season-3-single-elimination-lists

High Command Top 8

https://thefifthtrooper.com/adepticon-high-command-top-8-lists/

I was on a desktop. I found this link in organized play forum: https://legiontournamentcircuit.com/tournament-data/?fbclid=IwAR2jekaekJHbMEFasNxVg3oe3bwTOSeMFynp8ZQ2IzXbFUaKfJbMlCxgS3M

I created an excel spreadsheet and was surprised to see of the 48 results, 22 consisted of a list with five of the same corps selection. Even with that, I still don't think five units of Phase I is going to be good once Phase II comes out given the upgrades for eight points (Training Slot, Reliable ability, Courage value of two).

2 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:

I was on a desktop. I found this link in organized play forum: https://legiontournamentcircuit.com/tournament-data/?fbclid=IwAR2jekaekJHbMEFasNxVg3oe3bwTOSeMFynp8ZQ2IzXbFUaKfJbMlCxgS3M

I created an excel spreadsheet and was surprised to see of the 48 results, 22 consisted of a list with five of the same corps selection. Even with that, I still don't think five units of Phase I is going to be good once Phase II comes out given the upgrades for eight points (Training Slot, Reliable ability, Courage value of two).

Yeah the table has been doing some odd stuff - glad you found it.

I think that’s one of those things that will come down to player preference. I often run between 4-5 storm trooper squads, and have recently ran a list with 6. It’s nice to have the option, which I think is the whole crux of this discussion. You never know what combo is going to work down the road.

1 minute ago, TalkPolite said:

Yeah the table has been doing some odd stuff - glad you found it. 

I think that’s one of those things that will come down to player preference. I often run between 4-5 storm trooper squads, and have recently ran a list with 6. It’s nice to have the option, which I think is the whole crux of this discussion. You never know what combo is going to work down the road.      

Absolutely. I am merely attempting to point out that initially, one can use the core set to proxy a fifth without spending the money, and once the upgrade packs come out, two of those can be used to better proxy a fifth/sixth squad.

Glad to see some data and discussion about corps unit selection.

I am actually not a huge fan of the Phase II armor and prefer the Phase I aesthetic, partially because I was a huge fan of the 2003 Clone Wars show and because I think the pointy head swoosh on the helmet does a lot to differentiate the Phase Is from Imperial stormtroopers. So while I might pick up a pack of the Phase IIs for the cards, I'll mostly be putting Phase Is on the table. Also it's so hard to fit in enough units with how expensive the Phase Is are, It's only going to be harder with Phase IIs.

And I'm using the smoke grenades! Although I could drop it to upgrade a Z-6 to a 2nd DC-15, but I like the idea of having 3 Z-6s on the table to potentially provide fire support. Probably something I can experiment with, but I feel good about this as my list skeleton for now. I tried the suggestion of just using the 24 minis from 2 Core sets to field 5 corps units, but that leaves me 40 points short of 800, which to me feels like too many points to try to fill with upgrades instead of bodies.

Here's my current list:

1 hour ago, Tvboy said:

Glad to see some data and discussion about corps unit selection.

I am actually not a huge fan of the Phase II armor and prefer the Phase I aesthetic, partially because I was a huge fan of the 2003 Clone Wars show and because I think the pointy head swoosh on the helmet does a lot to differentiate the Phase Is from Imperial stormtroopers. So while I might pick up a pack of the Phase IIs for the cards, I'll mostly be putting Phase Is on the table. Also it's so hard to fit in enough units with how expensive the Phase Is are, It's only going to be harder with Phase IIs.

And I'm using the smoke grenades! Although I could drop it to upgrade a Z-6 to a 2nd DC-15, but I like the idea of having 3 Z-6s on the table to potentially provide fire support. Probably something I can experiment with, but I feel good about this as my list skeleton for now. I tried the suggestion of just using the 24 minis from 2 Core sets to field 5 corps units, but that leaves me 40 points short of 800, which to me feels like too many points to try to fill with upgrades instead of bodies.

Here's my current list:

800/800

Obi-Wa n Kenobi
Force Reflexes, Aggressive Tactics, Tenacity,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52
Z-6 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52
Z-6 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52
Z-6 Phase I Trooper, Phase I Clone Trooper,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52
DC-15 Phase I Trooper,

Phase I Clone Troopers 52
Smoke Grenades,

BARC Speeder 75
BARC Twin Laser Gunner,

BARC Speeder 75
BARC Twin Laser Gunner,

Commands:
Ambush, Hello There!, Push, Knowledge and Defense, Assault, General Kenobi, Standing Orders

Looks good. I ran a list similar to this the other day and had good results.