Hello all, I plan on jumping into Legion for the first time with the release of the Clone Wars Core set. I want to be able to play both Republic and CIS so I plan to buy 2 Core sets to start and then slowly build up a collection from there, starting with CIS. One benefit I realized that comes from this is that I will have 2 Grievous models which I can have in different poses, so I could have him in his hunched over caped pose in the early part of the game, and then swap him out for his un-caped 4-armed lightsaber pose once he gets into combat and starts swinging for a cool dramatic effect. However I realized this may create an advantage with the game's true LOS system, so was wondering if this is allowed in tournaments and/or frowned upon in casual games? I'll most likely just be playing casual games for the most part but would like to know just in case I do ever play in a tourney.

25 minutes ago, Tvboy said:

Hello all, I plan on jumping into Legion for the first time with the release of the Clone Wars Core set. I want to be able to play both Republic and CIS so I plan to buy 2 Core sets to start and then slowly build up a collection from there, starting with CIS. One benefit I realized that comes from this is that I will have 2 Grievous models which I can have in different poses, so I could have him in his hunched over caped pose in the early part of the game, and then swap him out for his un-caped 4-armed lightsaber pose once he gets into combat and starts swinging for a cool dramatic effect. However I realized this may create an advantage with the game's true LOS system, so was wondering if this is allowed in tournaments and/or frowned upon in casual games? I'll most likely just be playing casual games for the most part but would like to know just in case I do ever play in a tourney.

Tournament wise, that would depend.. you could always run it by your opponent, and if you don't equip his ranged weapon it becomes less of an issue.

As for a casual game.. I'd be all for it. Go ahead. Again, depends on the player.

As more miniature with customization are added to the game, it becomes less of an issue. Personally, I think they need to remove the true line of sight rule, and I suspect it will go away at some point.

It's a problem with true los and miniature wargames.

You can modify your units to an extent, but at the same time that will impact the game. The best example is Luke, his lightsaber can be seen over alot of cover that would cover troopers. What if you switch his arm poses?, Now you have improved his survivability.

Tournaments probably frowned upon. Casual?, Ask your opponent

I saw this a LOT in 40k. Outside of tournaments, 95% (made up percentage to mean most) players wont care. Although it is ALWAYS polite to ask beforehand. In a tourney... I wouldnt do it at all just to keep tongues from wagging and remain on the safe side but that would not stop you from bringing it along to show off.

Most players convert and do this for the reason here.... the rule of cool. But any time you talk about conversion, you need to consider that there will always be some (insert expletive here) who will do it for an in game advantage or who will deny you the use of it because it gives them an in game advantage. For example you have grievas converted to be posing on a rock making him taller for effect but since thats the only one you brought to the tourney, you cant use him having to pop in something else or go without). Even though the jerk is the rarity, you always need to factor in that you might be playing THAT guy and be prepared.

Yes, this view has gotten me banned from more than one forum but it remains my view. I'm always ok with it. In tournaments or out because while a model may give an advantage, it can also give the opponent one also. For example modeling grievas on a rock posed may give him a better LOS to enemies.... it make also gives them a better LOS to him so to me, it evens out. I would say just always keep the base size the same.

Personally I think it’d be really cool to do that if you had the multiple pose minis.

But I could see why some could abuse it or be worried about abusing it.

I guess I don’t worry about it much because I don’t play Legion at tournaments where any of that matters. I just play casual with folks I know and try to just have a fun and thematic game out of it. But I’d love to see different poses from the droids I fight with my clones - really like the Droideka ball mode models they include next to the standard ones.

True line of sight really requires some guidelines, or stuff like this happens.

40k takes the position that you need to see an actual body part to shoot something these days- Presumably because GW wanted more people to actually use the backpack banners.

Remember the eldar wraithlords posed kneeling or laying down to prevent them from being seen and shot at before they could make an assault?

or the rhinos converted to be super long so that when pivoted, they could gain like 6" on an assault? Examples like these are NOT the norm but you'll always find "that guy" who will do it.

3 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Tournament wise, that would depend.. you could always run it by your opponent, and if you don't equip his ranged weapon it becomes less of an issue.

As for a casual game.. I'd be all for it. Go ahead. Again, depends on the player.

As more miniature with customization are added to the game, it becomes less of an issue. Personally, I think they need to remove the true line of sight rule, and I suspect it will go away at some point.

Unlikely to change, as there’s a rule against significant modification of the minis, so modeling for advantage is a disqualifying act.

As to swapping out minis, as with many things, if your opponent is notified and doesn’t mind, go ahead.

If they mind, don’t do it/expect a judge to rule against you.

I do seem to recall that you get opened *and* closed poses of the droidekas out of the core set, unless I heard wrong, which would mean they're setting precedent in the box.

• One unit of two Droidekas is ready to speed into battle in wheel mode. Once there, the wheel mode miniatures can be replaced by two Droideka miniatures ready to lay down heavy fire on targets the B1 Battle Droids cannot take care of.

7 minutes ago, GreatMazinkaiser said:

I do seem to recall that you get opened *and* closed poses of the droidekas out of the core set, unless I heard wrong, which would mean they're setting precedent in the box.

• One unit of two Droidekas is ready to speed into battle in wheel mode. Once there, the wheel mode miniatures can be replaced by two Droideka miniatures ready to lay down heavy fire on targets the B1 Battle Droids cannot take care of.

they should be swapped in and out though as the correct state has implications for the unit that turn (ie ball mode can't flip shields)

The only problem I see is if you try to swap out the minis in a way that advantages you, IE, you try to use the more exposed version to gain a line of sight on certain units, while using the compact version when you don't want to be seen. If you only introduce the open arm version when you go into melee combat, I don't see it as a huge problem.

Infinity had the right idea going giving all units a silhouette value and making that silhouette be the targetable area - you can now do all the modelling you want and want have any advantage/disadvantage to someone else. Removes all modelling arguments and the stupidity of targeting Luke's lightsaber to hit the model (which we don't allow locally anyway)

I remember way back in 3rd edition 40k someone had a chaos army that was themed around Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Units included bikers which were a chaos marine leading a servant clapping two coconut shells together and a Greater Daemon of khorne...which was a pile of bloody bones with a little white rabbit on top. He always brought the right models in case the opponent had issues as well, but that one army convinced me back then that some things are just too cool to have an issue playing against, especially if the opponent has the skills to pull it off well.