Since we have the battlefield Expansions such as Priority Supplies, Downed AT-ST and the coming soon Escape Pod and Imperial Bunker, what do you think of these expansions?

Each one comes with Battlefield Cards (Objective, Deployment & Condition) and one comes with a unit, but should they?

When the Downed AT-ST came out, a lot of people said it was a hard pass for them and I thought maybe that was shortsighted, but now that we’re getting more expansions like that, I find myself agreeing with those people. I commend FFG for coming out with tabletop terrain for Legion, but I think it should be sold as that specifically. If you want the terrain, you’ll purchase it. The battlefield cards, imho, should be sold separately in a large pack. If you have the terrain made by FFG that goes with the Battlefield cards, then bully for you, but you could use any stand in terrain, and if there is a battlefield card that is competitive, you only need to purchase a less expensive card pack. FFG has claimed that they are making it so you don’t have to purchase expansions from a different faction to get the cards you need for your faction, but why do we have to purchase some terrain to get R2 and 3PO? FFG whole policy for cross faction stuff and not needing to purchase something you may not want, doesn’t seem to apply for terrain. What if, I’m on a budget, but I want to remain competitive, so I purchase units (as needed), but if I need a Battlefield Card, I need to purchase an $80 piece of terrain I can’t afford. Again, I’m not saying they should stop making terrain. I hope they keep making it. I just think they should separate the terrain, Battlefield Cards, and units, so they are all sold separately. The Battlefield Cards should be sold in a Battlefield expansion pack that comes with many different cards. The terrain should come by itself and be priced accordingly. The units... well you get the idea.

Just my take. What do you think about these types of expansions? Should FFG change how they make these?

I think they are great and I want more. Saarlac pit. Gimme. Ewok village. Gimme. Jabba's freaking palace. Gimme. It reminds me of the old playsets they used to make for action figures. As long as they are not tournament legal, i don't see why anyone could have a problem with them.

2 minutes ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

I think they are great and I want more. Saarlac pit. Gimme. Ewok village. Gimme. Jabba's freaking palace. Gimme. It reminds me of the old playsets they used to make for action figures. As long as they are not tournament legal, i don't see why anyone could have a problem with them.

I don’t see a problem with making them tournament legal, in most cases.

23 minutes ago, JediPartisan said:

Since we have the battlefield Expansions such as Priority Supplies, Downed AT-ST and the coming soon Escape Pod and Imperial Bunker, what do you think of these expansions?

Each one comes with Battlefield Cards (Objective, Deployment & Condition) and one comes with a unit, but should they?

When the Downed AT-ST came out, a lot of people said it was a hard pass for them and I thought maybe that was shortsighted, but now that we’re getting more expansions like that, I find myself agreeing with those people. I commend FFG for coming out with tabletop terrain for Legion, but I think it should be sold as that specifically. If you want the terrain, you’ll purchase it. The battlefield cards, imho, should be sold separately in a large pack. If you have the terrain made by FFG that goes with the Battlefield cards, then bully for you, but you could use any stand in terrain, and if there is a battlefield card that is competitive, you only need to purchase a less expensive card pack. FFG has claimed that they are making it so you don’t have to purchase expansions from a different faction to get the cards you need for your faction, but why do we have to purchase some terrain to get R2 and 3PO? FFG whole policy for cross faction stuff and not needing to purchase something you may not want, doesn’t seem to apply for terrain. What if, I’m on a budget, but I want to remain competitive, so I purchase units (as needed), but if I need a Battlefield Card, I need to purchase an $80 piece of terrain I can’t afford. Again, I’m not saying they should stop making terrain. I hope they keep making it. I just think they should separate the terrain, Battlefield Cards, and units, so they are all sold separately. The Battlefield Cards should be sold in a Battlefield expansion pack that comes with many different cards. The terrain should come by itself and be priced accordingly. The units... well you get the idea.

Just my take. What do you think about these types of expansions? Should FFG change how they make these?

The cards for the AT-ST are marked as scenario only. That being said, coming with scenario cards is better than not.

And having minis opens the door For scenario expansions that contain minis but not terrain.

So, I think Priority Supplies was good - it had universally applicable but not necessarily "required" battle cards, and gave you some markers for them which are interesting, and also can just be used as terrain. They were very obviously a pilot. The Downed AT-ST I think was a lot more situational, because it was more niche. The battle cards were only for the scenario play (which isn't for most tournaments and kind of sidelines some other rules and the like) and the terrain was a bit expensive for basically looking like a cut-up AT-ST glued to the floor. This was probably an experiment because they knew people did want slightly more narrative stuff in wider distribution, so they came up with the pack and a decent terrain piece (since obviously their modelling department does do some of that for presentations and things).

The two upcoming are more future experiments. The Escape Pod packages units, which are available to two factions. Considering they aren't particularly martial, perhaps they figured trying to sell R2-D2 and C-3PO at normal operative prices would be hard, or that they'd have to kind of weird up the release schedule by making the same pack twice - instead the result is a pack which contains units you can use in normal play, or probably in specific scenarios to the piece (plus maybe support for all four factions - the AT-ST is obviously GCW only). Given that Secret Mission doesn't apply in scenario play, the Escape Pod probably comes with scenario cards, and thus the battlefield cards are not for competitive play. Or maybe it comes with both! But I think it's trying to improve on the downed AT-ST by offering more to different players for the price point.

The bunker is a bit of a question mark. It's a very nice piece of terrain, but expensive. Will it be like the AT-ST and be purely scenario play? That might be a bit of a turn off - but if it's also got regular battle cards, that does seem a bit like a gouge too? We'll have to wait for more news - but people wanted FFG to release more terrain.

Also gonna second a sarlacc pit, THAT is a good use of Scenario play right there. Or maybe just terrain specific conditions - any trooper unit within R1 of the Pit must roll a defense die, convert surges and if they get a blank, they lose one non-leader mini to a grizzly fate.

55 minutes ago, Derrault said:

I don’t see a problem with making them tournament legal, in most cases.

The cards for the AT-ST are marked as scenario only. That being said, coming with scenario cards is better than not.

And having minis opens the door For scenario expansions that contain minis but not terrain.

39 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:

So, I think Priority Supplies was good - it had universally applicable but not necessarily "required" battle cards, and gave you some markers for them which are interesting, and also can just be used as terrain. They were very obviously a pilot. The Downed AT-ST I think was a lot more situational, because it was more niche. The battle cards were only for the scenario play (which isn't for most tournaments and kind of sidelines some other rules and the like) and the terrain was a bit expensive for basically looking like a cut-up AT-ST glued to the floor. This was probably an experiment because they knew people did want slightly more narrative stuff in wider distribution, so they came up with the pack and a decent terrain piece (since obviously their modelling department does do some of that for presentations and things).

The two upcoming are more future experiments. The Escape Pod packages units, which are available to two factions. Considering they aren't particularly martial, perhaps they figured trying to sell R2-D2 and C-3PO at normal operative prices would be hard, or that they'd have to kind of weird up the release schedule by making the same pack twice - instead the result is a pack which contains units you can use in normal play, or probably in specific scenarios to the piece (plus maybe support for all four factions - the AT-ST is obviously GCW only). Given that Secret Mission doesn't apply in scenario play, the Escape Pod probably comes with scenario cards, and thus the battlefield cards are not for competitive play. Or maybe it comes with both! But I think it's trying to improve on the downed AT-ST by offering more to different players for the price point.

The bunker is a bit of a question mark. It's a very nice piece of terrain, but expensive. Will it be like the AT-ST and be purely scenario play? That might be a bit of a turn off - but if it's also got regular battle cards, that does seem a bit like a gouge too? We'll have to wait for more news - but people wanted FFG to release more terrain.

Also gonna second a sarlacc pit, THAT is a good use of Scenario play right there. Or maybe just terrain specific conditions - any trooper unit within R1 of the Pit must roll a defense die, convert surges and if they get a blank, they lose one non-leader mini to a grizzly fate.

What do you guys think about the Escape Pod and the included Rebel/Republic unit then, especially if you’re an Empire/CIS player?

Oh and I’m totally onboard for the sarlaac pit.😁🥰

Edit: I tried to include your quote too @devin.pike.1989, but for some reason this thing didn’t include it.😏🙄

3 minutes ago, JediPartisan said:

What do you guys think about the Escape Pod and the included Rebel/Republic unit then, especially if you’re an Empire/CIS player?

Oh and I’m totally onboard for the sarlaac pit.😁🥰

I’m buying all the factions, so I’m stoked by the idea of having the droid duo

Just now, Derrault said:

I’m buying all the factions, so I’m stoked by the idea of having the droid duo

Fair enough. I just think it really flies in the face of FFG’s supposed policy regarding cross faction purchasing and makes them seam very disingenuous.

6 minutes ago, JediPartisan said:

Fair enough. I just think it really flies in the face of FFG’s supposed policy regarding cross faction purchasing and makes them seam very disingenuous.

I mean, the escape pod is only associated with those two characters, so it’s pretty much a Rebel expansion anyway, no?

I mean, only one player needs to own the kit for scenario play, so like, if both me and my scenario play friend buy it, then we have more minis than we "need" anyway - so why would I buy it if I was truly Empire only? Or, perhaps you collect two armies so you have a second one to play with friends and family, in which case it's not a "bad" buy anyway. The majority of the plastic is the terrain, the units are more like, some extra cards and what not. It's still 10 bucks cheaper than the downed AT-ST, so I don't think it's like, gouging or anything. They could always do a scenario card pack later.

7 minutes ago, Derrault said:

I’m buying all the factions, so I’m stoked by the idea of having the droid duo

Same here; the escape pod looks great.

I'm still trying to decide on the downed AT-ST. It looks cool, and I like narrative scenarios, but the cost, as always, is where it gets tricky.

The bunker is where it gets complicated for me, and probably for a lot of other players.

The piece by ffg looks cool, but is expensive and needs a lot of time spent painting. I already have an Imperial bunker-type terrain piece from a third-party terrain manufacturer that also looks cool, doesn't cost as much, and basically comes pre-painted (and also the roof opens up, just like I've heard the ffg one does). The only thing I'd be missing is the scenario cards, and I'm not sure that I can justify spending $100+ on that. I'd imagine there are a few other players who've been able to construct their own Imperial Bunkers from third party sources, so they'd be in a similar boat.

3 minutes ago, Derrault said:

I mean, the escape pod is only associated with those two characters, so it’s pretty much a Rebel expansion anyway, no?

Not really. I can see an Imperial player wanting that terrain. It’s a cool sculpt and iconically Star Was and the Empire has escape pods too (afaik they’re pretty much the same) and even if that escape pod is specific to rebel ships, the Empire does shoot down a lot of them😁.

Edit: wrong thread.

Fcenario cards are not really suited to the pre-built tables of a tournament (Unless the tournament mandates you play the scenario, in which case they're either providing the expansions or planning to borrow from the community in advance). So I see no reason why you can't just use images from the wiki if you want to play the scenarios with your own terrain.

As for C-3P0 and R2-D2 being in the Downed Escape Pod... Meh. It's kind of annoying, but I imagine FFG wanted to include the mandatory models for the expansions' scenarios in the expansion. An Imperial player who buys the expansion can provide the droids to their opponent when they play the scenario. You could also paint them up as generic droids and use them for your own custom scenarios, or just as additional decoration. Perhaps you could scatter 3P0's parts around your terrain, and build a scenario around the rebels recovering them? Or maybe the droids are just trying to look inconspicuous behind one of the Moisture Vaporators. Or just sell them to a Rebel/Republic player who doesn't collect terrain. Frankly, they're the ones who should be annoyed.

Priority Supplies was a great expansion. Cool terrain and optional battlefield cards to mix things up.

I like both the ATST and escape pod concepts with a scenario attached to the terrain piece. This also makes them optional to competitive players - you don’t have to buy them if you don’t want to.

The ATST looks cool, but I have a wrecked tie fighter terrain piece already. I could easily just download the images of the battle cards and proceed from there. I haven’t decided if i want to pay the premium for the model or not.

The escape pod? Now that one looks like I will be buying. I want the minis, and I want the story that goes with it. Feels like a better buy than the downed ATST for sure.

The bunker? That’s a much harder sell for me. Looks neat and all, but very very expensive for what it is.

I'm not sure that selling Artoo and Seethreepio with a piece of terrain is actually a good move from FFG I suspect the included scenario cards will be narrative and Rebel vs imperial only, the droids being able to bought in bundle forces people to buy terrain. The bunker is expensive buying 2 is nearly the same cost of a reasonable quality kit build 3D printer which when combined with Thingiverse will give you a huge amount of terrain.

The priority supplies expansion was fine, and I liked it for what it was. The price point also wasn't a huge problem. The AT-ST down, while expensive, was also good. It presented a well sculpted model with interesting scenarios. I wish the scenarios were tournament legal, or that it had a included a single act version of the scenarios that was legal for tournaments, but oh well.

The next two terrain pieces, however, are hard, hard passes for me. I could care less about the droids, and my local store has two escape pod terrain pieces made out of old water filters that looks just about as good. The Bunker looks cool, but considering how over priced it is compared to third party offerings, it simply isn't worth it to me. Only possible exception is if they have some awesome, tournament legal cards, but even that is a long shot.

Priority Supplies enhanced the game - everything in that pack had potential to be used every game.

The downed At-st, and potentially the bunker, does not. If you are primarily a tourney player, or after you have played it (scenario) several times, it becomes a overpriced (admittedly, lovely) line of sight blocking terrain. The problem with expansions like this is they can be made, at lower quality, yes, for a fraction of the cost.

The droids and escape pod have a slightly higher value, as there are unite for two factions in the box, so even with a scenario that you play, there is at least more to use for at least half the factions (republic and rebels can field Artoo and Threepio). FFG has probably seen some sales data for the downed At-st, and possibly realized that any scenario pack, as pricy as it is, needs SOMETHING to make it a beneficial purchase to as many people as possible. Adding in characters is the best way, as well as a way to make a multi-faction release.

The problem I see with the bunker is that I can make effective buildings.

I really don’t feel like I can make effective crashed vehicles.

So that means no bunker for me. And it’s yet ANOTHER release for Endor to make the lack of Ewoks ever more jarring.

57 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

The problem I see with the bunker is that I can make effective buildings.

I really don’t feel like I can make effective crashed vehicles.

So that means no bunker for me. And it’s yet ANOTHER release for Endor to make the lack of Ewoks ever more jarring.

you say jarring, I say dodged another bullet >_< lol

13 minutes ago, Tirion said:

you say jarring, I say dodged another bullet >_< lol

Or a slingstone.

I think overall its a good move for ffg. It diversifies their product line and they can provide something that 3rd party terrain makers can't in the form of battle and scenario cards. I can't wait to see the next terrain pieces. I am rooting for a saarlacc pit. A set of basic desert houses might be nice too though.

3 hours ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

I am rooting for a saarlacc pit.

I had the minis boardgame as a kid. I have a soft spot for it despite some objective awfulness. FFG should do a Legion version.

3 hours ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

A set of basic desert houses might be nice too though.

Renedra sells a great North African house! There’s so much competition they should probably stick with crashed technology.

I think packaging the droids with the escape pods fine. And an Imperial can use them as a spare astromech/medbot personnel upgrade.

Well, FFG has access to Lucasfilm resources - they can get a picture perfect replica of actual props from the Lucasfilms archive, and on shelves they can get that official brand recognition. They're getting a lot of SW fans into the hobby with legion, having official stuff probably won't hurt them.

The more exotic/iconic stuff definitely should be first though.

There are going to be both sides of the coin people might buy multiple escape pods the sell r2 c3po on ebay and people who dont want escape pod its kinda like the specialist packs you dont want the coms officer and repair droid in most cases but you need the comander and med bot there needs to be ways to sell product and its on the cheaper end, now the bunker may be a whole crazy debacle if it comes with competitive play cards in it.

8 minutes ago, Barbarickendar said:

kinda like the specialist packs you dont want the coms officer and repair droid in most cases 

why don't people want these? repair droids are all over the place for tanks and atrts. the comms tech is harder to find in a table but that is because people don't try to make it work. she adds a lot of flexibility to single Commander armies for just a couple points, she gives you more activation flexibility by being able to pass of core commands to other unit types and that is just all with the comms relay, plenty of uses for no more than 4 points. even better on squads like vets or shoretroopers. on a shoretrooper and giving him comms relay he is a 1 point upgrade for a lot of flexibility.

all in all I'm super confused why no one thinks it's a worth while addition to a squad. the more expensive the squad the more worth it they become.