Disagree, Alien would not be nearly as good without the Sci-Fi elements. There are plenty of horror movies that follow the same plot.

I mean, Return of the Jedi, Minority Report, and Raiders of the Lost Ark are all Fantasy adventures, not sci-fi horror; so I’d agree with that. They have more in common with Legend or Krull than they do with Alien.

I feel like genre might be the wrong thing to examine if we're still talking about the notion of fatigue. genre is a very general thing made to categorize broad ideas, and because of that your average movie can fit into numerous different genres with ease. The idea of super hero fatigue I think stems from over saturation of a few shared tropes, themes, and motifs. that over saturation reduces audience interest over time, even if the products being produced are of exceptional quality. Hello Dolly, for example, famously killed musicals as it was this massive financial gamble at a time when musicals had been everywhere. people were tired of seeing them so this particular tent pole film collapsed and studios realized it was time to move on to the next big thing. that doesn't mean there weren't any more musicals but they became more niche and far less common. Superhero fatigue is a similar idea.

we now have animated movies, along with the live action films, coming from numerous studios and comic universes. there are TV shows ranging from your standard children's fair to serious dramas all set in the backdrop of comic book supers. games of just about any kind all bearing these licences as well. it's kinda like a bubble that people are speculating has to burst eventually. Marvel keeps it from bursting for themselves by doing different kinds of super movies, essentially throwing different scenarios at the heroes to keep things fresh and mixing up as many of the genres as they can. it's a good idea, but eventually the deluge of super hero films will have to slow. maybe the MCU will keep going strong indefinitely but it's doubtful that they will be able to do so without continuing to change, and without at some point slowing down the number of releases. this is all speculation of course, but it happened to westerns, war movies, monster movies, and many many more. One minute they were everywhere and the next, they were few and far between.

On 10/22/2019 at 1:50 PM, phillos said:

I'd be over the moon if they could give us some Kirby or Buscema art for promos.

The only problem with that is the difference in style between those and the rest of the cards would be pretty jarring.

3 hours ago, Hippie Moosen said:

I feel like genre might be the wrong thing to examine if we're still talking about the notion of fatigue. genre is a very general thing made to categorize broad ideas, and because of that your average movie can fit into numerous different genres with ease. The idea of super hero fatigue I think stems from over saturation of a few shared tropes, themes, and motifs. that over saturation reduces audience interest over time, even if the products being produced are of exceptional quality. Hello Dolly, for example, famously killed musicals as it was this massive financial gamble at a time when musicals had been everywhere. people were tired of seeing them so this particular tent pole film collapsed and studios realized it was time to move on to the next big thing. that doesn't mean there weren't any more musicals but they became more niche and far less common. Superhero fatigue is a similar idea.

we now have animated movies, along with the live action films, coming from numerous studios and comic universes. there are TV shows ranging from your standard children's fair to serious dramas all set in the backdrop of comic book supers. games of just about any kind all bearing these licences as well. it's kinda like a bubble that people are speculating has to burst eventually. Marvel keeps it from bursting for themselves by doing different kinds of super movies, essentially throwing different scenarios at the heroes to keep things fresh and mixing up as many of the genres as they can. it's a good idea, but eventually the deluge of super hero films will have to slow. maybe the MCU will keep going strong indefinitely but it's doubtful that they will be able to do so without continuing to change, and without at some point slowing down the number of releases. this is all speculation of course, but it happened to westerns, war movies, monster movies, and many many more. One minute they were everywhere and the next, they were few and far between.

I was curious to know what genres benefited from the decline of Westerns (after all, it’s not like they just stopped making movies)

someone went and made a pretty neat graphic of film genre popularity (based on number of films released each year tagged to each genre)

https://nofilmschool.com/Film-Genre-Popularity-Infographic

Seems like as Westerns and Musicals declined, Horror, Thrillers, and Sci-Fi went up.

Now, interestingly most Marvel films get 3/4 tags: Action, Adventure, and Sci-Fi or Fantasy (with the occasional comedy tag thrown in)

I suppose it’s possible audiences could lose interest in those kind of mixes, but it just seems really really unlikely.

I am curious about the future of the MCU. Many of the characters that made the MCU are gone for one reason or another. They still have some A list characters left but I doubt most people will have heard of several of the new characters. Will people quickly grow board of what's left?

5 hours ago, TechnoGolem said:

I am curious about the future of the MCU. Many of the characters that made the MCU are gone for one reason or another. They still have some A list characters left but I doubt most people will have heard of several of the new characters. Will people quickly grow board of what's left?

Guardians has proven this doesn't matter. The MCU is self sustaining; if they can get you to care about a talking raccoon they can get you to care about any character if they are in a good movie.

Ultimately, the MCU is likely to keep being successful as long as Marvel keeps on managing it well. The announced Marvel projects all seem to fit into the scope of maintaining the MCU while avoiding 'superhero fatigue'; branching out into new genres and formats, not trying to escalate IW/Endgame (yet), focusing on different characters and giving them a chance to develop. Could it suddenly drop out from underneath them? Sure, it *could* happen. But I think it's unlikely at this stage.

3 hours ago, Abyss said:

Guardians has proven this doesn't matter. The MCU is self sustaining; if they can get you to care about a talking raccoon they can get you to care about any character if they are in a good movie.

Ultimately, the MCU is likely to keep being successful as long as Marvel keeps on managing it well. The announced Marvel projects all seem to fit into the scope of maintaining the MCU while avoiding 'superhero fatigue'; branching out into new genres and formats, not trying to escalate IW/Endgame (yet), focusing on different characters and giving them a chance to develop. Could it suddenly drop out from underneath them? Sure, it *could* happen. But I think it's unlikely at this stage.

Hit the nail on the head. Marvel has several advantages in its favor, not the least is which is a dedicated team for managing/casting, but also genuinely capable script writers.

You can have the best Director/Producer/EP/Actors in the world, but if your script isn’t good, your production is pretty well doomed.

On ‎10‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 10:33 PM, TechnoGolem said:

I am curious about the future of the MCU. Many of the characters that made the MCU are gone for one reason or another. They still have some A list characters left but I doubt most people will have heard of several of the new characters. Will people quickly grow board of what's left?

I honestly think it comes down to how many good movies there are versus bad ones. Iron Man was an amazing movie. Iron Man 3, not so much. But since the MCU has more good movies than bad it's good for now. I can see the popularity dropping if the quality of the movies dips. I think the "quality" of the characters has no baring on it. Like @Abyss said, how top tier were Guardians of the Galaxy? I had never read an issue of it in my life. But the movie won me over.

So I really don't see it as inevitable, superhero fatigue. But it is possible. Nothing seems to stay popular forever.

On 10/24/2019 at 8:33 PM, TechnoGolem said:

I am curious about the future of the MCU. Many of the characters that made the MCU are gone for one reason or another. They still have some A list characters left but I doubt most people will have heard of several of the new characters. Will people quickly grow board of what's left?

Considering the tentpoles of the MCU were the superheroes other movie studios said were unfilmable 12 years ago, I think that Marvel Studios can definitely do it again. Doctor Strange, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel definitely feel like they each have 2 more movies out of them, alongside any team-up films. And the X-Men gives the MCU a pantheon of recognized superheroes that could fuel superhero movies for twenty years.