So it's probably this , but am i the only one that wasnt hyped or excited with this game at all ?

maybe cause of the characters or gameplay wise, or probably cause of the other marvel card game, but having this game coming or not brings nothing for me..

i think they should have released this game a few years ago when marvel movies were going great .

Personally the theme does not speak to me so much, but well tastes and colors...

The mechanics however didn't made me rise an eyebrow. I never clicked with LOTR LCG due to it's core concept and effect: it's not really playing it's just building the right deck for the right scenario. AH LCG brought the campaign dimension with cards that "leveled up" and strict deckbuilding rules allowing you to have your deck evolve and increase in power during the length of the campaign. This made the the whole coop experience way better as you didn't had a one size fits all deck that was perfect to handle all the 8 scenarios of a campaign.

Now here the coop and AI mechanics are not so different from what has been seen in the past. Reminds me of LOTR, reminds me of Arkham, reminds me of Heroes of Terrinoth, reminds me of Aeon's End, reminds me of Legendary: Marvel... that's too many games that, even if all have their little differences, share too much mechanics in common to justify an added interest.

If you want to get your hand on your first coop card game, and you like Marvel, and you prefer the LCG idea to an in game deck building like Dominion, well, this one sound fun, but for any hobbyist with a average-sized games library, this is just redundant.

21 minutes ago, gmcc said:

So it's probably this , but am i the only one that wasnt hyped or excited with this game at all ?

maybe cause of the characters or gameplay wise, or probably cause of the other marvel card game, but having this game coming or not brings nothing for me..

i think they should have released this game a few years ago when marvel movies were going great .

Umm, Avengers Endgame is now the biggest grossing movie of all time. The movies still seem to have steam left in them. But if you are talking about a superhero fatigue I can understand that.

For me personally I like the theme fine. But I am even more excited to get in on the ground level of a cooperative LCG! I didn't get into LOTR until later. So it was hard to collect. And I don't like the Arkham theme. So this was is a instabuy for me.

Yeah I'd think right now is the height of Marvel movies considering for most people Endgame stuck the landing. I'm hyped.

The game looks fun and thematically it's very different from any other FFG LCG. Also it looks like they incorporated many refinements of the systems being used in their other co-op LCGs. Also it's much more casual friendly consider you only need 1 core set for a playset and each hero pack is a ready to play deck. All good tweaks on the LCG distribution model to help attract new and casual players.

I’m not a big Marvel fan, but I am hyped for this game. I’ve loved and still play Arkham and LotR and I can definitely see their lineage in this. But this looks like it will be easy to teach and bring new players in. I can definitely see holding an event the day the Cap America pack releases and just handing Cap to a new player and saying, “Let’s do this!”

Much like Keyforge I think this lowers the barriers to entry and will be wildly popular with folks who haven’t normally been interested in LCGs

8 hours ago, gmcc said:

So it's probably this , but am i the only one that wasnt hyped or excited with this game at all ?

maybe cause of the characters or gameplay wise, or probably cause of the other marvel card game, but having this game coming or not brings nothing for me..

i think they should have released this game a few years ago when marvel movies were going great .

You mean... right now , when they just broke the record for highest grossing theatrical release of all time?

As for being hyped/excited, a lot of that comes down to personal taste. If the game doesn't interest you, don't buy it. Personally, I think it looks like a ton of fun, and what I've seen has convinced me to preorder it.

I like how the game emphasizes the character behind the mask, and injects into the game the comicbook trope of a hero getting beaten, have a few scenes in the regular life, and get suited up again. I'm not entirely sure if I'll enjoy the gameplay. I can see I'll be doing stuff, but will that stuff be challenging or enjoyable? Not sure yet.

Personally, I like Legendary and dislike Sentinels, and this feels closer to Sentinels.

Yeah Marvel has really taken a hit in popularity recently. How much did that last avengers movie even make at the BO?

yeah i think placing equal emphasis on the alter ego and life outside the mask is a big selling point to distinguish this game from other super hero card games. It was a smart decision.

8 hours ago, phillos said:

yeah i think placing equal emphasis on the alter ego and life outside the mask is a big selling point to distinguish this game from other super hero card games. It was a smart decision.

A truly inspired decision and shows they "get" what makes the Marvel universe so compelling. Pete's obligations to his family, T'Challa's to his country are what make those characters so interesting - far beyond just their powersets.

I can't wait to see the kind of thematic depth they go into and how the story campaigns turn out.

On 8/2/2019 at 11:01 AM, gmcc said:

So it's probably this , but am i the only one that wasnt hyped or excited with this game at all ?

maybe cause of the characters or gameplay wise, or probably cause of the other marvel card game, but having this game coming or not brings nothing for me..

i think they should have released this game a few years ago when marvel movies were going great .

I think I get what you’re saying, assuming that by “going great,” you mean just a few years ago when it didn’t seem like everyone was trying to hop on the superhero band wagon to ride that wave. Yes, Endgame did spectacularly well for good reason, but there is definitely a large saturation of superhero content across a lot of different platforms right now, so it seems a little less special when something related to superheroes gets announced. Did I understand that well enough?

On 8/2/2019 at 12:27 PM, 4wallz said:

Umm, Avengers Endgame is now the biggest grossing movie of all time. The movies still seem to have steam left in them. But if you are talking about a superhero fatigue I can understand that.

For me personally I like the theme fine. But I am even more excited to get in on the ground level of a cooperative LCG! I didn't get into LOTR until later. So it was hard to collect. And I don't like the Arkham theme. So this was is a instabuy for me.

Yeah, this is it for me. Very fatigued on superheroes, but I didn't like Arkham enough to buy past the first cycle and got into Lord of the Rings late, so excited to get in here running, especially since it gives me something to spend my store credits on.

I think the theme is fine, obviously it's a valuable franchise.

I don't like the art that well, but that's just me. I grew up with artists such as Jack Kirby and John Buscema, so I tend to gravitate toward that style of art. The art on these cards does seem to fit the current style in comics, however.

I'd be over the moon if they could give us some Kirby or Buscema art for promos.

I'm moderately hyped. Enough that I'm looking to pre-order this game anyway. I'm not a massive marvel fan. Haven't read the comics in over a decade, but I've seen all the MCU movies along with a couple of Sony's Marvel movies, though mostly through rentals. This is a roundabout way of saying the theme is cool, but not a particularly big draw IMO.

Mainly I'm hyped because this'll be the first LCG I've ever followed , and it's with a theme I know enough about to understand what the devs are going for thematically. Co-op is always a plus, and getting in right at the beginning is appealing for the sake of just having less stuff to feel compelled to purchase on the day I join in.

If you aren't feeling the hype, that's cool. No one needs to like everything, and so many people are talking about the idea of super hero fatigue that it's only logical that seeing a supers card game now wouldn't have the same punch as it would have back when the first Avengers movie dropped. Personally that fatigue isn't an issue, but there are still tons of super hero movies that have been released in recent years, with a bunch more on the way, so it isn't like that's a weird feeling to have.

3 hours ago, Hippie Moosen said:

I'm moderately hyped. Enough that I'm looking to pre-order this game anyway. I'm not a massive marvel fan. Haven't read the comics in over a decade, but I've seen all the MCU movies along with a couple of Sony's Marvel movies, though mostly through rentals. This is a roundabout way of saying the theme is cool, but not a particularly big draw IMO.

Mainly I'm hyped because this'll be the first LCG I've ever followed , and it's with a theme I know enough about to understand what the devs are going for thematically. Co-op is always a plus, and getting in right at the beginning is appealing for the sake of just having less stuff to feel compelled to purchase on the day I join in.

If you aren't feeling the hype, that's cool. No one needs to like everything, and so many people are talking about the idea of super hero fatigue that it's only logical that seeing a supers card game now wouldn't have the same punch as it would have back when the first Avengers movie dropped. Personally that fatigue isn't an issue, but there are still tons of super hero movies that have been released in recent years, with a bunch more on the way, so it isn't like that's a weird feeling to have.

I’ve always regarded the phrase “superhero fatigue” as a tired dog whistle for: “I don’t actually like superhero stories, and want the people who make movies to make the [insert other genre here] type of movies that I really like”.

ie I perceive romance movie fatigue...and I solve that by not consuming romance story media. Those with this supposed fatigue would be best served to consume the media that actually suits their tastes instead of whining at the people who like the genre.

1 hour ago, Derrault said:

I’ve always regarded the phrase “superhero fatigue” as a tired dog whistle for: “I don’t actually like superhero stories, and want the people who make movies to make the [insert other genre here] type of movies that I really like”.

ie I perceive romance movie fatigue...and I solve that by not consuming romance story media. Those with this supposed fatigue would be best served to consume the media that actually suits their tastes instead of whining at the people who like the genre.

I'm not sure that's exactly a fair comparison. Superheroes are a very, very specific subset of storytelling. Romance on the other hand is a part of most lives at one point or another. Superhero fatigue happens because they are very specific and narrowly focused in scope, so it becomes hard to allow the movies room to be their own story.

Part of it is also a social issue. I barely watch movies at all, so I don't care about what movies are being made. But I'm constantly bombarded with talk about marvel movies around any corner, and being shamed for not having seen the Avengers movies.

23 minutes ago, Supertoe said:

I'm not sure that's exactly a fair comparison. Superheroes are a very, very specific subset of storytelling. Romance on the other hand is a part of most lives at one point or another. Superhero fatigue happens because they are very specific and narrowly focused in scope, so it becomes hard to allow the movies room to be their own story.

Part of it is also a social issue. I barely watch movies at all, so I don't care about what movies are being made. But I'm constantly bombarded with talk about marvel movies around any corner, and being shamed for not having seen the Avengers movies.

I don’t disagree that movies of a particular genre can (and frequently do) contain elements from the other genres. That doesn’t mean they aren’t unique genres with staple elements that make them, as you note, fairly specific subsets of storytelling.

Romance movies are a specific genre in the same way as Westerns, Film Noir, Gangsterland, Action, Sci-Fi, Comedy, Mystery, Superhero, Horror, etcetera.

A romance can have sci-fi elements (the time travelers wife), just as a Sci-fi movie can have horror elements (Alien), or a horror movie can have comedy elements (Cabin in the Woods), or a comedy can have romance elements (The 40 year old Virgin).

Marvel has already begun branching out from the basic elements of the superhero genre (represented in: Batman 1989, Daredevil, X-men) to political thrillers (Winter Soldier), comedy (Deadpool+Deadpool2, Thor: Ragnarok), heist movies (Antman), and from what I understand, soon horror (Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness).

On 8/3/2019 at 2:01 AM, gmcc said:

So it's probably this , but am i the only one that wasn't hyped or excited with this game at all ?

Not at all, I find with FFG they announce a game at GenCon, miss the expected release and take 3-6 months extra and then have some issue or another with Chinese New Year that further delays the game. After a few years I just take the view that it will get here when it does and I can then enjoy it for what it is. All too often I find that a game I would have bought in a heartbeat when it was announced, just goes into the ho-hum who cares box when I see it in person.

For the most part I would like to think I am normal enough, and as such I can't help but think that FFG kills off as many sales as it may on "Hype Exhaustion" because folks just get tired of waiting.

1 hour ago, Amanal said:

Not at all, I find with FFG they announce a game at GenCon, miss the expected release and take 3-6 months extra and then have some issue or another with Chinese New Year that further delays the game. After a few years I just take the view that it will get here when it does and I can then enjoy it for what it is. All too often I find that a game I would have bought in a heartbeat when it was announced, just goes into the ho-hum who cares box when I see it in person.

For the most part I would like to think I am normal enough, and as such I can't help but think that FFG kills off as many sales as it may on "Hype Exhaustion" because folks just get tired of waiting.

This game is out in a week and a half though, so doesn’t really apply?

The last 2 card games FFG have announced at Gen Con (Key Forged last year and Legend of the Five Rings the year before) were also released on time?

6 hours ago, Derrault said:

I’ve always regarded the phrase “superhero fatigue” as a tired dog whistle for: “I don’t actually like superhero stories, and want the people who make movies to make the [insert other genre here] type of movies that I really like”.

ie I perceive romance movie fatigue...and I solve that by not consuming romance story media. Those with this supposed fatigue would be best served to consume the media that actually suits their tastes instead of whining at the people who like the genre.

It's also possible to become fatigued with a genre/IP that you like or love too.

I love SW - but I spent much of my leisure time and gaming energy playing FFG's various SW games and consuming the movies/comics from 2013-present and I'm kinda done with it - not permanently but happy to 'put it down' for a while.

6 hours ago, jonboyjon1990 said:

It's also possible to become fatigued with a genre/IP that you like or love too.

I love SW - but I spent much of my leisure time and gaming energy playing FFG's various SW games and consuming the movies/comics from 2013-present and I'm kinda done with it - not permanently but happy to 'put it down' for a while.

Sure, moderation in all things staves off boredom. I guess I’ve only ever seen people who I know already dislike a thing advance the “fatigue” narrative as a point of rhetoric.

As a result, it’s very difficult to consider it a serious POV, when historically it amounted to nothing more than casting aspersions in order to elevate something the questioner likes instead. (Ie If you are familiar with Slate Reviews, their critic Dana Stevens is all about Documentaries, but has admitted to being unable to stand the superhero genre, and routinely tries to raise the question of “fatigue”, likely because Stevens doesn’t want to review any more of those movies, but has to because they are enjoying primacy in popular culture.)

17 hours ago, Derrault said:

A romance can have sci-fi elements (the time travelers wife), just as a Sci-fi movie can have horror elements (Alien), or a horror movie can have comedy elements (Cabin in the Woods), or a comedy can have romance elements (The 40 year old Virgin).

But Alien is a horror movie with sci-fi elements. Heck, most sci-fi movies out there are "X movies with sci-fi elements." For a movie to be a "sci-fi movie with X elements," it'd have to be focused primarily on the speculative themes (cf THX-1138, District 9, or Blade Runner 2049 ).

21 minutes ago, rsdockery said:

But Alien is a horror movie with sci-fi elements. Heck, most sci-fi movies out there are "X movies with sci-fi elements." For a movie to be a "sci-fi movie with X elements," it'd have to be focused primarily on the speculative themes (cf THX-1138, District 9, or Blade Runner 2049 ).

Which elements you consider primary do depend upon your point of view.

Both Blade Runners are arguably film noirs with detective protagonists up against an unfair system, ala Chinatown.

And both contain as much science fiction (Android society) as Aliens (deep space travel, bio engineered weapons)

edit: To be clear, I consider all of them Sci-Fi.

If you watch either Blade Runner film solely for the film noir elements, and you're not willing to at least entertain the philosophical questions about what it means to be human as our tools become more intelligent, you're going to end up wondering what the **** you've just watched. Those movies need you to grapple with their settings.

Conversely, Alien is just a **** good horror film. The sci-fi elements are in service to the horror (allowing the alien to be grosteque and the setting to be claustrophobic and isolated). If you go into the movie hoping to spark a discussion about the dangers of interstellar mining or the expendability of human life in a world where the decision-makers are literally light-years away, you're not going to find much meat.

Obviously it's not a binary thing: Minority Report is an exploration of a dystopic police state where privacy is so nonexistant that the police use psychics to arrest you for crimes you're going to commit, and it's also a fast-paced detective thriller, and it works equally well no matter how you look at it. It's just that most movies have a particular genre that's more influential than the others. Like, if your favorite movies are The Return of the Jedi and Minority Report , I'd be more likely to recommend Raiders of the Lost Ark than Alien, even though Raiders isn't usually shelved with the others.