32 minutes ago, Tubb said:

I am sorry, got some news about this:

https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/43733/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-spring-2019

And this is in spring 2019

Wow. Legion already doing better than X-wing....

Um, did anyone notice 3PO’s card was revealed in the new RRG (top of page 3)?

I’d post it, but I have no room on this account for any attachments.

50 minutes ago, JediPartisan said:

Um, did anyone notice 3PO’s card was revealed in the new RRG (top of page 3)?

I’d post it, but I have no room on this account for any attachments.

I think someone already posted it on the forums.

It's in the RRG thread already:

2 hours ago, Tubb said:

I am sorry, got some news about this:

https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/43733/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-spring-2019

And this is in spring 2019

And.... X wing had been top on those sales for most of the time since release until recently against a game that had a 30 year head start, so it took games workshop about 4 or 5 years to catch up on a new release. Remember though I did say that GW probably still outsold xwing even during had period anyway as their own shops weren't included in those stats. been

Regardless it shows that FFG know what they are doing when they can outsell an established game for several years. Legion will never be as big as WH40K because GW has similar tactics to MtG (not the sa!e tactics) when it comes to getting people to part with their cash. I could have spent £200 for an army 3-4 months after release and still been as competitive now. How much does a full WH40K army cost again.

My point is that FFG has a proven track record of being able to outsell GW , they will never be able to get tot the point of being able to compete with them because of how long GW has been doing this. We get mostly monthly releases, and I suspect more will be announced. I notice on your schedule of release you missed the two units that were not announced at GC because they were leaked and you also have other units they say will be coming so I think they are still on for monthly releases.

8 hours ago, GreatMazinkaiser said:

#FirstWorldProblems

Jeez, I was using the same Eldar army for ten years without a constant stream of new releases... Surely waiting a bit for more shelf clutter to buy is acceptable.

Indeed. I just painted 3,000 points of OOP, 4th/5th edition Undead. All those old skeleton warriors that actually look like they'd fit inside the human minis. Metal mummies, ghosts, ghouls and zombies. Now Repanse de Lyonesse is riding up and down my painting desk gathering enough 5th edition metal to oppose them. "New"! It is to laugh.

Course it's easy for me to say, now that Hoth rebels are finally going to be a reality.

On 7/31/2019 at 9:47 PM, R3dReVenge said:

$35 for the B2s and Phase 2 clones.

$60s for each tank.

It’s 49.95 for the Clone tank now, and 24.95 for clones/b2s. The AAT is still 59.95 though.

36 minutes ago, Derrault said:

It’s 49.95 for the Clone tank now, and 24.95 for clones/b2s. The AAT is still 59.95 though.

Where aare you seeing that? The website still has them listed at the original posted price

8 hours ago, R3dReVenge said:

Wow. Legion already doing better than X-wing....

Not a surprise, considering how they managed to destroy x-wing XDDDD

5 hours ago, syrath said:

And.... X wing had been top on those sales for most of the time since release until recently against a game that had a 30 year head start, so it took games workshop about 4 or 5 years to catch up on a new release. Remember though I did say that GW probably still outsold xwing even during had period anyway as their own shops weren't included in those stats. been

Regardless it shows that FFG know what they are doing when they can outsell an established game for several years. Legion will never be as big as WH40K because GW has similar tactics to MtG (not the sa!e tactics) when it comes to getting people to part with their cash. I could have spent £200 for an army 3-4 months after release and still been as competitive now. How much does a full WH40K army cost again.

My point is that FFG has a proven track record of being able to outsell GW , they will never be able to get tot the point of being able to compete with them because of how long GW has been doing this. We get mostly monthly releases, and I suspect more will be announced. I notice on your schedule of release you missed the two units that were not announced at GC because they were leaked and you also have other units they say will be coming so I think they are still on for monthly releases.

I do not like that this list continues to include the Wizkids unpainted line of minis, those are not a game. Armada is still probably hanging around in the top 10 for FFG as well.

5 hours ago, syrath said:

How much does a full WH40K army cost again.

How many minis can a 40k army have? I am sorry, but GWu can give you 20 minis for 35€, while FFG is already giving us SEVEN minis for the same Price... and of course still way higher quality.

3 minutes ago, Cusm said:

I do not like that this list continues to include the Wizkids unpainted line of minis, those are not a game. Armada is still probably hanging around in the top 10 for FFG as well.

Wizkids unpainted minis are THE minis for THE role playing game...

On 8/1/2019 at 8:25 AM, Thraug said:

Huh? Go visit the Armada forum and head to a big Armada event and tell me Armada never caught on. Maybe in your area it's not popilar, but in mine, and many places I've visited, it's has a lot of players.

Armada is also getting Clone Wars, so not sure what you mean. Can't agree with anything you posted

Yeah, you don't seem to have gotten what I was saying. Armada's big gap left it in a state where it had two factions with multiple options to chose from in every category. The game may get stale and boring, but there were options. Players buying one faction wouldn't be at an automatic disadvantage playing against anyone else. For TCW factions in Legion, there will be a solid 4 month gap where nothing new will be released, AND they will be expected to hold their own against two complete factions for that entire time. For anyone playing competitive, that means that most of the 6 months prior to the High Command Invitational/Worlds/whatever the big hubub will be, they won't stand a chance. Even when the they start getting units, they'll be hard pressed to get enough games in to justify bringing them.

Now, if Armada were to drop a Clone Wars core set right now, with a Venator vs two Sep Frigates, and then take anther long pause, that'd be a problem, right? The new factions likely wouldn't stand a chance in competitive play, and those "big events" wouldn't be so kind to them. That's the situation TCW factions for Legion are facing right now. As a former Armada player (and someone who still owns a couple fleets and wants the SSD as much as anyone else), I remember the complaints about the delays between Wave 1 and 2 in Armada and that was when both sides were very limited. Legion's delay is far worse than that initial one.

And no, Armada is definitely dead in my area, and everywhere else I've looked. Nobody carries anything locally, and haven't for over a year, and there are maybe one or two people that play locally that I'm aware of. Closest local scene is about 2-3 hours away, and it might have double digit players lists, but I doubt it. If you've got a large and active community, good for you. Happy to see the game is surviving for some people, I've just seen no indication of it.

19 hours ago, Galahax said:

In terms of the Clone Wars release schedule, i hear a lot of existing people with comments that are focusing on themselves. "Gives me time to catch up on painting", "gives my wallet a break" and so on.

So what about the new player? What about the people that are specifically joining Legion and growing our game BECAUSE of Clone Wars? Think about this...That person has been excited now for months waiting to get into the game, experienced table top guy or not. You were told in a past interview that your faction would have an aggressive schedule to catch up to the existing two. You pick up a Core set now, or a month from now (since beginning of September seems to be the new word). Then you come to realize that you wont be seeing ANY new things for your new hobby for FOUR to FIVE MONTHS. That person isn't gonna be pissed? That person isn't gonna feel deflated cause they have nothing to look forward to for almost half a year? Hopefully they weren't thinking about tournament or competitive play, ( I mean its possible but it sure as **** would be a all uphill battle) .

Not for nothing but if I were starting a new game and I was told I would only have 3 units to play with for 4 or 5 months, 1) I'd be pissed, 2) I'd wait to buy anything until I actually had options.

Amen.

13 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

Well, when I think about back when Legion was a brand new game.... I only had 4 things to play with for a while - Vader, stormtroopers, bike, and ATST. I wasn’t able to go back out and buy more of the new minis the moment they came out.

So I guess, that’s not much different than this generation. It didn’t bother me that much then. Maybe it’s the same for these other new players? Take your time escalating up to 800 points?

It may not be what you wanted, but I was ok with gradually getting new into Legion then and I’d be the same way now.

Apples to oranges. People playing the new factions are going to have less units (we won't get our first heavy options until next year) AND we'll be facing complete armies with tons of options. Add to that the problems of new players fighting veteran players, and you've got a bad recipe. I wouldn't be surprised to see a surge in players with the new factions, then a very sharp drop off for several months, and then maybe a slight uptick again as they get new units and decide to give the game a try again.

Imagine the hate many feel about snipers and now the new hotness can not take their own snipers to counter. I do think it is a bad move not to have one of every unit type available at launch since we have 2 complete factions now. They have still not announced Operative or SF for the new factions. I will still buy at launch but it is a little disappointing from a competitive stand point.

11 minutes ago, Cusm said:

Imagine the hate many feel about snipers and now the new hotness can not take their own snipers to counter. I do think it is a bad move not to have one of every unit type available at launch since we have 2 complete factions now. They have still not announced Operative or SF for the new factions. I will still buy at launch but it is a little disappointing from a competitive stand point.

Not only do they not have snipers to counter, but they don't have anything really to counter. The Empire had the AT-ST with its mortar, and the Rebellion had Leia and AT-RTs before snipers were even a thing. TCW factions don't really have anything. Best tactic I can think of now is the droids can just absorb the fire, while the Clones might be able to flank with the BARCs. Both strategies are extremely risky, and heavily terrain dependent.

1 hour ago, thepopemobile100 said:

Where aare you seeing that? The website still has them listed at the original posted price

There was an article just yesterday that officially announced the release for the new models, and linked to their product pages--just saw it myself.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2019/8/1/manufactured-might/

12 hours ago, arnoldrew said:

...Both the first and last part of that sentence are not true. The article lists what is and isn't in hard plastic. Off the top of my head, the two new commanders are both in baggies. Second, it is not "to allow more custom models." I assume you mean head swaps like Sabine, who is not in hard plastic. It's mostly that the Droids really couldn't even be produced in a satisfactory manner with the old stuff, and they might as well make everything in the same material.

It very much sounds like Dooku and Rex will be the last soft plastic models. But yes, the slowly icreasing amount of customization options is a happy side effect, not the apparent reason.

4 hours ago, Tubb said:

How many minis can a 40k army have? I am sorry, but GWu can give you 20 minis for 35€, while FFG is already giving us SEVEN minis for the same Price... and of course still way higher quality.

That was actually a serious question, I don't know how much they cost.

3 hours ago, Alpha17 said:

Not only do they not have snipers to counter, but they don't have anything really to counter. The Empire had the AT-ST with its mortar, and the Rebellion had Leia and AT-RTs before snipers were even a thing. TCW factions don't really have anything. Best tactic I can think of now is the droids can just absorb the fire, while the Clones might be able to flank with the BARCs. Both strategies are extremely risky, and heavily terrain dependent.

Droids can absorb the sniping pretty with there high unit count and droideka's laugh at the minimal damage from snipers due to their shields, but I don't really know a good way for Clones to counter it. It would be nice if some more variety of units coming sooner rather than later though

Got to be honest, my assumption is Clone Wars guys are gonna end up kicking a statistically more significant portion of *** than the naysayers nay-say, if only just for their play book will be wildly different. Maybe not right away because many players will have to unlearn what they have learned, but they aren't helpless. The original core units are often still foundational to their armies.

When you see those B-1s unfold in front of you, you're not thinking about your snipers, you're wondering if you brought enough flamers and squad support weapons.

1 hour ago, UnitOmega said:

Got to be honest, my assumption is Clone Wars guys are gonna end up kicking a statistically more significant portion of *** than the naysayers nay-say, if only just for their play book will be wildly different. Maybe not right away because many players will have to unlearn what they have learned, but they aren't helpless. The original core units are often still foundational to their armies.

When you see those B-1s unfold in front of you, you're not thinking about your snipers, you're wondering if you brought enough flamers and squad support weapons.

Exactly, and Greivous can just wreck units, put hunter on him and he just destroys everything near him

8 hours ago, thepopemobile100 said:

Where aare you seeing that? The website still has them listed at the original posted price

Interesting, maybe it’s regional?

7 minutes ago, Derrault said:

Interesting, maybe it’s regional?

For me the article still says the higher price, but when I follow the link, the website lists them at a lower price on that page. Weird stuff...

Edit: Checked miniature market, which has their retail listed as $35 and is selling for $28, but on FFG's webstore you can put them in your cart for $25.00. The first time I have ever seen FFG direct be cheaper than Miniature Market!

14 hours ago, syrath said:

My point is that FFG has a proven track record of being able to outsell GW , they will never be able to get tot the point of being able to compete with them because of how long GW has been doing this.

They are competing with them. Right now. You don't have to destroy GW or outperform them or even tie with them in sales, to compete with them. Plenty of people compete with GW. The competition has stolen my once large GW annual budget and reduced it to a fraction of its former self. In fact my gaming budget is bigger than ever and GW gets a smaller absolute value from it, even before accounting for inflation and adjusting it as a percentage of what I spend on hobbies. I spend more than ever before. But GW can't compete in the modern marketplace for my money.

Eventually, boredom would get me to buy, say, Electro-priests, from GW. But $50 for five versus $35 for 42 of the competitions historical multi-pose hard plastics... no, just, no. I can't justify it. If that historical company wasn't competing on the shelf with GW models I'd probably let my guard down and buy those electro-priests. But there is indeed competition to GW.

To say nothing of the value of putting that $50 for 5 GW models towards yet another Legion core set!

5 minutes ago, Jedhead said:

For me the article still says the higher price, but when I follow the link, the website lists them at a lower price on that page. Weird stuff...

I just checked and same thing the saber tank was listed as 49.95 instead of 59.95 when trying to pre-order