It looks really cool but I'm in it for playing the game, not the hobby aspect. After seeing all the sprues and all the droid parts, Clone Wars is gonna be a hard pass for me, which makes me really sad because I love the Clone Wars. I just don't have the time or the energy for the work that comes with sprues. The ease of building the miniatures is what drew me to Legion in the first place, the awesome gameplay is why I stick around. I absolutely love the game, it's my favorite and I play at least twice a week.

However, sprues will end up killing it for me, at least in regards to purchasing new units. It seems like everyone is crazy stoked for the move to sprues. Am I the only person that's feeling super overwhelmed by the shift to sprues?

Why don’t you play clones who won’t be on sprues?

Sprues are better for this game for a lot of reasons. The biggest reason imo is that the quality of the miniatures will be better. Working with sprues really isn’t that bad - you will need at most 2 more tools to cut and clean the models. It’s a really good thing for the droids (who will be the first ones affected by this change).

Time is precious for me and I'm also concerned that the extra time it takes to build them will make my queue endless instead of managable.

Thankfully, contrast paints helped reduce my paint times. Only time will tell. I've had a Grievous and some droids in hand and the new plastic is truely awesome.

If you own an xacto knife (or have a nearby supermarket, they usually sell them for like $5) that's all you need for sprues. Tbh the added time to cut out the pieces before gluing is only gonna be like 10min added tops. I've messed with Warhammer models before which seem to have many more parts on the sprues, and I didn't notice a major difference in time puting together a couple of their models vs Legion

I really don't understand the hurry to make things quickly. These kind of games are suposed to be a joy not only when you play with friends, but also when you prepare your army for the next game. It is suposed to be a hobby combined with a game. In the meantime, when you can't play with anyone, you paint, build, choose options, make army lists... and then the GREAT day comes and you play with your beloved and perfectly crafted and painted army.

Why some of you want to take rid of that whole part of the hobby and just go straigh to the gaming part as quickly as possible?? i am sure that you have plenty of time to build a couple of squads... why you choose this game? I simply don't understand why someone aproaches this kind of games without realizing the experience is a whole new thing. You understand this game as if you were playing any other board game. I simply don't understand it.

To explain myself i'll try an example: it is as if I'd make a BBQ and complain that I have to pack the charcoal, preheat for 20 minutes and keep the grill burning, flip the food, prepare salads, check the temperature... and so what I want to achieve is just to EAT. If you just wanted to EAT, you just could have gone to McDonalds.

This. If you buy and play a miniature wargame it is somewhat required to build and even paint, and try to achieve some aesthetic results. if you just want to play, there's a lot of diferent options of games that play as is, just opening the box.

2 minutes ago, Tubb said:

I really don't understand the hurry to make things quickly. These kind of games are suposed to be a joy not only when you play with friends, but also when you prepare your army for the next game. It is suposed to be a hobby combined with a game. In the meantime, when you can't play with anyone, you paint, build, choose options, make army lists... and then the GREAT day comes and you play with your beloved and perfectly crafted and painted army.

Why some of you want to take rid of that whole part of the hobby and just go straigh to the gaming part as quickly as possible?? i am sure that you have plenty of time to build a couple of squads... why you choose this game? I simply don't understand why someone aproaches this kind of games without realizing the experience is a whole new thing. You understand this game as if you were playing any other board game. I simply don't understand it.

To explain myself i'll try an example: it is as if I'd make a BBQ and complain that I have to pack the charcoal, preheat for 20 minutes and keep the grill burning, flip the food, prepare salads, check the temperature... and so what I want to achieve is just to EAT. If you just wanted to EAT, you just could have gone to McDonalds.

This. If you buy and play a miniature wargame it is somewhat required to build and even paint, and try to achieve some aesthetic results. if you just want to play, there's a lot of diferent options of games that play as is, just opening the box.

i'm with you, this is a miniatures game not a board game. Every Miniatures game has figures on sprues, i hate the fact that every one of my unit leaders look the same, and i really with FFG had started with sprues to begin with. IMO if your not into the hobby but are just a board gamer then maybe you should look at TTS.

Incidentally, I find sprues to be significantly easier and quicker to put together than the PVC things from the original core set. I spent lots of frustrating time trimming mold lines, using hot water to unbend things, and getting fiddly arm sockets to fit tightly (or using green stuff for gaps). Assembling the core set minis was one of the most frustrating hobby experiences I've had in years (and I've spent 20 years putting together GW minis).

With sprues, you just clip and glue, and they look great. And they can all look different to boot; no more mono-pose. I think folks will like the sprues once they try them.

Just as importantly, hard plastic sprues are difficult and expensive to produce; which means FFG is investing real capital in the future of Legion, which has me very excited.

I enjoy the hobby part, pre-assembled miniatures (looking at you, ASoIaF) are a nightmare (due to complicating clean-up), and having options for a variety of poses etc. certainly makes an army look better, but I do understand that it's not for everyone - painting services exist for a reason. That said, cutting parts from sprues is really just two to four quick (and IMO very relaxing) extra nips per part compared to how Legion miniature assembly has been hitherto, so I don't get the OP's panic in that regard. Also, no more risk of missing/wrong parts! The real issue seems to be the number of parts each droid is assembled from, but at least for the most part that has nothing to do (inherrently) with them being on sprues. There are a lot of parts to them because of their spindly shapes. And they are on sprues because all the thin sticks droids are made out of would otherwise be warping like crazy.

Lot of gatekeepers in this thread. But, as some actually helpful souls have said I don't think it's actually too much trouble to due-sprue, just a slightly different process.

27 minutes ago, Darth evil said:

i hate the fact that every one of my unit leaders look the same,

Your unit leaders will probably look the same for a long time still.

Just now, UnitOmega said:

Lot of gatekeepers in this thread. But, as some actually helpful souls have said I don't think it's actually too much trouble to due-sprue, just a slightly different process.

Your unit leaders will probably look the same for a long time still.

I don't know, multi-part hard plastic kits make for a lot easier customization possibilities. I could see some very quick, easy and diverse unit leader poses/models showing up.

I think they will eventually go that route, and even without sprues some of the single units have already gotten multiple poses, I haven't seen anything that there's too much variation with the B-1 poses yet, and other armies aren't converting to sprues until an unknown time in the future. I'm not like, against multipose or anything, I just think a lot of people have gotten very over excited that "sprues = multipose generics" which I don't think was ever promised. Just that FFG needed to upgrade to harder plastic to do the B-1s and some other CIS units right, so they did.

2 minutes ago, Orkimedes said:

I don't know, multi-part hard plastic kits make for a lot easier customization possibilities. I could see some very quick, easy and diverse unit leader poses/models showing up.

Really depends on the kit. And I'm sure Legion will get there once they start redoing the non-droid kits (as an incentive to buy them again), whenever that finally ends up being, but not much sooner.

... wow

I mean, I have wanted sprues from day 1. I love giving every miniature their own unique touch of personality... even if a lot of those poses end up oind of cheesy. But I will never understand the attitude that if someone doesn't enjoy a game for the reasons you do, they shouldn't get to enjoy the game at all.

As far as adressing sprues for the non-sprue enthisiast... The B-1 sprues look very manageable. Outting together infantry models from sprues is usually pretty easy once you have the parts (especially after you've put together the first model), and this isn't the sort of game where you have to hunt for one of 7 different types of melee weapon for each unit, so the initial scavenger hunt won't be a problem even if more head and arm poses are added.

I am sure this has already been answered somewhere, but why are the Separatists that only ones getting the sprues? If they are planning on on transition anyways, why not just have both Republic and Separatists forces in sprues?

Just now, Shadowshand said:

I am sure this has already been answered somewhere, but why are the Separatists that only ones getting the sprues? If they are planning on on transition anyways, why not just have both Republic and Separatists forces in sprues?

The thinner limbs of droids make warping a lot worse if they were to do what they have been doing, so they changed it for them out of necessity.

20 minutes ago, Shadowshand said:

I am sure this has already been answered somewhere, but why are the Separatists that only ones getting the sprues? If they are planning on on transition anyways, why not just have both Republic and Separatists forces in sprues?

It is a slow transition; hard plastic sprues are very expensive to produce, so they are piloting it with the droids while they ramp up their infrastructure.

1 hour ago, Squark said:

... wow

I mean, I have wanted sprues from day 1. I love giving every miniature their own unique touch of personality... even if a lot of those poses end up oind of cheesy. But I will never understand the attitude that if someone doesn't enjoy a game for the reasons you do, they shouldn't get to enjoy the game at all.

As far as adressing sprues for the non-sprue enthisiast... The B-1 sprues look very manageable. Outting together infantry models from sprues is usually pretty easy once you have the parts (especially after you've put together the first model), and this isn't the sort of game where you have to hunt for one of 7 different types of melee weapon for each unit, so the initial scavenger hunt won't be a problem even if more head and arm poses are added.

Sprue does not mean multi-pose. The models we've had this entire time were produced on a sprue, it just got cut off and put in a bag before it got to you.

Just now, arnoldrew said:

Sprue does not mean multi-pose. The models we've had this entire time were produced on a sprue, it just got cut off and put in a bag before it got to you.

I am aware. But a lot of the excitement for sprues comes from the hope that future kits will be customizable.

If I understand it. Sprues make extra parts cheaper to provide and/or easier to pack. so sprues make it cheaper to give player optional bits.

Never underestimate what hurdles will get in the way of a player ultimately getting a game to a table, time spent clipping parts is not free.

It's not invalid for sprues to be a thing that makes someone say, "ok this is not for me". but that doesn't mean FFG should not make minis on sprue. I'm guessing the players gained rather then lost for FFG is much better moving to higher quality hard plastic sprue minis. a large hobby skirmish game already requires lots of player effort that extra bit of effort is well worth it for a hobby modeler and may be what kept more hobbiests from investing.

Pre assembled minis like the Deep cuts line from Wiz Kids or CMON games are very popular.

FFG already has Imperial assault for preassembled Star Wars characters and two pre painted spaceship games for Star Wars. going harder on the hobby side for Legion makes perfect sense to me.

3 hours ago, Orkimedes said:

Incidentally, I find sprues to be significantly easier and quicker to put together than the PVC things from the original core set. I spent lots of frustrating time trimming mold lines, using hot water to unbend things, and getting fiddly arm sockets to fit tightly (or using green stuff for gaps). Assembling the core set minis was one of the most frustrating hobby experiences I've had in years (and I've spent 20 years putting together GW minis).

With sprues, you just clip and glue, and they look great. And they can all look different to boot; no more mono-pose. I think folks will like the sprues once they try them.

Just as importantly, hard plastic sprues are difficult and expensive to produce; which means FFG is investing real capital in the future of Legion, which has me very excited.

For me, when I tried to do GW warhammer models years ago I ended up bailing before evening getting a chance to play because the process was so frustrating. I think that's why I kind of freaked out a little bit when I saw all those sprues earlier, it brought me back to failing with those GW models.

But I understand the value in switching to them and I do love FFG's commitment to Legion. I have a friend who kind of said all the same things to me this evening when we were discussing the sprues (and playing Legion!). He's a little more pragmatic than me and thinks I'm overreacting, which I probably am. And, he's gonna let me have a whack at building his droids before buying my own.

I think I just needed to hear more than one person tell me that's it gonna be okay. Thanks everyone!

8 hours ago, King Somnophore said:

It looks really cool but I'm in it for playing the game, not the hobby aspect. After seeing all the sprues and all the droid parts, Clone Wars is gonna be a hard pass for me, which makes me really sad because I love the Clone Wars. I just don't have the time or the energy for the work that comes with sprues. The ease of building the miniatures is what drew me to Legion in the first place, the awesome gameplay is why I stick around. I absolutely love the game, it's my favorite and I play at least twice a week.

However, sprues will end up killing it for me, at least in regards to purchasing new units. It seems like everyone is crazy stoked for the move to sprues. Am I the only person that's feeling super overwhelmed by the shift to sprues?

No, you’re not alone. Still, according to FFG, the Droids were too thinly crafted to mold in the current mix, and they had to go to the hard plastic.

I’m almost certainly buying a pair of those $15-25 plastic sprue clippers, as I’ve absolutely had the hard plastic snap on fragile pieces when trying to remove them (with knives, scissors, or by hand), and I really don’t want to experience a broken droid limb.

Hard plastic sprues are definitely the way to go if FFG wants to compete with the likes of GW, Mantic, Warlord, etc... On the miniature front.

They do add another layer to the hobby side of things, but the potential for more customization and detail is justified.

I can't stress enough how much plastic glue helps compared to superglue. There are generally two types of plastic though, I dont know which one FFG is using, so not all plastic glue may work.

Can't go wrong with a pair of Xurons... Thousands of uses around the house too.

1 hour ago, GreatMazinkaiser said:

Can't go wrong with a pair of Xurons... Thousands of uses around the house too.

This one? Link if not the one please.

https://www.amazon.com/Micro-Mark-Rail-Nipper-Track-Cutter/dp/B06XH5SP7B/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?adgrpid=55486293825&gclid=CjwKCAjwm4rqBRBUEiwAwaWjjB1-HM8FKQl0xB5uZAAifRx1QhgNiH5O7uCGMwsvt4D5RASjgH2TcRoC50oQAvD_BwE&hvadid=274840032147&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=9005472&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8665355435056847613&hvtargid=kwd-493949409512&hydadcr=12194_10197809&keywords=xuron+tools&qid=1564666155&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Wave-Materials-HT389-Fine-Nipper/dp/B014F9PQ6E/ref=mp_s_a_1_fkmr1_1?keywords=wave+materials+side+nipper+for+plastic+gate+cuts&qid=1564668754&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmr1

I suggest a fine pointed single side nipper.

A bit delicate but absolutely amazing in practice.