Arvel, Outmanuever, and Fenn

By AnakinTheGreen, in X-Wing Rules Questions

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Arvel has intimidation and outmaneuver. Fen Rau has bumped him and they are facing towards each other. What happens to Fenn's defense Dice?

Effects:

Fenn Rau:

While you defend or perform an attack, if the attack range is 1, you may roll 1 additional die.

Concordia Face off:

While you defend, if the attack range is 1 and you are in the attacker’s front firing arc, change 1 result to an evade result.

Intimidation:

While an enemy ship at range 0 defends, it rolls 1 fewer defense die.

Outmanuever:

While you perform a front firing arc attack, if you are not in the defender’s firing arc, the defender rolls 1 fewer defense die.

In essence, does Fenn use his abilities and does outmaneuver trigger?

Outmaneuver doesn't, Arvil is in Fenn Rau's firing arc. Fenn Rau's ability doesn't, Base contact is range 0 (Rules Reference page 15). Concordia Face-off doesn't, same reason as Fenn Rau's Pilot ability.

http://infinitearenas.com/xw2rules/index.php?page=range

"Range 0 does not appear on the range ruler, but is used for describing the range of objects that are physically touching.

After a ship partially executes a maneuver, it is at range 0 of the last ship it overlapped.

An object is at range 0 of an obstacle or device if it is physically on top of it.

A ship is at range 0 of another ship if it is physically touching another ship.

If two ships are at range 0 of each other, they remain at range 0 until one of the ships moves in a way that results in their bases no longer being in physical contact.

Although rare, it is possible for a ship to move in such a way that it is at range 0 of another ship (in physical contact with it) without having overlapped it."

Edited by Hiemfire

He would roll 2 defense dice, no Concordia

I'm with both @Hiemfire and @JBFancourt...

  • Attack works because of Arvel's ability.
  • Intimidation works because of Range 0.
  • Outmaneuver doesn't work because Arvel is in Fenn Rau's firing arc (regardless of the fact that Fenn Rau can't shoot at Range 0).
  • Concordia Faceoff doesn't work because attack range is not 1.
  • Fenn Rau's ability doesn't work because attack range is not 1.

Against Arvel's attack, Fenn gets 2 defense dice with no modifiers. Against other ships, such as an Outmaneuvering Luke Skywalker B-Wing at Range 1, from behind, Fenn Rau would get 2 defense dice (agility+ability-intimidation-outmaneuver), with Concordia Faceoff active.

Edited by emeraldbeacon
Luke can't take Outmaneuver
8 hours ago, emeraldbeacon said:

Against other ships, such as an Outmaneuvering Luke Skywalker at Range 1

Super minor nitpick, but of all the pilots you could have picked as an example, that one doesn't work. Luke can't take Outmaneuver. No talent slot.

Make it Thane or someone and I agree with all other points, though.