The above is from Instagram, it seems to be the heavies from a B1 squad. While easy to remove, the sprues seem to have a lot of empty space. Hopefully the regular troops have more efficient layout than the heavies.
I’m a little concerned about the customizing options. It doesn't seem to have much choice for the legs. We will see if we can mix and match the bodies, arms, and legs.
Edited by That Blasted SamophlangeI have to admit the layout is a bit wasteful. But I'm into the sculpts and excited for Legion on sprues. It'll get better.
Well I have changed every rebel trooper after the first squad so having these guys in sprues will help alot.
A sharp knife and some green stuff is gonna be fun. Now I just have to figure out how to paint Them.
Being that they're on Sprues now make sure to wash them in warm soapy water first to get the release agent off them.
8 minutes ago, Sirdrasco said:Being that they're on Sprues now make sure to wash them in warm soapy water first to get the release agent off them.
Err... assuming these are made out of styrene that shouldn't be necessary. I've never had to clean a single one of GW's sprues; resin is another story.
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1 hour ago, GreatMazinkaiser said:Err... assuming these are made out of styrene that shouldn't be necessary. I've never had to clean a single one of GW's sprues; resin is another story.
Agreed. I've assembled hundreds of them.
2 hours ago, AldousSnow said:I have to admit the layout is a bit wasteful. But I'm into the sculpts and excited for Legion on sprues. It'll get better.
There definitely seems to be some experience for sprue layout. Gw has very little wasted space on their new stuff, Battlefront's newer kits are better, but their older ones are pretty weak, Wyrd pretty similar. The pattern seems to be that your first sprues have lots of empty space. Give it a few iterations.
Yeah lot of empty space.....
Looks just like a 40K sprue. I'm totally on board with this change.
4 hours ago, MasterShake2 said:
There definitely seems to be some experience for sprue layout. Gw has very little wasted space on their new stuff, Battlefront's newer kits are better, but their older ones are pretty weak, Wyrd pretty similar. The pattern seems to be that your first sprues have lots of empty space. Give it a few iterations.
Not the case of Para Bellum's Conquest, their first sprues are filled with extras and they got multipart high quality minis, and it is their first project ever. In my opinion it is a matter of wanting to give you more for your money.
Actually this isn’t the first one - you can see some more on the NEO stream. Nice to see the heavy weapons tho.
So it's looking like there will not be extra bits to customize. So while this will be a better plastic it's just more work to build a unit now
Not very efficient at all. But given the colossal amount of waste packaging on their Legion products so far it is to be expected.
Notice the half-moon shaped socket for the legs. I thought these new kits were meant to be more poseable? Not going to have much choice other than to cut and drill a new pin joint.
1 hour ago, Empire On Ice said:Notice the half-moon shaped socket for the legs. I thought these new kits were meant to be more poseable? Not going to have much choice other than to cut and drill a new pin joint.
Did FFG actually said that, or was it just something people assumed, since sprues are often posable?
3 hours ago, Empire On Ice said:Not very efficient at all. But given the colossal amount of waste packaging on their Legion products so far it is to be expected.
Yes, FFG does have a lot of open air in their packaging, but to be fair, there are factors that dictate a larger than technically needed packaging. Visual impact for one . A teeny tiny box will be hard to see. Also, smaller packaging could be easier to steal.
At the very least, I hope the sprues lessen the use of little plastic baggies for everything. The cardboard boxes I just recycle anyway.
2 hours ago, Empire On Ice said:Notice the half-moon shaped socket for the legs. I thought these new kits were meant to be more poseable? Not going to have much choice other than to cut and drill a new pin joint.
As to the legs, I'm not terribly worried yet. If the socket is the same across all the battle droids there will be some customizing. Unless you plan on having your battledroids do the can-can it seems is minor.
The arms it seems, don't seem to have the sockets, so you can likely have more variance with positioning them.
The new kits were meant to have a harder plastic so the scrawny battledroids can have high detail and not be incessantly bent.
Having default poses for the legs make sense with Legion targeting potential customers who have never built a miniature before. With fixed positions, it's easier to build the legs such that they both touch the ground, just use both "A" legs.
Sprues do not innately mean multipose models with tons of spare bits: look at the plastic characters from GW these days, they're as generally as customizable as Legion minis. Additionally, if the sprues were "fuller" I'd expect an increase in package price due to the greater volume of plastic used, and the increased weight for shipping. The profit margins are wide enough to probably eat such a difference, but why bother when you can get the customer to pay? And this is assuming Disney would even allow FFG to produce such a sprue, since they may want to limit the spare bits people have, minimizing Star Wars bits being used for other games.
26 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:Having default poses for the legs make sense with Legion targeting potential customers who have never built a miniature before. With fixed positions, it's easier to build the legs such that they both touch the ground, just use both "A" legs.Teburu
Sprues do not innately mean multipose models with tons of spare bits: look at the plastic characters from GW these days, they're as generally as customizable as Legion minis. Additionally, if the sprues were "fuller" I'd expect an increase in package price due to the greater volume of plastic used, and the increased weight for shipping. The profit margins are wide enough to probably eat such a difference, but why bother when you can get the customer to pay? And this is assuming Disney would even allow FFG to produce such a sprue, since they may want to limit the spare bits people have, minimizing Star Wars bits being used for other games.
fuller sprues could also mean less sprues if they are able to get more B1s one each sprue.
I don't know where people got the idea that everything would be fully poseable with tons of spare bits.
39 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:I don't know where people got the idea that everything would be fully poseable with tons of spare bits.
People hear "sprue" and think "multipose sprue" as opposed to "monopose sprue," likely as the multipose options are (in my experience anyway) a little more common, even if the additional poses are just alternate weapons.
50 minutes ago, jcmonson said:fuller sprues could also mean less sprues if they are able to get more B1s one each sprue.
Fair point. But it may also be more expensive in terms of tooling, or more prone to casting errors. It is possible this is what the sprues normally look like, we just haven't seen them before since FFG had the pieces removed prior to packaging. I haven't seen any of the other sprues though, does the "normal weapon" sprue have a similar number of droids on it? It could be that this one is so empty because it is intended to only have the Heavy Weapons on it.
27 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:Fair point. But it may also be more expensive in terms of tooling, or more prone to casting errors. It is possible this is what the sprues normally look like, we just haven't seen them before since FFG had the pieces removed prior to packaging. I haven't seen any of the other sprues though, does the "normal weapon" sprue have a similar number of droids on it? It could be that this one is so empty because it is intended to only have the Heavy Weapons on it.
i don't know i have only seen the Droidekas spruce on the FFG live intro to the clone wars starter. From the picture it looks like its only the legs that have the rigid pose, the arms and head look more like a ball and socket joint so that could offer some customization.
41 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:People hear "sprue" and think "multipose sprue" as opposed to "monopose sprue ," likely as the multipose options are (in my experience anyway) a little more common, even if the add itional poses are just alternate weapons.
I think a lot of it has to so with the number of releases that are coming with multiple poses - Bossk, Sabine, Grievous.. while we get the pieces in little baggies, they are likely produced on a sprue.
As game mechanics don't facilitate alternate weapons for corps units, having some different pose options (placement of arms) goes a long way.
While people who have been doing games for a while know how to easily modify units, they often forget about those new to the hobby who don't have the skill or knowledge (yet) to modify. Having basic options of placement to create diverse poses helps.
19 minutes ago, jcmonson said:i don't know i have only seen the Droidekas spruce on the FFG live intro to the clone wars starter. From the picture it looks like its only the legs that have the rigid pose, the arms and head look more like a ball and socket joint so that could offer some customization.
Yes, but still less than it seems people envisioned, since so far we haven't seen any "spare" arms allowing for dramatically different angles. Also, those "ball sockets" could have one smooth side. Fairly easy (if a might intimidating at first) to trim off allowing for greater variation of angle.
1 minute ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:I think a lot of it has to so with the number of releases that are coming with multiple poses - Bossk, Sabine, Grievous.. while we get the pieces in little baggies, they are likely produced on a sprue.
As game mechanics don't facilitate alternate weapons for corps units, having some different pose options (placement of arms) goes a long way.
While people who have been doing games for a while know how to easily modify units, they often forget about those new to the hobby who don't have the skill or knowledge (yet) to modify. Having basic options of placement to create diverse poses helps.
What I generally mean by "multi-pose" is sprues with "extra" arms, allowing for greater variation. If the other sprues for the B1 are similar, then there will be "paired" arms, reducing the number of possible combinations of arms and torsos (moreso since the B1 torsos are likely all exactly the same). Even more if the "off" hands are modeled on the weapons. I think the Ectrobinocular arms are the only shown arms that MIGHT be optional.
But we can't really say what customization options (if any) the "normal" sprue will allow for based on the Heavy weapon sprue, which is (likely) intended to just build the two heavy weapons troopers. So far all of the multiple pose models are named characters. As well, we have MORE characters being released that haven't been advertised as having multiple poses: Obi-wan, Jedi Luke and sneaky Vader have no mention of being multipose. It seems multipose will continue to be a rarity in Legion, rather than the standard.
2 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:Yes, FFG does have a lot of open air in their packaging, but to be fair, there are factors that dictate a larger than technically needed packaging. Visual impact for one . A teeny tiny box will be hard to see. Also, smaller packaging could be easier to steal.
At the very least, I hope the sprues lessen the use of little plastic baggies for everything. The cardboard boxes I just recycle anyway.
They are toys, not food, and more importantly in cardboard boxes, so the air doesn't bother me too much.
As for the horrid mountains of plastic baggies so far: While I'm (sadly) sure that most people throw them away, at least they can be of further use for tokens and stuff. (Unlike the rip-open single-use ones by LEGO etc.) The same can't be said of this sprue. Even the old Citadel plastic kits (Cadians, Termagants,...) aren't that wasteful. Well, I guess the sprues of a single B1 box could be enough to make a small building out of, but who does that?