I am looking for a list with lambda plus 2 aces, I looked for some that have already been used but I did not find anything relevant.

I created this as a starting point, but nothing definite, I accepted suggestions!

With Jendon the idea is to help the friends to do a TL without they spend their own actions for it. With Ad V1 the range 2-3 would use the Concussion Missiles to roll 3 dice + FCS. The defender already rolls 3 dice so I would use the FCS on it as well.

Lamda would be a tank to bother using Perceptive copilot for 2 focus to give an extra survival, and distributing JAMs using ISB if possible.

TIE Advanced v1 - •Seventh Sister - 57
•Seventh Sister - Sadistic Interrogator (43)
Fire-Control System (2)
Concussion Missiles (6)
Heightened Perception (3)

TIE/D Defender - •Rexler Brath - 84
•Rexler Brath - Onyx Leader (81)
Fire-Control System (2)

Lambda -class T-4a Shuttle - •Colonel Jendon - 57
•Colonel Jendon - Darth Vader’s Shuttle Pilot (46)
Perceptive Copilot (8)
ISB Slicer (3)

Total: 198/200

I like it. Tricky, a lot rests on Rex to win the game, since 7th Sis and a Lambda aren't gonna do that. But, with coord support from the shuttle and the v1 running strong interference, he should be able to get a lot done.

I'd maybe tune from this though, for these 3 ships.

(81) Rexler Brath [TIE/D Defender]
(4) Heavy Laser Cannon
(6) Collision Detector
Points: 91

(47) Lieutenant Sai [Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle]
(4) ST-321
(4) Director Krennic
Points: 55

(43) Seventh Sister [TIE Advanced v1]
(6) Concussion Missiles
(2) Fire-Control System
Points: 51

Total points: 197

Now Rex can be crazy with a Coord, he can go anywhere. Alternatively, Sai gives him a focus and is double modded himself as a result. Optimise Rex for shield strippage and increase the chances of landing a damage card.

I would quite probably change a few things with game time though. I love Outmanoeuvre on the Defender, white 4k off a Coord boost/roll makes for much pain. Also can't bring myself to run a v1 without Supernatural, even 7th Sis.

This won a System Open earlier this year. I haven’t had as much success as the tournament winner because it takes considerable skill/anticipation to get right. You may not consider Vynder an “Ace” at i4, but because of his ability I consider him one.

Vynder, Vader, Jendon

(41) Major Vynder [Alpha-class Star Wing]
(0) Os-1 Arsenal Loadout
(3) Advanced SLAM
(2) Fire-Control System
(6) Adv. Proton Torpedoes
(13) Proton Torpedoes
Points: 65

(46) Colonel Jendon [Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle]
(11) Emperor Palpatine
Points: 57

(67) Darth Vader [TIE Advanced x1]
(6) Afterburners
(2) Fire-Control System
Points: 75

Total points: 197

My 2 cents:

Brath Wrath

(81) Rexler Brath [TIE/D Defender]
(4) Heavy Laser Cannon
(2) Fire-Control System
(7) Juke
Points: 94

(53) Soontir Fel [TIE Interceptor]
(2) Predator
Points: 55

(47) Lieutenant Sai [Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle]
(4) ST-321
Points: 51

Total points: 200

On 7/13/2019 at 4:24 PM, JBFancourt said:

My 2 cents:

Brath Wrath

(81) Rexler Brath [TIE/D Defender]
(4) Heavy Laser Cannon
(2) Fire-Control System
(7) Juke
Points: 94

(53) Soontir Fel [TIE Interceptor]
(2) Predator
Points: 55

(47) Lieutenant Sai [Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle]
(4) ST-321
Points: 51

Total points: 200

God yes

@JBFancourt @Greebwahn ST-321 does not work on Lambda to do TL, unless you have Krennic to add the slot right?

29 minutes ago, Mostarda2 said:

@JBFancourt @Greebwahn ST-321 does not work on Lambda to do TL, unless you have Krennic to add the slot right?

No, you get the lock with title even though its not in action bar. Its just "acquire lock"

Darth Vader (67)
Passive Sensors (3)
Afterburners (6)

Captain Kagi (48)
Freelance Slicer (3)
Grand Inquisitor (14)
ST-321 (4)

Soontir Fel (53)
Predator (2)
Total: 200

Only one loss with this so far and that was a 5 dice soontir blankout dropping him to half points and making me lose by 19pts.

Had a 6 pt bid pre points change, then loss 3pts from soontir and vader increase, but gained passive sensors on vader, so who needs a bid?

Unless your opponent uses passive sensors, kagi absorbs all locks, leaving your aces free to be aggressive.

Grand inqy crew lets you gets a coordinate action after your opponents highest init ship moves. This mean just move and evade with soontir. Wait until their last ship reveals a dial, then decide to double repo for a block, for focus and repo, etc. Or if Soontir or vader get blocked, then they reveal another dial, coordinate your aces an action.

Kagi gets locks, so slicers makes opposing vaders a 2 dice ship, or vynders hit like a wet noodle.

Passive Sensors is a TOTAL waste on Vader. He has 0 need to delay his action. FCS every day. As for Freelance Slicer...I'd rather shoot

22 minutes ago, Greebwahn said:

Passive Sensors is a TOTAL waste on Vader. He has 0 need to delay his action. FCS every day. As for Freelance Slicer...I'd rather shoot

Its not a waste in a tournament. A friend and I have been testing it for two weeks. He took Vader Dutchess Vermeil to hyper trials this weekend and made top 4. Could have won the tourney if he had one more round in his last game. He played two lists with ridiculous bid like Rac Vader who he 200-0 cause his vader locks and rolls away from enemy vader. Its not used every game, obviously, but in tournaments, it was used twice that day and won both games handily. Way better than just a 3pt bid or fcs with 1pt bid. If your maxing your vader list, passive is a good tourney card.

Again, Slicers is a tournament card and if you play the list above, the longer kagi with inquisitor crew lives, the better your chances of winning. Kagis purpose in this squad is to live and provide better than i6 coordinates. Also, Kagi probably isnt getting arc every round, but inquisitor gives him locks to jam with.

Adv proton torpedo vynder full modded into kagi. Slice his lock he rolled 5 dice. Hit hit focus blank blank spends his focus. Kagi was reinforced, rolls an evade. Takes 1 damage. Lol.

An opposing vader has to attack kagi. Kagi knocks his lock away. Vader rolls two dice. Kagi is reinforced. Vader hits as hard as an awing. And this is all game until Kagi is dead. Ive wiped the floor against vader whisper lists, etc.

9 hours ago, Mostarda2 said:

@JBFancourt @Greebwahn ST-321 does not work on Lambda to do TL, unless you have Krennic to add the slot right?

Title works without having the TL action.

On ‎7‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 4:35 AM, wurms said:

Grand inqy crew lets you gets a coordinate action after your opponents highest init ship moves. This mean just move and evade with soontir. Wait until their last ship reveals a dial, then decide to double repo for a block, for focus and repo, etc. Or if Soontir or vader get blocked, then they reveal another dial, coordinate your aces an action.

I get the advantage of Passive Sensors on Vader, but I guess it does also lock out the potential to use this trick on him.

Passive sensors on Vader will let him take 5-6 actions if you count the autothrusters and want to spend the force. Move 3-speed, Boost, passive sensors, Force - TL. Combat phase proks Passive sensors to Calculate, - Force focus link to red barrel roll. Now you probably will never need to do all of these actions but you literally max his action uses out with passive sensors. It might just be a huge waste of 2 force but at the start of that combat phase you are left with 1 TL, 1 force, 1 focus, 1 calculate, 1 stress, and hopefully a great position for your shot. I think i like this more than FCS for a single reroll.

Okay....but:

• Move 3-speed, Boost, Lock, Force - Focus link to barrel roll

Now you roll at I6 in the activation phase, not I6 in the engagement phase, but that only matters against potential other I6 pilots and "Null".

• You don't have a calculate token but have a second force charge instead.
  • The two are identical in effect but the force charge is persistent if not spent on dice modifiers.
  • There is a potential use if you expect to need a 'spare' green token (to counter Assaj Ventress or Captain Feroph, for example) but that's a rather niche use.
• You can still use your target lock for a 'full reroll' but Fire Control System gives you the option not to if you roll only one blank, saving you an action/force charge next turn.

I am not saying this is exactly what you must do, i am simply pointing out the potential of how you might wield passive sensors on Vader. To give an example of what you could get away with. This just displays to you the opportunities you have with it. Of course you are right, there are lots of combinations of moves you could make!

He is my blatant rip off and hybrid of the two top 16 Empire lists from Gencon:

"Whisper" (57)
Juke (7)
Passive Sensors (3)
Fifth Brother (9)
Stealth Device (6)

Ship total: 82 Half Points: 41 Threshold: 3

Colonel Jendon (46)
Emperor Palpatine (11)

Ship total: 57 Half Points: 29 Threshold: 5

Grand Inquisitor (52)
Sense (5)
Fire-Control System (2)

Ship total: 59 Half Points: 30 Threshold: 2


Total: 198

Passive sensors allows the Phantom to take a target lock and Jendon is worded as "this round" meaning you can still use it during the engagement phase. Palp allows you to use your force offensively and be relatively safe, sense allow you to predict and single out your opponents ships to allow Whisper to pick them off.

Only blaring weakness I see is the extremely low initiative bid, which depending on how much of a problem it becomes, can be overcome by removing FCS. Or maybe replacing Palp with Ree if your piloting gets good.